Flevi
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#1
Hello, my apologies if this is in the wrong section. Any way I have been playing guitar for a little over a month now, and ive been wondering if I should keep playing. For the first 2 weeks I had been playing about 4-5 hours a day and now I just kind of play up and down scales and try memorizing some stuff. Also I find chord changes to be rather difficult and I haven't made much progress on them.

Btw I don't want to get famous or whatever, I just play because it gives me something fun to do where I can have fun instead of doing my homework...
rickyj
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#2
If you want to play guitar, do it!

Only you can decide what you want to do. My advice would be to not let a lack of improvement dishearten you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atGBKuCJ-Jc


Ignore the part where he said he ignores his weaknesses, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean "he isn't good at a guitar technique so he doesn't practice doing it", i think he meant more along the lines of "I'm bad at [insert random life event] so I'll just practice something i enjoy".
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#3
A month is really not that long.

It may seem like you're getting nowhere but trust me, after hours upon days upon months upon years of practicing even just 30 minutes a day you'll progress. Even if you don't notice it, others will.
AeolianWolf
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#4
if you need to ask us for validation, i think you know the answer.

even so, i'd advise you ignore that fact and keep playing anyway. if you're not making progress, it just means you're not doing things the right way. focus more on what you're doing. and don't worry about running up and down scales - that's not going to get you very far. focus more on training your ear with basic exercises like playing simple melodies by ear, and start learning theory and the basics of reading music. and start learning some more songs. you need the experience. frankly put, you've been playing guitar for a month, and that's nothing. it's like expecting to be fluent in a language in a month. simply not possible.

it doesn't matter whether you want to get famous or not - it matters more whether you prefer to be truly good at whatever you do.

some people say stupid things like "he was born to play guitar" or "she was meant for this", and that's complete and utter bullshit. anybody can learn to do anything. the only thing that separates the successful from the unsuccessful is their approach.
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#5
Quote by AeolianWolf
if you need to ask us for validation, i think you know the answer.

even so, i'd advise you ignore that fact and keep playing anyway. if you're not making progress, it just means you're not doing things the right way. focus more on what you're doing. and don't worry about running up and down scales - that's not going to get you very far. focus more on training your ear with basic exercises like playing simple melodies by ear, and start learning theory and the basics of reading music. and start learning some more songs. you need the experience. frankly put, you've been playing guitar for a month, and that's nothing. it's like expecting to be fluent in a language in a month. simply not possible.

it doesn't matter whether you want to get famous or not - it matters more whether you prefer to be truly good at whatever you do.

some people say stupid things like "he was born to play guitar" or "she was meant for this", and that's complete and utter bullshit. anybody can learn to do anything. the only thing that separates the successful from the unsuccessful is their approach.

It's not bullshit. Some people have a nack for playing music. Just like others are naturally big and strong. I've seen people that were honestly a lost cause when it came to playing any instrument. No natural sense of timing, no musical ear. Ofcourse they could train themselves and learn to do it. It would just be alot more difficult for them.
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#7
^^^ Those Steve Vai vids are yuk.

Anyways most people will quit learning a new task within the first 3 months. Guitar is no different and for this reason there is a large amount of guitars that do nothing but sit in the corner of the bedroom.

If you commit and conquer this 3 month hurdle it "should" be smooth sailing from there. Otherwise you're just a statistic.

Some ways to help:
- Get a teacher.
- Learn full songs
- Learn chords

Considering I personally didn't learn any scales or solos until a year after I started playing, I'm consistently astounded that so many people start with them, and cannot play any songs after 1 year but have ridiculous speed on their mechanical exercises. A pretty boring/useless result to me.
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
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#8
Quote by AlanHB
^^^ Those Steve Vai vids are yuk.

Anyways most people will quit learning a new task within the first 3 months. Guitar is no different and for this reason there is a large amount of guitars that do nothing but sit in the corner of the bedroom.

If you commit and conquer this 3 month hurdle it "should" be smooth sailing from there. Otherwise you're just a statistic.

Some ways to help:
- Get a teacher.
- Learn full songs
- Learn chords

Considering I personally didn't learn any scales or solos until a year after I started playing, I'm consistently astounded that so many people start with them, and cannot play any songs after 1 year but have ridiculous speed on their mechanical exercises. A pretty boring/useless result to me.

Agreed. I just had fun feeling out the guitar for my first year. I was embarrassed to plug it in lol.

