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#1
I like bands like Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, Killswitch Engage, ect... who are Metalcore, I would like my guitar to, depending on the tuning, sound similar to that. Currently this is my equipment:

Guitar: esp ltd v-200

Pedals: Boss Metal Zone MT-2, BBE AM 64

Amp: Crate RFX 120


So I don't really know how good this setup is, because I never really looked that hard into equipment. But now that I have been playing for a few years I have started to dig a little deeper. I have about a $400-$600 budget for purchasing new stuff. If this is fine already I was thinking about buying a second guitar instead with the money, suggestions on that would be appreciated.


Ok so it looks like I should invest in the Peavey 6505 112 combo? I am actually going to research on the web more because, everyone's judgement on here is clearly clouded by ignorance... and stereotypes.

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I forgot that you have to put your guitar in 6 string bass tuning, and play right next to the bassist so nobody can tell who is doing what, and if you wanna be really -core you have to have your guitar hanging lower than your nads and be doing the splits while you play three power chords repeatedly.

^^^Not possible my nads hang to the floor.

Yeah... I am more than likely going to never use these forums again. Silly me, thinking people on the internet are ever going to be serious. Kthnxbye <3
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#2
A new amp would help you get a "metalcore tone" much more so than a new guitar.

I would look into getting a Peavey 6505 112 combo, you can pick up a new one for $600 and a used one for much less. A lot of metalcore bands use this amp, and it has a great tone for the genre.
#3
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#4
Agreed with the above posters.

Look in the Gear Ads. Someone is selling a 5150 combo. The might do shipping if your close enough.

Where are you located?
#5
I just went through what your doing. The Peavey 6505+ 112 combo is the best choice for metalcore etc. I got mine used from guitar center for $470 and it's in like new condition, but if you go that route just make sure to call an make sure they have it in stock.
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#6
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I just went through what your doing. The Peavey 6505+ 112 combo is the best choice for metalcore etc. I got mine used from guitar center for $470 and it's in like new condition, but if you go that route just make sure to call an make sure they have it in stock.

$470 used? That's pretty high. I wouldn't pay a dime over $400.

And you can get them for $500 new at GC right now, using their "$100 off purchase of $599" October sale.
#7
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$470 used? That's pretty high. I wouldn't pay a dime over $400.

And you can get them for $500 new at GC right now, using their "$100 off purchase of $599" October sale.


Exactly what I was going to say.


TS- what tuning are you using as well?
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#8
The BBE AM64 is awesome. I just had to say it. It's more Marshall than metalcore but it is awesome. I've been thinking about getting a new amp and the more i play with the 64 the more I just want a clean tube amp and keep using the 64. I'm sorry this didn't help the TS but man, I just love that pedal.
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#9
Apparently the metal zone works really well as a boost in front of a distorted amp. So the amp would be set up with all the gain you want, put the EQ of the boss pedal relatively flat and then turn the distortion on the pedal to 0 and the volume to 10. I know it's designed to be a distortion pedal but it does apparently really work as a boost to a distorted amp.
#10
Sell your amp and pedals, get a used Peavey 6505+ 112 combo, a Digitech Bad Monkey and an MXR 10 Band.

Instant metalcore.
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#11
I'd say go for the Peavey tube vypyr 60. i have it, u can get some good metal tones, and the cleans sound great plus theres a bunch of effects. only around $500 plus tax from axemusic.com. check it out. and get a guitar with EMG pickups. oh and sell ur pedals. u don't need em with this amp, it doesnt take pedals very good.
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#12
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Id say go for the Peavey tube vypyr 60. i have it, u can get some good metal tones, and the cleans sound great plus theres a bunch of effects. only around $500 plus tax from axemusic.com. check it out. and get a guitar with EMG pickups.

No need to get a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none when you know what you want, and could get the king of all metalcore amps at the same price point.

I think your choice is clear, TS.
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#13
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No need to get a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none when you know what you want, and could get the king of all metalcore amps at the same price point.

