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samuraigoomba
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How are these guitars? Is there a big difference in quality between the 470s and 570s? Are they all made in Japan? I ask because I was looking at used Ibanez guitars and there didn't seem to be much difference between them in price. An RG570 is around $350, an RG470 is about $200 and a Prestige is about $425. So there's enough variation in price that it would be good to know more about the individual guitars, but I was wondering if the difference in quality between a Prestige and RG470 is worth the several hundred extra you pay.

Also curious if there's any difference in the neck width or quality of the trem system. Btw this is the prestige I was looking at:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-IBANEZ-RG-PRESTIGE-GALAXY-BLK-NC-0227-107396046-i2407085.gc

Oh, and how well do Ibanez guitars stay in tune? It doesn't look like they all have locking tuners. Basically, I don't know anything about Ibanez except the guitars look good, sound good and are usually made in Japan by pros.
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470 is normally made in japan but there might be a few years where it wasn't

i'd say 570 on the basis that it has a better trem. that's the main thing to staying in tune and sounding good and being able to do all the floyd tricks effortlessly. the 470 is a good guitar (i have one), but the bad trem is its achilles heel.

EDIT: if the guitar has a floyd it doesn't need locking tuners, it's the locking nut which clamps the string. a locking nut will keep you in tune better than locking tuners.
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As far as I know, today, only Prestige models are MIJ. And Prestige models are miles ahead of the other Ibanez guitars in terms of build quality, quality of the wood used, and attention to detail. Those Japs know what they're doing.

Regardless of whichever Ibby you get, you'll probably want new pickups, so factor that in to your decision. And most Ibanez guitars have locking tremolos and they basically never go out of tune when they're set up right.
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Generally, as long as it is made in Japan and had an Edge, Lo-Pro, Edge Pro Edge Zero or ZR, you're good.

That being said, there are some great (mostly early-mid 90's) Korean made Ibanez's out there that are just as good as their Japanese counterparts, most notably the old S and RG4xx models.

Honestly, if it where up to me, I wouldn't bother with anything made after 2006 or so. The quality just isn't what it used to be, and there is really no reason to pay today's crazy prices on new guitars when you can find better (older) ones used for half the price on eBay and craigslist. If you can find one of those late 80's to early 2000s Ibanez's in good shape online, jump on it.
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http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-IBANEZ-RG570-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-BLACK-WC-MADE-IN-JAPAN-072712-107982734-i2648927.gc

Do you guys think places like guitar center can be trusted to accurately post whether or not a guitar was made in japan? It looks like online sellers are charging more for their MIJ Ibanez guitars than places like GC. A decent RG470 from 1999 (MIJ) on ebay is about $350, and I'd really rather find a used RG570 in that price range if I can.

I really wish guitar center gave date of manufacture for their used stock.

Edit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBANEZ-RG-470-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-Made-In-Japan-/150931364273?pt=Guitar&hash=item232435d9b1 An example of an ebay MIJ ibanez that seems pretty okay (imo), except it's a 470.
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link doesn't work (maybe because i'm not in the US, those GC links never seem to work for me)

i'd be wary

best thing to do is ask for a pic of the back of the headstock. you can tell from the "made in japan" stamp and the serial number (should start with an "F" if it's japanese-made).
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If you can't get headstock photos just ask GC by phone or email about the origin.
470- nice bodies, rg550/570 necks, cheap ass bridge.
570- nice body, nice neck, good bridges
1570- a new 570 with the word prestige on it.
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I sent a couple of messages to the folks at GC, then realized the prestige I was looking at appears to be a 7-string. In my defense, the pictures GC provides are absolutely tiny.

So, what do you recommend to replace the pups on a 570 for someone who doesn't want to play only metal? I don't really know anything about upgrading pickups, my other guitars either came with good pups or came with awful pups but were too cheap to be worth upgrading. I don't know what kind of passives would be good for an Ibanez.

Edit: I discovered a line called the "Jem Junior." I'm going to assume this is a cheap korean knock-off of a real jem, but if they're really great guitars, let me know. It would be cool to own a jem for $400... But I'm very suspicious.
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Quote by Rickshaw Jah

470- nice bodies, rg550/570 necks, cheap ass bridge.



