mardisaaron
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I've got this rhythm and I need a simpler way to write it out, and what time signature it should be in...I'm stumped...

Q=Quarter note
E=Eighth Note
3=Triplet

I've got it in 3/4 but I know that's not right...it's at 100bpm.

Q Q E Q Q E
3 3 3 3

If need be I can upload a guitar pro file.

Thanks in advance,
Aaron
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...this is why we have music notation. i have no idea what you're getting at.

instead of posting up a guitar pro file, post up a screenshot instead. i (and others who don't use guitar pro) can help you better that way.
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and you know for a fact that you have it in 3/4? it's equally important for me to hear how you want it to sound.

because if that sounds as you want it to sound, that's the simplest way you can write it.

i'm also not sure where you're trying to fit the triplets in. is there any way you can record the small snippet you need to notate and post it up? i can give you the rhythm definitively that way.
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Quote by AeolianWolf
and you know for a fact that you have it in 3/4? it's equally important for me to hear how you want it to sound.

because if that sounds as you want it to sound, that's the simplest way you can write it.

i'm also not sure where you're trying to fit the triplets in. is there any way you can record the small snippet you need to notate and post it up? i can give you the rhythm definitively that way.



Yes, give me about five mins, and I'll attach a midi. extension.
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Ok, here is a midi file. It's short and quick right at the beginning. What I have in the recording is in 4/4 at 100bpm, but it is an incomplete measure. I need a rhythm that sounds like this, and is (for lack of better word) properly notated.
Thanks for your help man.
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song 1.mid
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its not identical, but its the only way to avoid having four thirds.

dotted quaver = DQ
quaver = Q

DQ,DQ,Q,DQ,DQ,Q.

or

1..1..1.1..1..1.

This should fit nicely into a 4/4 bar

--edit--

try saying it like bom cha cha bom cha cha bom cha X2
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#8
Those huge breaks of no sound, are those the right length for what you wanting it to sound like?
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Quote by jonathan.keeler
its not identical, but its the only way to avoid having four thirds.

dotted quaver = DQ
quaver = Q

DQ,DQ,Q,DQ,DQ,Q.

or

1..1..1.1..1..1.

This should fit nicely into a 4/4 bar


Well, it doesn't have to be in 4/4. It just sounds the way I want it to in 4/4 but the measure is incomplete...
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this is how i would notate it. it'll sound exactly the way you want it to like this.
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figured it out to go into 11/8
just trying to get a photo now, its basically two crotchets followed by a dotted quaver played twice.
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this is how i would notate it. it'll sound exactly the way you want it to like this.


Thanks man, I really appreciate it!
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this is how i would notate it. it'll sound exactly the way you want it to like this.


its not identical. if you take the original and expand it by taking out the triplet part on the crotchets and dotting the crotchets (adding a half to each note length), then you get a simple to notate rhythm in 11/8

thread/
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Thanks man, I really appreciate it!


no problem! keep in mind one thing, though - this isn't about notating things in a simpler way. the rhythm i've given sounds completely different from the rhythm you've given.

don't think of it as finding simpler ways to notate something - think of it as finding the correct way to notate something.

EDIT:

Quote by jonathan.keeler
its not identical. if you take the original and expand it by taking out the triplet part on the crotchets and dotting the crotchets (adding a half to each note length), then you get a simple to notate rhythm in 11/8

thread/


of course it's not identical - the notation you've given isn't correct, and the notation i gave is, so how could they be identical?

the sound he's given is not in 11/8 (and i highly doubt you've ever had experience playing in 11/8, because people like you like to throw around fancy names and numbers to make yourselves seem knowledgeable, when you have no idea what the hell you're talking about). if you really don't believe me, pop open a program and throw your notation into it, and then compare it to the sound TS gave. you can come back and argue with me only after you've done that.

don't </thread> someone with more experience than you. not only do i take it as an insult, but you're left with incorrect and insufficient knowledge on the topic. i'm not going to get upset about it - just giving you some advice that will benefit you.
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Joseph...I take issue with the way that's written. You can't see the metric divisions...