I think your choice is clear, TS.


I was just thinking in the long run that he isn't going to always play only metalcore, most likely hes going to move on to other styles and expand on his influences. so this amp will be better in that way.
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I was just thinking in the long run that he isn't going to always play only metalcore, most likely hes going to move on to other styles and expand on his influences. so this amp will be better in that way.

That's a bold assumption.
#15
Everyone here is right.
But we all know, the first step in playing metalcore is sucking a ton of dick.
#16
Last time I saw Parkway they had 6505's. Sounds like a no brainer to me.
#19
lemme help ya here
gain:10
bass:10
middle:0
treble/high:10
true story.
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#20
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bass:10
middle:0
treble/high:10
true story.

No mids? WTF?
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#22
10-0-10. Instant metal!
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#23
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Apparently the metal zone works really well as a boost in front of a distorted amp. So the amp would be set up with all the gain you want, put the EQ of the boss pedal relatively flat and then turn the distortion on the pedal to 0 and the volume to 10. I know it's designed to be a distortion pedal but it does apparently really work as a boost to a distorted amp.


No, the Metal Zone does not work that way. It sounds pretty terrible as a boost, in fact. (Even more terrible than it does when used as intended.)
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#24
^^Metalcore as a genre actually has a decent amount of mids, I don't know what you guys are listening to. (You're probably just joking though).

And yes, the 6505 is pretty much the king of metalcore amps. It's a very middy amp, even if you scoop them.


Anyway, that amp would be perfect for TS. But also, I need to weigh in here -- it's not just a metalcore amp. It's highly versatile as a general metal amp. I don't play metalcore at all and I'm VERY happy with mine. Plenty of other bands use them for death metal, thrash, black metal etc. A blues amp it is not, however...
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#25
There is a country guitarist I have seen that uses a 5150II and he sounds amazing

and yes no mids = muddy undefined crap, so stick that in your pipe.....
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#26
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$470 used? That's pretty high. I wouldn't pay a dime over $400.

And you can get them for $500 new at GC right now, using their "$100 off purchase of $599" October sale.


Well the amp was $379.99 then I bought a warrenty which was $49.99 and shipping was $30-$35. I wish I would have know they had that offer before hand I would have biought a brand new one.
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#27
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Well the amp was $379.99 then I bought a warrenty which was $49.99 and shipping was $30-$35. I wish I would have know they had that offer before hand I would have biought a brand new one.



You could've bought a 5150 combo man.


If you bought it within the last 30 days (I'm assuming you did) I think you can return it for a full refund.
Guitar center has a 30 satisfaction policy, if I remember correctly.
#28
As mentioned before; Peavey 6505+ 112 combo, a tubescreamer of some kind and a guitar with teh EeehEmmmJeeezzz (EMGs) in them is pretty much the typical rig for metalcore tone.
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#29
Well in actual fact, Parkway record with primarily Framus Cobra's. That said, a 5150/6505, a guitar with an EMG 81 and a OD will get you pretty darn close. The Framus' tone is not THAT different from the Peavey's, just jack up the mids with a nice helping of bass.
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#30
Engl e530 can be had for 600. Does your Crate have an FX loop
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#31
I forgot that you have to put your guitar in 6 string bass tuning, and play right next to the bassist so nobody can tell who is doing what, and if you wanna be really -core you have to have your guitar hanging lower than your nads and be doing the splits while you play three power chords repeatedly.
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#32
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I was just thinking in the long run that he isn't going to always play only metalcore, most likely hes going to move on to other styles and expand on his influences. so this amp will be better in that way.


Well I don't only play metalcore, I have been playing for around 5 years now and I play just about everything else. It is just my favorite because... I think it's the most challenging I suppose.
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Well I don't only play metalcore, I have been playing for around 5 years now and I play just about everything else. It is just my favorite because... I think it's the most challenging I suppose.