Cheap ass bridge!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

What. All of my what. ALL of my what.

It has an original Edge.

Y'know who uses those? Steve Vai.

Y'know who abuses them? Steve Vai.


Also, on the pickup change, Dimarzios LOVE Ibanez guitars.
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The RG470 was MIJ for years 1993-94, made in Korea for years 1994-1999, and MIJ for years 1998-2004, so it can be confusing. The MIJ have the Lo-TRS I and the MIK have the Lo-TRS II.

RG570 was always MIJ.

The RG470 has a slightly thicker neck (still thin), and the trem is not as good as the RG570. Lo-TRS (RG470) vs. Edge (RG570). Otherwise there is almost no difference.

The Prestige in your link looks like a 7 string.

I would check out the Ibanez wiki for info on the models, it has all the specs, and where they are made. I've been recently shopping for an Ibanez and all the info is out there and it's really easier to search for it than to ask on a forum.

I would look for an RG570 but still consider the MIJ RG470. Good luck.
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What neck heel does the 570 have? The 470 has a square heel, so I'd probably get the 570 if it has the AANJ.

And "Prestige" is just what Ibanez started to call their MIJ guitars. All MIJ Ibbies are technically a Prestige model. Personally I won't buy and Ibanez that has the old style locking nut screws(through the neck) and that doesn't have a 5-piece neck. The AANJ is also something I look for, but is practically guaranteed with any 5-piece neck model anyway(except for my RG770DX reissue. Damn you Ibanez )
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470 also has the AANJ.

I didn't realize they made them after 1993. If it's pre-94, it has a square neck heel.
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It's the same with the RG570, early ones have the square, later ones have the AANJ.

I know, that's why I said IF the 570 has an AANJ.
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Yeah, an AANJ is an absolute must-have on any bolt-on Ibanez I get. I'm not buying another guitar with a square. Blegh. I've managed to find both 570s and 470s with AANJ. I've heard Ibanez necks have more space between the strings than some other brands. If that's true, it could be very good for my fat fingers.
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Cheap ass bridge!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

What. All of my what. ALL of my what.

It has an original Edge.

Y'know who uses those? Steve Vai.

Y'know who abuses them? Steve Vai.


Also, on the pickup change, Dimarzios LOVE Ibanez guitars.


2 years out of 12 in production with a decent bridge and you make it sound like I'm insane. 10/12 years with lo trs/trs2 = overall shit bridges.

Y'know who also was a fan of and hugely supported the Edge 3? Steve Vai. :P
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I'd go for the 570 or 1570. I find that my 1570 might be the best playing of all my guitars. Too bad Ibanez messed up the pickup route depth on the 08 models. If you're looking to put in some mid-high output pickups, make sure that you don't have an 08 or that the replacement pups are under 22 or 23mm tall Crunch Lab & Liquifire are too tall. That reminds me, need to order a short leg nailbomb :P
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Quote by Rickshaw Jah
2 years out of 12 in production with a decent bridge and you make it sound like I'm insane. 10/12 years with lo trs/trs2 = overall shit bridges.

Y'know who also was a fan of and hugely supported the Edge 3? Steve Vai. :P


was ;P

And he is more or less owned by Ibanez, but he can still choose to put what he wants on his guitars.
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To clarify, Ibanez stopped using the square block for the neck heel in '92. The only guitars that have them after that are some of the older 7s and any reissue or signature models where the neck joint is spec'd differently (like the PGM models or 1987 reissues for example).

It also an easy fix to switch a square heel neck to an AANJ body. All you have to do is fill in the screw holes and re-drill them.
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I think I've found a good deal at guitar center, let me know if I missed anything.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-IBANEZ-RG570-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-BLACK-WC-MADE-IN-JAPAN-072712-107982734-i2648927.gc

For those not able to see the link, it's a black RG570 with a serial number beginning with F. I've checked the serial online and it looks like a 1987 (could be a re-issue) Fuji-gen factory guitar. Seems to be legit MIJ. It's $300 and the guy says it has minor wear on the body. He also said the pickups were high-output, so I'm not sure if he means they were replaced or if he's making a general statement about ibanez guitars.