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Joseph...I take issue with the way that's written. You can't see the metric divisions...


metric divisions shmetric divisions. do you want me to handwrite it and post a picture up?

i think if i was handwriting it i wouldn't beam anything together, but that's about the only change i'd make.
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Metric division is extremely important because it helps the reader clearly delineate where in relations to the beat he's on. The dotted 8th in the middle obscures that, making reading almost impossible.


Based on the rhythmic value you provided, here's how it should be written:




This is a common rhythmic figure in Latin jazz music, and they are always written this way.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Metric division is extremely important because it helps the reader clearly delineate where in relations to the beat he's on. The dotted 8th in the middle obscures that, making reading almost impossible.


Based on the rhythmic value you provided, here's how it should be written:




This is a common rhythmic figure in Latin jazz music, and they are always written this way.


i've seen it written that way countless times, but i've always thought it best to leave everything unbeamed -- oh, man, i think i'm becoming a vocalist

you've got a point - i'll keep that in mind. thanks XX!
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...modes and scales are still useless.


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of course it's not identical - the notation you've given isn't correct, and the notation i gave is, so how could they be identical?

the sound he's given is not in 11/8 (and i highly doubt you've ever had experience playing in 11/8, because people like you like to throw around fancy names and numbers to make yourselves seem knowledgeable, when you have no idea what the hell you're talking about). if you really don't believe me, pop open a program and throw your notation into it, and then compare it to the sound TS gave. you can come back and argue with me only after you've done that.

don't </thread> someone with more experience than you. not only do i take it as an insult, but you're left with incorrect and insufficient knowledge on the topic. i'm not going to get upset about it - just giving you some advice that will benefit you.


well i was pretty offended by that. All i was trying to do was to help someone. i gave my suggestion of increasing the note length be 50% and getting rid of the triplet problem that meant he could not complete a bar (i effectively put it into compound time). and then you came in all insults flying left right and center. when i said identical, i did not mean the notation, i meant the sound coming when you played it. you just started guessing things about me; I have played in 11/8, i figured this out on software and i gave a </thread> because i was damn sure that i had it sussed. to be fair, it is not an easy rhythm and i am not sure that TS had it right (he was probably going for what you said), but i answered the question of how to write the rhythm GIVEN easily. i don't want to get into any pointless flame wars over the internet so i will not reply unless you say something too stupid.
sorry for the wall of text, buthurtedness happened.
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well i was pretty offended by that. All i was trying to do was to help someone. i gave my suggestion of increasing the note length be 50% and getting rid of the triplet problem that meant he could not complete a bar (i effectively put it into compound time). and then you came in all insults flying left right and center. when i said identical, i did not mean the notation, i meant the sound coming when you played it. you just started guessing things about me; I have played in 11/8, i figured this out on software and i gave a </thread> because i was damn sure that i had it sussed. to be fair, it is not an easy rhythm and i am not sure that TS had it right (he was probably going for what you said), but i answered the question of how to write the rhythm GIVEN easily. i don't want to get into any pointless flame wars over the internet so i will not reply unless you say something too stupid.
sorry for the wall of text, buthurtedness happened.


...to be fair, it's an extremely common rhythm (so common that i've heard it a million times but never considered the proper way to notate it), and regardless of how sure you were, you were incorrect.

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yeah, TS, if you ever make your way back to this thread, this is definitely the best and clearest way to notate it. i hadn't considered metric division when i gave you my example earlier. it sounds the same, but to give it to a performer, this version is definitely better.
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...to be fair, it's an extremely common rhythm (so common that i've heard it a million times but never considered the proper way to notate it), and regardless of how sure you were, you were incorrect.


yeah, TS, if you ever make your way back to this thread, this is definitely the best and clearest way to notate it. i hadn't considered metric division when i gave you my example earlier. it sounds the same, but to give it to a performer, this version is definitely better.


Oh, ok! Yes, I see what you guys mean about being easier to count. Thanks for your guy's help!
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