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So pit, something happened last night that is totally out of my experience, and I need a little advice, however as a warning: the story is a little lengthy.

So last night me and my four roommates threw a party at our house and one of the rules of our management is that the door needs to be closed in a party. One kid kept posting by the door and my roommates girlfriend was asking him to close the door and he kept being an asshole so I walked over and tried to tell him and his friend they are welcome to stay but need to be in or outside. They started being smart and just being really difficult and so I said if they didn't move out I'd have to ask them to leave. They kept going on about waiting for a friend so I pushed them out and closed the door. A bit later we saw them both inside again and threw them out and they started getting in our face so we found out who his friend was. It turns out his friend was this girl that was downstairs hiding from him because he has been stalking her for like three years. We went and told him that and he flipped out and punched my friend in the face. The way the porch and door was set up was that we were able to grab his friend and pull him inside the door and hold him down and closed the door so he couldnt help. That left the one friend that punched my roommate and my roommate outside to fight it 1v1 and my roommate ended up throwing him off a balcony [not very high] and jumping down ontop of him beating him pretty good so we finally opened the door and came outside to pull em apart. The kid wasn't hurt too bad or anything he was just crying but still able to walk away. Anyway, the party ended and around 5am the kid came back with 5-6 friends with bats and broke down our door. Luckily a few of my roommates were upstairs and were near the kitchen to grab knives and the kid near the door's girlfriend was there and just bear hugged him and they didn't want to hit her the a bat. Once that happened they just left.

The questions I have are should we involve the police? There are no cameras the best of our knowledge so it is all just our word vs his word, and also both parties were definitely in the wrong. We asked the kid to leave and he came back so that is definitely trespassing, and breaking and entering squad deep with homies n bats is definitely not legal. But also during the fight I don't think it's legal l to separate his friend so he couldn't help him. Additionally, not all of my roommates are 21 and certainly not all of our guests, all the kid has to do is say he drank alcohol at our party and we're in trouble for furnishing. If we tell our realty company about the door we're scared they'll require a police report for property damage or something and we dont want that. Those are the concerns from the legal standpoint. Obviously we're not gonna do anything ridiculous to the kid all he did was break the door and hes already endured a physical beating. We know where he lives, we know his name, we know the password to his wireless internet and facebook, and potentially his social security number [we're not sure if it is his or just a random roommates of his]. Pit, weigh in on this!
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It's over simplified, So what!

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#8
I didn't read it, but I'm going to give advice anyway.

You and a friend should seduce the guy's mum, and get her pregnant.

EDIT: Alternatively, just make him read your post.
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Hypothetically speaking, someone I know is good with computers and because we knew where he lives maybe one of my friends went outside his apartment complex, found out what wifi was his and maybe did something similar to a brute force to get into their network and maybe was able to get access to a computer that might have had potentially personal information saved in a form filled out for doing something like maybe filling out a student loan....maybe.
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#11
That was actually a pretty engaging read. Shit on his porch

^ thats like some james bond shit right there
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Hypothetically speaking, someone I know is good with computers and because we knew where he lives maybe one of my friends went outside his apartment complex, found out what wifi was his and maybe did something similar to a brute force to get into their network and maybe was able to get access to a computer that might have had potentially personal information saved in a form filled out for doing something like maybe filling out a student loan....maybe.


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Hypothetically speaking, someone I know is good with computers and because we knew where he lives maybe one of my friends went outside his apartment complex, found out what wifi was his and maybe did something similar to a brute force to get into their network and maybe was able to get access to a computer that might have had potentially personal information saved in a form filled out for doing something like maybe filling out a student loan....maybe.

You, or someone you know, is an asshole.
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That was actually a pretty engaging read. Shit on his porch

^ thats like some james bond shit right there

It's James Bond, if the scene with Q went "OK Bond, this is a 2x4. Hold it at this end, swing and twat the bastard in the chops", instead of, you know, having cool, smart stuff.
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^ thats like some james bond shit right there

I know rite
Why is he in college if he can do this shit.....

He should be working for CIA or something.....

Anyway IMO, just leave it until something else goes down....
I'm sure something else will go down, and then that's a separate incident to call the cops...
As it's technically an unprovoked thing...
#15
i'd just leave it and let it become an ongoing feud where the guy pops up in your life and turns a normal night into a crazy situation from time to time.
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I know rite
Why is he in college if he can do this shit.....

He should be working for CIA or something.....

Anyway IMO, just leave it until something else goes down....
I'm sure something else will go down, and then that's a separate incident to call the cops...
As it's technically an unprovoked thing...


Yeah he actually does do work for the government but not in any kind of hacking, he does something with a 3d model rendering program I'm not sure what it's called. And from what he explained it was very simple, I was chillin with him because it takes 2-3 hours to do but from he explained you can literally google how to do something that maybe [ohhhh so fond of the word] is called a brute force attack.