The only thing I don't like the look of is I'm pretty sure it uses a tilt joint instead of an AANJ. Does anyone have experiences playing tilt joint-style Ibanez guitars? I'm just afraid of seeing THIS sort of thing:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gEEsAOb3t9E/TcafOEskg-I/AAAAAAAAEuI/yDLL6wWSnJ4/s1600/schecter+omen+6+body+rear.JPG
The bolt-on neck that haunts my nightmares.

My other concern is whether or not GC does a good job shipping guitars, and if I should have guitars sent to GC or to my house directly.
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To clarify, Ibanez stopped using the square block for the neck heel in '92. The only guitars that have them after that are some of the older 7s and any reissue or signature models where the neck joint is spec'd differently (like the PGM models or 1987 reissues for example).

It also an easy fix to switch a square heel neck to an AANJ body. All you have to do is fill in the screw holes and re-drill them.

They stopped using the square heel in 1994.
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I would get the Prestige hands down. 1) The AANJ is one of the best designed heels I've ever encountered. Block heels are pretty much the worst thing since spoiled milk. 2) It's cool having "Prestige" on the headstock.
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honestly i would have to play them all. in reality it may not be possible, but when buying used comparable guitars, which the 570 and Prestige 1000 series, it would go for either feel, or fretwear. i will never buy a used guitar unless i have played it. fretwork isn't cheap and on a $400 guitar pretty much 'totals it' as it would probably cost $300 to refret it. i have played a 570 before and liked it. however i own two prestiges (3550MZ and 2570EVSL), and i would take it over a 570. also partially for the countered heel in pre '94s.
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Well if I decide to hold out for a prestige, the closest GC to me has one for $400 that I could go try out. It's silver, but I'd be able to actually play it before buying. :|
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Well if I decide to hold out for a prestige, the closest GC to me has one for $400 that I could go try out. It's silver, but I'd be able to actually play it before buying. :|

Playing before you buy is always a plus. And $400 is pretty damn good price.
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Playing before you buy is always a plus. And $400 is pretty damn good price.

Well the picture is small, but it looks like a gray nickel-colored RG1570.

http://ibanez.wikia.com/wiki/RG1570



That's a stock internet photo, the real one is miniscule because it's GC, what do you expect.

Looks pretty much perfect, it has the AANJ and it's at the closest GC to me. Now I feel bad for asking more questions to that guy I was emailing. But seriously, I don't feel like compromising on the neck heel. I'm gonna be selling my schecter omen-6 pretty much solely because of that goddamn metal neck block.

With those specs (and assuming it's MIJ and not MIK or something weird), I can live with the color.

Edit: I also just noticed the same GC has a used RG570. Doesn't say MIJ, but it's only $250, so for that price I'll be testing it as well.
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To be fair, GC is getting A LOT better with their pictures and used gear sales in general. I think they're realizing that most gear heads are actually shopping used, not buying their shit off the floor. A few of the pics I've seen on GC Used are quite large and detailed. It'll take time but it'll all get better eventually.

Also agreed $400 is actually a great price for a 1570.
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Well, I'm finally done with my week and can go down to GC to test guitars. While I'm there, should I test amps as well? I'm using an orange 12-watt crush. It's cheap, but I'm pretty satisfied with it. Limited range, but it sounds good.

I've been holding off on getting a tube amp because I was given a broken fender vibrochamp '60s amp. Once I get it fixed, I'll have a nice practice amp to mess around with. And if I decide to sell it, I can probably get enough to buy whatever kind of amp I want.

I've also been thinking about grabbing a fuzz medal. I was planning to get a big muff, but there are, like, 4 different kinds I can get and I have no idea which is best.
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Sorry for the double post, but I went to check out the guitars today. There was a MIJ Ibanez RG570 for $250 and a Prestige for $400. First off, the Prestige was very dusty and dirty. It sounded okay, but the pickups... Meh. The neck was pretty nice, very flat. Probably a decent deal, but I'm feeling cash poor at the moment from other expenses.