If you can't afford a 5150 or 6505, definitely keep an eye out for a Peavey Ultra or Ultra Plus. I actually prefer them to the 5150 or 6505. It still has that crunchy, buzzsaw-like 5150 high gain sound, but it also has an AWESOME clean and reverb, and an AWESOME crunch channel.
#34
^ well compared to the 6505 I suppose they do, but they aren't what I'd describe as awesome.

If you don't only play metalcore, you should definitely look out for a 5150 combo. they are more versatile in my opinion and I like the crunchy, thrashy tone of the 5150 over the all out metal of the 6505.

Please disregard the joke posts, some people just like to be popular and don't realize they're making asses of themselves. (no offense to anyone...but you should feel bad).

many people on this site are genuinely helpful.
#35
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^ well compared to the 6505 I suppose they do, but they aren't what I'd describe as awesome.

If you don't only play metalcore, you should definitely look out for a 5150 combo. they are more versatile in my opinion and I like the crunchy, thrashy tone of the 5150 over the all out metal of the 6505.

Please disregard the joke posts, some people just like to be popular and don't realize they're making asses of themselves. (no offense to anyone...but you should feel bad).

many people on this site are genuinely helpful.

Thanks, I kind of figured they are just messing around but I just don't like how so many people bash on Metalcore and I don't even know why. I have asked my parents generation and they say it's because they don't even consider it to be metal and that it's for pussies, which I don't understand because it is usually heavier than what they listen to. I mean I won't full out quit the forums just because of people on the internet, it's just annoying.
#36
it's the image and attitude of the fans that are so closely tied to the genre, or at least a small number of people with that inclination causing others to jump on the bandwagon. I couldn't care less, to each his own
#37
I just like to give ya'll -core folks a hard time. I honestly think some of it is ok just as with every genre. I go to some local shows that often feature -core bands in support of some friends who are in them and some of the bands are really good, some are not so much. Though I still can't understand whats so wrong with Standard tuning, why is so much core music in drop C and such tunings?
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#38
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I just like to give ya'll -core folks a hard time. I honestly think some of it is ok just as with every genre. I go to some local shows that often feature -core bands in support of some friends who are in them and some of the bands are really good, some are not so much. Though I still can't understand whats so wrong with Standard tuning, why is so much core music in drop C and such tunings?


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#39
lots of prog is in c standard, mastodon for example. Standard just doesn't do it for ya sometimes. Drop C# is my favorite tuning and I don't play -core. I play blues and grunge and prog and it just sounds heavy and awesome.

of course I am a bassist at heart, so that may have something to do with it.

seriously though if everything was in standard or even Eb standard, I would be bored to tears. it is the spice of life as mentioned above.

back on track. TS can you try these amps?
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Variety. Its the spice of life.

Its not really variety if every single other band in the genre also does it. Isn't C standard only like 4 semitones down regardless?
I would enjoy core music far more if it was less rhythm driven and more content driven, maybe a guitar solo as opposed to a "breakdown". Though I really like some of the ambient synth that you hear in this sort of music, and the guitar doesn't gnaw at me too much. What really gets me is the screaming, I would enjoy it far more if it didn't hurt my ears to the extent that it does, and this is coming from the guy who used to play with the treble and gain dimed with a shrill distortion in front of that. Though I do appreciate the talents associated with the genre, the "breakdowns" do require talent with strumming patterns, unless I've been doing it all wrong and the screaming is actually not too much for me if it is done right.

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lots of prog is in c standard, mastodon for example. Standard just doesn't do it for ya sometimes. Drop C# is my favorite tuning and I don't play -core. I play blues and grunge and prog and it just sounds heavy and awesome.

of course I am a bassist at heart, so that may have something to do with it.
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This here I understand whole-heartedly, I leave my acoustic in B standard because I want to start bass playing, but I still am yet to buy my first tube amp that I am lusting after, so I continue to wait.
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