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#2
ik,r?
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#3
I hope never. 2 funy

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#4
"But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime, how does that make it better?" Koster said in the exchange.


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#5
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#6
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Why do they keep talking about this stuff (in the run up to the election, of all times)? Are that fucing retarded?
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#7
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Why do they keep talking about this stuff (in the run up to the election, of all times)? Are that fucing retarded?


Because it's a very hot issue, and voting is less than a week away, so they're doing a bunch of press stops and campaigning and are getting asked hot-button questions?

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#8
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Because it's a very hot issue, and voting is less than a week away, so they're doing a bunch of press stops and campaigning and are getting asked hot-button questions?

These guys are career politicians, why don't they have the sense/agility to dodge such questions without making the headlines?
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#9
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These guys are career politicians, why don't they have the sense/agility to dodge such questions without making the headlines?


Considering the whole "Grassroots/real Americans/Joe Sixpack" movement in the Republican party over the last few years, probably not. They're probably some schmuck from Nowhere, South Carolina, that got elected to some local government thing and got a bunch of support to run for state senator/congressman/something else or something.

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#10
the whole reason is that if you think life begins as soon as the ovum is fertilized, then the fetus is a baby and needs to be protected regardless of parentage, the whole thing comes down basically to when you consider a person alive, pro-life=right away pro-choice=its up for debate, regardless of how you feel this argument it really only has minute effects on overall government policy and abortion (either way) is more an issue for the sake of your political base rather that the overall good of the country
#11
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These guys are career politicians, why don't they have the sense/agility to dodge such questions without making the headlines?

The problem with such a broad democracy is that not everyone is a smart, sensible and trained person in politics.
#13
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The Rape Thing sounds Luke a cheesy b list lifetime made for TV movie horror.

#16
"But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime, how does that make it better?" Koster said in the exchange.
koster pls
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#17
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Why do they keep talking about this stuff (in the run up to the election, of all times)? Are that fucing retarded?

No, they quite possibly just genuinely care about this issue.

Look, I’m pro-choice, but the Abortion debate is such a cluster**** because no-one can be bothered to put themselves into the shoes of the other side. They speak completely different languages and thus don’t understand one another.

Imagine for a second that you believe that human life, and all the rights that go with it, develop at conception. You believe the foetus to be a perfectly conscious human being, same as an infant. If you thought that, wouldn’t you bring up Abortion all the ****ing time? Like, wouldn’t it be all you talk about? I know if I thought that then that’d be my single issue, because it would take a huge issue to outweigh what I would then consider to be the wilful slaughter of defenceless babies.

Pro-choice people don’t see that, because we don’t consider that consciousness, or sentience, or whatever you wish to label the factor that makes humans different from other animals and thus makes it not ok to kill them, occurs at the moment of conception.
However, if you put yourself in their shoes, you realise that their statements about rape are perfectly consistent. I despise the people who are anti-abortion but think that it’s ok in cases of rape. What the **** kind of position is that to hold? If you think abortion is murder, then you can’t ever say it’s ok, no matter what the excuse is (the exception being if the mother’s life were in immediate danger, in which case it’s analogous to murder in self-defence).

Calling pro-lifers who say these things stupid is, in itself, moronic. If you understand their positions, it makes perfect sense to believe that women should carry their rapist’s child.

Where they are stupid, is in their understanding of Biology. Many of them are wilfully ignorant of the facts of embryonic development, and much of the misunderstanding might be cleared up if they opened a bio textbook, but pro-choicers would want to be careful of throwing stones from that glasshouse.
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No, they quite possibly just genuinely care about this issue.

Look, I’m pro-choice, but the Abortion debate is such a cluster**** because no-one can be bothered to put themselves into the shoes of the other side. They speak completely different languages and thus don’t understand one another.

Imagine for a second that you believe that human life, and all the rights that go with it, develop at conception. You believe the foetus to be a perfectly conscious human being, same as an infant. If you thought that, wouldn’t you bring up Abortion all the ****ing time? Like, wouldn’t it be all you talk about? I know if I thought that then that’d be my single issue, because it would take a huge issue to outweigh what I would then consider to be the wilful slaughter of defenceless babies.