I had much higher hopes for the RG570, especially after seeing it was MIJ. It played and sounded good, about the same as the prestige. There were a few hitches, though. The back plate was missing, and it seemed like anything metal on the front of the guitar that could have rust on it, did. I don't know if that affects anything at all, but I felt uncomfortable buying a guitar with so much rust. There was also some semi-exposed wiring on the front of the guitar (you could see the wiring for the pups).

I'm probably being way too picky, but I'm not experienced with the mechanics of guitars and have no idea how to repair something if it breaks. On the plus side, I have a feeling those guitars have been there a while and aren't exactly flying off the shelves (the kiddie metal crowd at GC seem to be into schecters instead), so I can always go back if I change my mind.

Right now I'm leaning towards a fender heartfield talon if I can find one at a good price.
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1992-1993 Ibanez RG470's were made at Fugijen factory with Edge trem and original wizard neck per the Ibanez wiki. Basically the equivalent to the 570's at that time. Once they moved over to Korea in 1994 the quality dropped and they got rid of the Edge and wizard for a wizard ii and lotrs trem I believe.

I have a 1993 RG470. I've owned if for over three years and just found out it was a RG470. I've always thought it was a 570 until I saw how the heel connected to the body.

http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1993/rg_2.jpg
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Quote by Offworld92

Also agreed $400 is actually a great price for a 1570.


Good to know, I just got a Prestige RGR1570 for 400 last week in great shape.

Don't mean to hijack, but I have seen this mentioned a few times. Do all of the 1570's with the direct mount pickups have issues with aftermarket pickups fitting or is it only specific years? Pretty sure mine is a 2007.
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I have a 1993 RG470. I've owned if for over three years and just found out it was a RG470. I've always thought it was a 570 until I saw how the heel connected to the body.

You mean you saw the stamp in the neck pocket that says RG470?

The easiest way to tell and RG470 from a 570 is to looks at the output jack. A 570 has a flushmount jack with a small cavity in the back of the guitar, while a 470 has a jack plate and no 3rd cavity.

RG470




RG570


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You mean you saw the stamp in the neck pocket that says RG470?

The easiest way to tell and RG470 from a 570 is to looks at the output jack. A 570 has a flushmount jack with a small cavity in the back of the guitar, while a 470 has a jack plate and no 3rd cavity.


I figured by how it didn't "contour" I guess when the neck meets the body. Instead it's just a square. But yeah, I do have a jackplate which I agree is the easiest way to tell. The first pic is the same color I have also, emerald green. It was sold to me as a 570, but I don't blame the guy. Nearly all the same components for the year.
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Oh yeah, I never realized the 470 didn't use the slant heel. I guess that's just as easy to recognize as the jack. Have you taken the neck off? I'm curious to know if the 470 uses a 550 neck like the 520 and 570 do. And if not, what would the difference be?
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Good deals, I paid $750 for my 1570, it had Evos in it though. The standard pups are shite
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Good deals, I paid $750 for my 1570, it had Evos in it though. The standard pups are shite


What year is yours? I want to replace the pickups but want to make sure they are going to fit, I keep hearing about the shallow pickup routes on the 1570's.
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What year is yours? I want to replace the pickups but want to make sure they are going to fit, I keep hearing about the shallow pickup routes on the 1570's.

It would literally take someone with a router and a pattern cutting bit 10 minutes to deepen the routes, and the risks are pretty low. Do you have access to a router?
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It would literally take someone with a router and a pattern cutting bit 10 minutes to deepen the routes, and the risks are pretty low. Do you have access to a router?


As a last resort, I could. I don't want to, but I do have access to a router.
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As a last resort, I could. I don't want to, but I do have access to a router.

I think it's really much less risky a procedure than people might think. I'd say there is less risk involved with that than there is with drilling an extra hole for a switch(for example), and it's undetectable. I'd hate to see somewhere stick with the Ibanez stock pickups because they are reluctant to do that.