I also fail to see how my friend is an A-hole for doing that? Just because we have the information doesn't mean we're gonna ruin this kids life with it, like i said all he did was break our door. Up until now I thought we handled it pretty responsibly, he wanted to fight and threw the first punch so we made sure he n my roommate had a fair 1v1 that he happened to lose. He came into our house with bats and we didn't defend our property so honestly, I would think the kid is really lucky we're not a-holes who could do something like paint a story about how he is the son of a member of the Westboro Baptist church or something and put his ssn on 4chan for people to ruin.

The latest development is we got his phone number and texted him telling him that we hold no hate or feelings against him and all we want is that he pays for our door. We said we don't even have to ever see him he can send the money over with that girl he stalks so he doesn't even have to come back.
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#17
c'mon guys that's not much to read...OT tho I wouldn't go to the 5-0. Mostly because it happened in a party environment. Just keep an eye out on who comes over and maybe invest in a paintball/airsoft gun if there isn't a real gun available. I'm sure you gentlemen can handle a few punks trying to start trouble.
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y'all are hoodlums. Either call the cops and get everyone punished across the board or take your losses.

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Yeah he actually does do work for the government but not in any kind of hacking, he does something with a 3d model rendering program I'm not sure what it's called. And from what he explained it was very simple, I was chillin with him because it takes 2-3 hours to do but from he explained you can literally google how to do something that maybe [ohhhh so fond of the word] is called a brute force attack.

I also fail to see how my friend is an A-hole for doing that? Just because we have the information doesn't mean we're gonna ruin this kids life with it, like i said all he did was break our door. Up until now I thought we handled it pretty responsibly, he wanted to fight and threw the first punch so we made sure he n my roommate had a fair 1v1 that he happened to lose. He came into our house with bats and we didn't defend our property so honestly, I would think the kid is really lucky we're not a-holes who could do something like paint a story about how he is the son of a member of the Westboro Baptist church or something and put his ssn on 4chan for people to ruin.

The latest development is we got his phone number and texted him telling him that we hold no hate or feelings against him and all we want is that he pays for our door. We said we don't even have to ever see him he can send the money over with that girl he stalks so he doesn't even have to come back.

I didn't mention anything about being an A-hole did I?
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I didn't mention anything about being an A-hole did I?


No not at all that was directed at somebody a few comments above you I just was sloppy and didn't do a second quote. Sorry my bad.

And yeah I pretty much know the cops are outta the picture and if the realty company asks what happened we'll just say something else so no one looks into it. So then this pretty much just leaves retaliation in the personal form assuming he does not pay for our door.

He ended up responding to the text and saying he would pay and that he was sorry and whatnot but then texted back a few minutes later saying nevermind it was not him it was a random kid following him and that he wouldnt pay. So we're back to square 1 of non-hostile negotiations.
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Yeah he actually does do work for the government but not in any kind of hacking, he does something with a 3d model rendering program I'm not sure what it's called. And from what he explained it was very simple, I was chillin with him because it takes 2-3 hours to do but from he explained you can literally google how to do something that maybe [ohhhh so fond of the word] is called a brute force attack.

I also fail to see how my friend is an A-hole for doing that? Just because we have the information doesn't mean we're gonna ruin this kids life with it, like i said all he did was break our door. Up until now I thought we handled it pretty responsibly, he wanted to fight and threw the first punch so we made sure he n my roommate had a fair 1v1 that he happened to lose. He came into our house with bats and we didn't defend our property so honestly, I would think the kid is really lucky we're not a-holes who could do something like paint a story about how he is the son of a member of the Westboro Baptist church or something and put his ssn on 4chan for people to ruin.

The latest development is we got his phone number and texted him telling him that we hold no hate or feelings against him and all we want is that he pays for our door. We said we don't even have to ever see him he can send the money over with that girl he stalks so he doesn't even have to come back.

I don't know how things work in the US, but in the UK, what he did is an offense under sections 1, 2, and 3A of the Computer Misuse Act(section 1, obtaining unauthorised access; section 2, unauthorised acces with intent to commit further offenses; section 3A, making, supplying or obtaining articles for use in an offense under sections 1 or 3).
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I don't know how things work in the US, but in the UK, what he did is an offense under sections 1, 2, and 3A of the Computer Misuse Act(section 1, obtaining unauthorised access; section 2, unauthorised acces with intent to commit further offenses; section 3A, making, supplying or obtaining articles for use in an offense under sections 1 or 3).



Yeah it's very similar. That would make him a criminal I guess, but not an a-hole. The hard thing about what the argument has devolved into is that a-hole is a very subjective term. I personally think he has the power to be an a-hole, but hasn't flexed that power yet. Obviously its not unreasonable for someone to have your perspective, I guess in my mind because I view my apartment as the victims [for the most part, definitely not entirely] I think that we are pretty nice, it wouldn't unreasonable for someone to get really worked up over this and do something totally irrational, we're trying to think about it.
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Yeah it's very similar. That would make him a criminal I guess, but not an a-hole. The hard thing about what the argument has devolved into is that a-hole is a very subjective term. I personally think he has the power to be an a-hole, but hasn't exercised that power yet. Obviously its not unreasonable for someone to have your perspective, I guess in my mind because I view my apartment as the victims [for the most part, definitely not entirely] I think that we are pretty nice, it wouldn't unreasonable for someone to get really worked up over this and do something totally irrational, we're trying to think about it.