Pro-choice people don’t see that, because we don’t consider that consciousness, or sentience, or whatever you wish to label the factor that makes humans different from other animals and thus makes it not ok to kill them, occurs at the moment of conception.
However, if you put yourself in their shoes, you realise that their statements about rape are perfectly consistent. I despise the people who are anti-abortion but think that it’s ok in cases of rape. What the **** kind of position is that to hold? If you think abortion is murder, then you can’t ever say it’s ok, no matter what the excuse is (the exception being if the mother’s life were in immediate danger, in which case it’s analogous to murder in self-defence).

Calling pro-lifers who say these things stupid is, in itself, moronic. If you understand their positions, it makes perfect sense to believe that women should carry their rapist’s child.

Where they are stupid, is in their understanding of Biology. Many of them are wilfully ignorant of the facts of embryonic development, and much of the misunderstanding might be cleared up if they opened a bio textbook, but pro-choicers would want to be careful of throwing stones from that glasshouse.



I don't know that they are ignorant to the facts of embryonic development so much as they disagree on the inferences to be made from those facts. A fetus is most certainly a human being; the question is, as someone pointed out here in a debate a long time ago, is it a human person? To me that's more of a philosophical question that neither side can truly be "correct" on. The analogy I hear from many pro-lifers is not that a fetus is a human person necessarily, but that because we cannot know as a matter of fact we ought to err on the side of safety and assume it's a person.
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I'd vote for that party
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#20
The Tea Party hopefully is collapsing. People like this and Akin and Mourdock saying stupid stuff on live television. Michele Bachmann is most likely going to lose her seat in congress as well.
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#21
I really don't get how America lets retards to lead their country.......

Is being retarded all the rage right now over there?
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#23
Just read The Handmaid's Tale (first thing by Atwood that hasn't managed to piss me off). It's pretty crazy how people like these rape douches are relevant in the public forum yet their viewpoint on things like this aren't even very far off to the views presented by the fictional nutjobs in that book.
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Sometimes, even the "trained politicians" aren't smart or sensible.

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I am so sick of republicans saying outrageous things about rape.

Yeah? Well, I'm so sick of you saying ridiculous things about misogyny, but I don't say I'm so sick of liberals saying ridiculous things about misogyny. Stop assuming these nutjobs represent the view of all conservative Americans/all Republicans, due.

And, for the record, I'm not a Republican.

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I really don't get how America lets retards to lead their country...
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#25
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I really don't get how America lets retards to lead their country.......

Is being retarded all the rage right now over there?

A) These rapepublicans (patent pending) don't lead the United States.

B) You live in Israel. Retarded Americans sponsor your existence.
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B) You live in Israel. Retarded Americans sponsor your existence.


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The Rape Thing sounds Luke a cheesy b list lifetime made for TV movie horror.

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#28
I'm just happy their constant pushing of this hurts them politically.
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Yeah? Well, I'm so sick of you saying ridiculous things about misogyny, but I don't say I'm so sick of liberals saying ridiculous things about misogyny. Stop assuming these nutjobs represent the view of all conservative Americans, due.

No.
#30
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I'm just happy their constant pushing of this hurts them politically.

Perhaps god intended them to lose their political relevance.
#31
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You're not girly enough of a boy for me, and you're not man enough to take the top. So like, sorry bitch but you ain't mine! Sorry.
#32
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Yeah? Well, I'm so sick of you saying ridiculous things about misogyny, but I don't say I'm so sick of liberals saying ridiculous things about misogyny. Stop assuming these nutjobs represent the view of all conservative Americans, due.

That's not what he did at all. Reading is hard. He said he's tired of republicans saying idiotic things about rape. That doesn't mean he is saying all republicans say retarded things about rape.
#33
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No.

due, you're being an ignant. Stop being an ignant, due!

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That's not what he did at all. Reading is hard. He said he's tired of republicans saying idiotic things about rape. That doesn't mean he is saying all republicans say retarded things about rape.

I'm well aware. I was making fun of him. I wasn't saying he said all Republicans say that stuff. Reading's very hard.
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I'm well aware. I was making fun of him. I wasn't saying he said all Republicans say that stuff. Reading's very hard.