But by the time I really started learning theory, I was already really comfortable holding and playing the guitar. Comfortable with basic chords and such
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#9
If you need any hope at all, the first month I started playing guitar I gave up cause I felt like it was too much for me to learn. Now I've been playing 4 years now and very happy with myself being able to do the stuff I can do now! (Trying not to sound like a jackass).
Learning may be the difficult part but after a good few years, you will never regret it.
I never regretted it!
I'm also self taught (:
AeolianWolf
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#10
Quote by Peaceful Rocker
It's not bullshit. Some people have a nack for playing music. Just like others are naturally big and strong. I've seen people that were honestly a lost cause when it came to playing any instrument. No natural sense of timing, no musical ear. Ofcourse they could train themselves and learn to do it. It would just be alot more difficult for them.


of course some people will have more difficulty. but they can do it. the people who talk about who are "lost causes" simply didn't put in the practice. how do i know? i've had students just like that. if i say "do A and you'll get B", it's because doing A works, and will get them the result (B). the difference is not in the person themselves, but in the way they think. some people, even those at a disadvantage, will still do what i've advised them to do, and they're the ones that get results. other people will tell themselves that it isn't for them, or otherwise come up with some other reason (or just won't do it, plain and simple). when i said "the only difference between the successful and the unsuccessful is their approach", i meant it.

it's key to remember that timing and an ear are not "natural". you aren't born with them. you learn them at some point. people who become skilled musicians usually learn them earlier - so early, in fact, that they're perceived to be natural, because very few people remember actively learning them. unless, of course, you can prove to me that humans are somehow born already possessing knowledge and/or skills. it's the exact same deal with perfect pitch. it's a learned skill, but not everyone goes through the process required to learning it (often because we have no idea what it is around the crucial time that it needs to be learned).

if you want to take that kind of defeatist attitude, go ahead, but don't poison TS with it. attitude is everything in life, and it's the number one determining factor in whatever results you do (or don't) achieve. positive attitude? positive results. negative attitude? negative results. if you really think it's bullshit, i invite you to prove me wrong -- show me somebody who can't get results even though they're doing (and have done) everything correctly.
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Quote by AeolianWolf
of course some people will have more difficulty. but they can do it. the people who talk about who are "lost causes" simply didn't put in the practice. how do i know? i've had students just like that. if i say "do A and you'll get B", it's because doing A works, and will get them the result (B). the difference is not in the person themselves, but in the way they think. some people, even those at a disadvantage, will still do what i've advised them to do, and they're the ones that get results. other people will tell themselves that it isn't for them, or otherwise come up with some other reason (or just won't do it, plain and simple). when i said "the only difference between the successful and the unsuccessful is their approach", i meant it.

it's key to remember that timing and an ear are not "natural". you aren't born with them. you learn them at some point. people who become skilled musicians usually learn them earlier - so early, in fact, that they're perceived to be natural, because very few people remember actively learning them. unless, of course, you can prove to me that humans are somehow born already possessing knowledge and/or skills. it's the exact same deal with perfect pitch. it's a learned skill, but not everyone goes through the process required to learning it (often because we have no idea what it is around the crucial time that it needs to be learned).

if you want to take that kind of defeatist attitude, go ahead, but don't poison TS with it. attitude is everything in life, and it's the number one determining factor in whatever results you do (or don't) achieve. positive attitude? positive results. negative attitude? negative results. if you really think it's bullshit, i invite you to prove me wrong -- show me somebody who can't get results even though they're doing (and have done) everything correctly.

Good luck teaching music theory to someone with a below average IQ. Everyone's different..

But, I agree with you. Almost everything you said.

I don't think TS should just give up, especially after a month. But the way you completely negate talent, as if it doesn't exist at all.. gets under my skin.
arabmetallion
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#12
scales? just play all the songs you've always wanted to play with tabs, start out with easy stuff or just some simple riffs. from a casual's perspective it's all about having fun, you'll get better over time but you'l need as much motivation as you can when you start off. when you're used to the instrument (i.e your fingers don't ache anymore, know how to bend, know a few chords) then you start learning theory/scales etc.
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AeolianWolf
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#13
Quote by Peaceful Rocker
Good luck teaching music theory to someone with a below average IQ. Everyone's different..

But, I agree with you. Almost everything you said.