If you don;t want to be assholes, then stick to what you told the guy.
Pay for the door, and that's that.
If he doesn't want to, then there's the small claims court.
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I seriously doubt he brute forced any reasonable password in a couple hours.

You're assuming it's a reasonable password, and not just a dictionary word.
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#26
Don't serve underage kids and you won't have to worry about that being a consequence for turning those scumbags in.
#28
Good for you guys. Whats all this about a password, I missed that?

Anyways, basically you're going to have to pay for the door yourself. If one of your friends is handy that will be nice. You probably just have to buy a new lock and bolt, maybe some of the frame broke when they broke in but thats the most I can think of.

If this happened to me I'd make sure I did something more serious to this kid than having your friend make him cry in the fight, so they didn't bother you again. They have the power with knowing where you live, make sure and give them a reason to want to forget your ****ing address.

EDIT: Basically relentlessly **** with him until he pays you. **** up his Facebook, change the password on his wifi. Stay away from the Social Security #, thats getting into Identity Theft areas.
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#29
Yeah I definitely don't want to touch the ssn like I said we don't even know whos it is in his apartment and I would never implicate his roommates in something that was a singular individuals wrongdoing.

As far as the disbelief, im serious guys do a simple google search. If you only have a basic WPA key your internet is hardly considered protected its pretty scary. Also, we're a bunch of college kids so yes his password was a very simple reference to lil wayne [smh lol].

We texted him back saying we're not buying his story and whatnot, seems as if he's gonna comply with that. If he doesn't my roommates and I have decided we will still leave it be and pay for the door after we touch it up as much as possible. Luckily the panel came straight off its just the wood where the deadbolt was that is damaged badly, I really think it's something that we can fix after a quick trip to home depot or lowes.

The few less harmful ideas we've had are to block his MAC address from their router the week before and during finals week. This would be pretty funny because just about everything my school does is through our online course network. He obviously would be majorly inconvenienced by this and have to use the computer labs on campus and whatnot [there are tons available, he would have no excuse to say he couldnt access a computer]. The thing about facebook is it tells you when someone from another location logged and and what changes they made, so that isn't a huge help.
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#31
Actually a pretty interesting story, TS. Don't get me wrong, you seem to be in some deep shit if bats, knives, stalking and hacking are involved. I'd even say that you, your friends and your current enemies might be assholes but since I don't know you nor have I seen the actual incident I'll refrain from harsh judgement.


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Funny thing is, if you'd got the police involved before you hacked his computer and accessed confidential information, you'd pretty much be in the clear.

They were in your home, you asked them to leave, they attacked you and you acted in self defence.

Separating the guy from his friend isn't any more illegal than it would be to hold a person back from stepping in front of a car.

They then came back and broke into your home with the intention of causing serious harm.

As long as you have a handful of people willing to speak on your behalf, you wouldn't have had to worry about facing any charges yourself.
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Funny thing is, if you'd got the police involved before you hacked his computer and accessed confidential information, you'd pretty much be in the clear.



I think he said that involving the police would be a problem since alcohol was being served to minors at the party. Not sure though, check the thread.


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#35
Minus the alcohol issue, you'd be fine if you told the police since they were giving you crap on your own property. And the only way they would know you got information illegally by hacking (not sure if proper use of the term) would be from this thread or if you told them. So if you tell the police, delete this thread.
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#36
There's no goddamn fucking way I'm going to fucking read all that fucking shit.
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#38
Yeah the police were ruled out in the begining anyway because as a junior in college, not all of my roommates and guests were 21. I understand that that is very irresponsible and stupid and the numbers game doesn't justify anything but it happens all the time at colleges all across the nation, and im sure this is one of the repercussions. If we told the police and went into detail about how they came back with bats it would be a big deal and they would need a guest list and want to interview everyone and all that business. I'm not interested in involving anyone else so that's a no go. As far as what I meant about being in trouble because we grabbed his friend inside is that because we brought him inside he could argue we restrained him from breaking up the fight and let our roommate go wwe smackdown on his friend.

As for the hacking we're absolutely not doing anything volatile with the personal information, thats way too out of bounds. Like I said all we want from him is to pay for the door that he broke when he came into our house. We don't want any trouble, we don't want him to apologize or anything. The information we gained would not be used to harm any of their data or anything, we were simply talking about blocking him from being able to access the internet, that's near harmless in my mind as far as retaliation goes for someone who came in and threatened us in our own home.
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