Well humour clearly isn't your strong suit if that's the case. I can read, you just can't write apparently.
#37
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No, they quite possibly just genuinely care about this issue.

Look, I’m pro-choice, but the Abortion debate is such a cluster**** because no-one can be bothered to put themselves into the shoes of the other side. They speak completely different languages and thus don’t understand one another.

Imagine for a second that you believe that human life, and all the rights that go with it, develop at conception. You believe the foetus to be a perfectly conscious human being, same as an infant. If you thought that, wouldn’t you bring up Abortion all the ****ing time? Like, wouldn’t it be all you talk about? I know if I thought that then that’d be my single issue, because it would take a huge issue to outweigh what I would then consider to be the wilful slaughter of defenceless babies.

Pro-choice people don’t see that, because we don’t consider that consciousness, or sentience, or whatever you wish to label the factor that makes humans different from other animals and thus makes it not ok to kill them, occurs at the moment of conception.
However, if you put yourself in their shoes, you realise that their statements about rape are perfectly consistent. I despise the people who are anti-abortion but think that it’s ok in cases of rape. What the **** kind of position is that to hold? If you think abortion is murder, then you can’t ever say it’s ok, no matter what the excuse is (the exception being if the mother’s life were in immediate danger, in which case it’s analogous to murder in self-defence).

Calling pro-lifers who say these things stupid is, in itself, moronic. If you understand their positions, it makes perfect sense to believe that women should carry their rapist’s child.

Where they are stupid, is in their understanding of Biology. Many of them are wilfully ignorant of the facts of embryonic development, and much of the misunderstanding might be cleared up if they opened a bio textbook, but pro-choicers would want to be careful of throwing stones from that glasshouse.


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I don't know that they are ignorant to the facts of embryonic development so much as they disagree on the inferences to be made from those facts. A fetus is most certainly a human being; the question is, as someone pointed out here in a debate a long time ago, is it a human person? To me that's more of a philosophical question that neither side can truly be "correct" on. The analogy I hear from many pro-lifers is not that a fetus is a human person necessarily, but that because we cannot know as a matter of fact we ought to err on the side of safety and assume it's a person.



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#38
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Well humour clearly isn't your strong suit if that's the case. I can read, you just can't write apparently.

Unfortunately, my humor doesn't translate as well as I want it to through the internet all the time.

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#39
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I don't know that they are ignorant to the facts of embryonic development so much as they disagree on the inferences to be made from those facts. A fetus is most certainly a human being; the question is, as someone pointed out here in a debate a long time ago, is it a human person? To me that's more of a philosophical question that neither side can truly be "correct" on. The analogy I hear from many pro-lifers is not that a fetus is a human person necessarily, but that because we cannot know as a matter of fact we ought to err on the side of safety and assume it's a person.

I agree, to some extent. I said many, because I know that there are a great many pro-lifers who are like, doctors and shit. I also know it's not as cut and dried (hence my saying the pro-choicers are often not much better). I personally find it somewhat ambiguous, but it does illuminate the debate in a key way, one realises that it is physically impossible that any reasonable conception of personhood occurs at conception or at any time shortly thereafter. I think we can also reasonably push the boundary back to at least 8 weeks after conception, at which time the Embryo is physically identical to other vertebrates (that we've no real problem killing willy nilly).

After that we can start to talk about what personhood means, whether or not we reckon it resides in the brain and CNS, and to what degree, and we can use that to further inform our decisions and talk about varying degrees of personhood.

The problem, as I said, is on both sides. I just see that one side, by understanding biology a little more (or just paying more attention to it) could realise that aspects of their position are untenable.
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#40
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Yeah? Well, I'm so sick of you saying ridiculous things about misogyny, but I don't say I'm so sick of liberals saying ridiculous things about misogyny. Stop assuming these nutjobs represent the view of all conservative Americans/all Republicans, due.
How many high profile Republicans have said stuff like this throughout the election season?

Hell, the Vice Presidential candidate did himself.

I'm not saying 100% of Republicans agree with this, but based on the pure number of dumb shit said by them, it's safe to assume that a large chunk of them agree.

Also, how is this anything but misogyny?
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