I don't think TS should just give up, especially after a month. But the way you completely negate talent, as if it doesn't exist at all.. gets under my skin.


i wouldn't say i negate talent...it's something i, my colleagues, and many on this forum possess.

it's the lack of ability i negate. or, rather, to clarify, it's the lack of ability as an excuse to give up on something i negate.
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Flevi
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#14
Alright wow, explosion here. So I should play for 3 months then decide if I should go farther in my skill development? I think it may be possible I'm just in a rut this week, how often do you guys have ond of those times where you just want to play around with some riffs you know already know instead of practicing or learning new ones?
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Quote by Flevi
Alright wow, explosion here. So I should play for 3 months then decide if I should go farther in my skill development? I think it may be possible I'm just in a rut this week, how often do you guys have ond of those times where you just want to play around with some riffs you know already know instead of practicing or learning new ones?


no. don't give yourself a time frame, just do it. if you're going to put those "go big or go home" time limits you're going to end up with very little skill -- not just in music, but in life.

there's also a pretty big clue as to why you're not improving - you're not learning new material. you're staying in your comfort zone. doing that is the one surefire way to never improve. if you don't venture out into something new, you'll never get better.
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#16
At 3 months in of playing, I still found it very difficult to play for long lengths of time. Chords were really hard to put together and my strumming was non-existent.

Patience is key. The biggest difference to the way I learn now to back then is how I take my time.

It is very easy to get frustrated and its hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The journey can be tedious but you slowly get to the end.

I am constantly going over stuff I learnt as a beginner. My brother (who I sometimes teach) finds it very annoying, he thinks that there is no point playing things over (which is why he can't progress because he gets bored easy and frustrated too much when he can't play something after 10 minutes)

It would be interesting to know what techniques you use to progress your playing too...
Flevi
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#17
I generally just play something bit by bit then play some bits together untill I remember all of the song or just the part I want to learn, I don't accually know any entire "real" songs I do know quite a few chords scales and jingles like the Mario theme Indiana jones and the pink panther and stuff like that also I share aoleonwolf's sense of straightforward no bullshiz approach
My apologies if I offend
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AeolianWolf
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Quote by Flevi
I generally just play something bit by bit then play some bits together untill I remember all of the song or just the part I want to learn, I don't accually know any entire "real" songs I do know quite a few chords scales and jingles like the Mario theme Indiana jones and the pink panther and stuff like that also I share aoleonwolf's sense of straightforward no bullshiz approach


underline: make that mess happen. learn some simple songs, head to toe. rock is usually good for this. try to find songs without solos for the time being. if you find a song with a solo that you like, just focus on the rhythm.

bold: then you'll do fine! if you take that approach and act upon it, you'll get good results!

Quote by Flevi
I don't accually know any entire "real songs"


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Nero Galon
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#19
Pretty much the same as me...

I can speak for many and say that going over and over WILL make you better at them naturally.

While learning a lot of new things is good and all, don't try to learn too much all at once, especially after just 3 months. If you're struggling to remember new things then chances are you need to focus on one or couple more and leave the rest till a little later.

The truth is, only you can decide. I LOVE playing and much like Steve Vai said in his video, I do picture myself performing sometimes. I didn't always feel like that though.

There are no real restrictions when it comes to playing. And if there are a some then they can be worked around. If you're not getting anything satisfying from playing then fair enough, maybe playing the guitar isn't for you, but if its because of the difficulties then keep at it because to me, nothing is more satisfying than looking back at how I couldn't do something to the present where I can.
Flevi
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#20
Thank you all for the comments Im going to learn me some nirvana songs now then.

I guess I really should learn guitar!
(hope that was cheesy enough)

And to Nero I too incision myself "performing" but usually I'm playing on the street in my daydreams, I think being a street musician would be a cool thing to do for a time
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Atta-BOI! (Hope that was also cheesy enough :P)

And performing anywhere in general is cool. Its a big step playing outside of your comfort zone.

Nirvana's songs are great for learning, I recommend About a Girl, the rhythm is fun to play and the solo is great for beginners.
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#22
Yeah... being a month into playing or a few months or whatever it is..... dont be too hard on yourself.... get some chord song books with stuff you like in them... and learn some tabs... just have fun for now mate... thats what its all about...the rest will sort itself out later....
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#23
Before reading: Yes, you should play guitar.

After reading: Yes, you should play guitar.
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CarsonStevens
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#24
I just wanna add something that no one else has really touched on, despite everyone giving good advice, as usual.

To quote the Frantics;

"Ti Kwan Leep is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon."

You will never stop learning guitar. You will always be improving. There will never be a point at which you can say "I'm done. I've learned everything there is to learn."

If that's what's annoying you, then you have a problem. If you're looking at "playing guitar" as something you need to slog through until you "win", you're doing it wrong.
Flevi
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#25
I've accually thought about "learning" guitar in that sense and I think learn isn't an accurate word for it because like you said you cant really win "I just won guitar" lol however I don't have a problem with there not being an end to guitar. The reason I started playing guitar was because my room at home felt really empty since I stopped doing my homework so the sounds I make fill up that space
My apologies if I offend
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#26
Something I didn't see anyone mention ( just did a quick read) is that the learning curve for guitar is really frustrating when starting out. While you can't control you fingers anything seems like a struggle, because there is a lot of things happening at once and it demands fine motor coordination, but once you get past that wall things improve exponentially.

When you can play what you want without having to really think about it, playing will be much more rewarding. I used to wonder if playing guitar would be effortless for me someday, I had a really hard time feeling comfortable with the instrument, but now I'm very happy to be where I'm at.

If you have a passion for music, you just have to stick with it, it will be a lot more fun in the future.
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#27
Nope. No one should ever play guitar. Guitar is bad for you.
Flevi
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Well I probably shouldn't be this interested in the approval of strangers on the Internet but a large part of my problem I believe is that I have a lot of "talent" for more classical art, drawing, painting and the like. Everyone says and expects me to be an artist but idk if I want to. The biggest advocate of me becoming a full time artist is my mom, it took her most of her life to figure out she was meant to be an artist and she doesn't want me to make the same mistake so she urges me to drop the guitar, by saying music isn't for me and such. I also think there are worse ways to use my time than playing guitar. I don't want to sound like an attention ***** or anything I'm just looking for some feedback yo
My apologies if I offend
arabmetallion
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#30
Quote by Flevi
Well I probably shouldn't be this interested in the approval of strangers on the Internet but a large part of my problem I believe is that I have a lot of "talent" for more classical art, drawing, painting and the like. Everyone says and expects me to be an artist but idk if I want to. The biggest advocate of me becoming a full time artist is my mom, it took her most of her life to figure out she was meant to be an artist and she doesn't want me to make the same mistake so she urges me to drop the guitar, by saying music isn't for me and such. I also think there are worse ways to use my time than playing guitar. I don't want to sound like an attention ***** or anything I'm just looking for some feedback yo


it's tough to make a living off art or music [music is an art but you know what I mean], so if you aren't really sure about which career path you want you probably shouldn't go for either of these choices untill you know for sure because you need to be very committed and even then it's still tough to get the recognition you want.
With academic career choices you at-least know you'll make a decent living
and that people will hire you if you are committed, it's much less risk free.
Obviously it's your choice at the end of the day but I think you should still play the guitar and paint stuff either-way, I mean I'm an engineering student but I love music regardless and play guitar simply because it's great fun and I enjoy composing shit .
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Nero Galon
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#31
You said yourself you're not looking for fortune or fame through playing guitar, so don't feel pressured to stop if you can't achieve that.

Its way too incredibly risky to put all your faith in music for a career. Some people get lucky while the others struggle their entire lives to get by.

Its all about knowing where you want to be.
corza334
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#32
I didn't know any full songs for like 2 years. Didn't even know any theory.. scales.. anything.

Still fell in love playing the guitar haha. Noodled around figuring out and making riffs.

Moral of the story is do it because you enjoy it. This post shouldn't even be here. If you still can't change chords after 5 years, but love doing it.. then do it.
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Flevi
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#33
About the academic career thing mentioned by Arab, I just can't see myself in the situation of working a 9 to5 "regular" job I would probably litteraly commit suicide in that situation. I quit doing all homework last year I hate high school (fukin cliche as Shiz) mostly I dislike the people so I think colledge is not for me right now, a lot of money I don't want to waste I know for a fact that I will be an artist no matter what I do I just don't know in what field of art that may be. I am also familiar with the fact that being a musician or any artist takes much more time than 9 to 5 ( also Im saying I wont have a career 9 to5 even though I probably will work somewhere like that at some point) in my experience painting writing and playing I know well that inspiration comes very unpredictably

Alright I think I'm done freaking whining for now lol
My apologies if I offend
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Flevi
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That link is not to a question it's just a list
My apologies if I offend
arabmetallion
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#36
Fair enough, but I wasn't sugesting you go for an academically based career but that a career in the arts requires you to be absolutley sure because you are after all taking a big risk. There's also no reason why you should stop playing guitar if your planning on doing something unrelated for a living. But I think you should allways have a backup plan though so don't neglect school too much and atleast get your highschool diploma because you may regret it later
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