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#122
Oh god, America, what the ****ing ****nuts.
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#123
Next 4 would be the same anyways. I didn't vote for Obomney.
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#124
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Goddamn, was hoping for Romney to win for a shitstorm on the internet and ww3

I live in TN, in one of the most Republican-sided counties. The shitstorm is readily apparent.
#125
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I live in TN, in one of the most Republican-sided counties. The shitstorm is readily apparent.

This.

I laughed my ass off at about half the statuses that were going up on my Facebook feed once it became apparent there was no way Romney could win.
#126
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This.

I laughed my ass off at about half the statuses that were going up on my Facebook feed once it became apparent there was no way Romney could win.

Oh look, it's the other Franklin, TN guy! I keep thinking I'm crazy when I read your location.
#127
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As great as it would be to have a radical overthrow of the bipartisan Republican/Democrat system (lol), if you keep making the mistake of voting between two ineffective candidates, election after election, the result will be the same so don't complain when your bipartisan candidate didn't win. This race could not have had a winner because they are both destructive in a significant way.

Voting between the lesser of two evils is not the way we should go about voting. Encourage 3rd party voting for the next four years because you have more than two choices. Better choices that should not be ignored. The first step to fixing this country is considering all the options and not just the options that are most likely to win. I want voting for the third party to not be a throwaway vote the next election. The electoral college would have to be fixed though.

I can't. I could vote for two Independents in the state government and I did. We only had Obama and Romney. This state discourages third parties.
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#128
The Republican's view on reproductive rights for women really turned me away from Mitt. I know he denounced a lot of statements, but he still belongs to that party.

I'm not happy with Obama and what he did with regards to immigration, but I am really glad Obama won.
#130
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It's funny that people think the economy is magically going to recover in a month or something. We are likely to see another 2 or 3 presidents before everything is fixed properly. Then it's only a matter of time before it happens again, as a species that loves saying we learn from the past...we rarely do.


Thank you

Jesus christ it's honestly like watching some fucking kid going "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" as soon as the family has just gotten off the driveway to drive all of the way to fucking Saturn.

Do you think it'd be such a big universal crisis if it was so easily fixable?
#131
its a vey long shot but I hope Obama at least mentions campaign finance reform in the next 4 years
#132
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Oh god, America, what the ****ing ****nuts.

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#133
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Thank you

Jesus christ it's honestly like watching some fucking kid going "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" as soon as the family has just gotten off the driveway to drive all of the way to fucking Saturn.

Do you think it'd be such a big universal crisis if it was so easily fixable?


Can't hear logic and reason over

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#136
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#137
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Damn, Luis Fortuno lost too.

What a great night lol.
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#139
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The Republican's view on reproductive rights for women really turned me away from Mitt.


I knew it.
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#141
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Did Obama ever quit smoking?
Have you seen that bod? Of course not!
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#142
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Thank you

Jesus christ it's honestly like watching some fucking kid going "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" as soon as the family has just gotten off the driveway to drive all of the way to fucking Saturn.

Do you think it'd be such a big universal crisis if it was so easily fixable?


The first step is to stop writing our country's checkbook 1,000,000,000,000 in debt each year (yes, that is the correct number of zeros). When that's our fearless leader's "plan" (to put us into that much debt each year), nothing good will come of it. This is the first of many things wrong with his policies, and although I cannot agree with EVERYTHING Romney has laid on the table, I must say Romney has a better understanding of how to get America on the right track to recovery.

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#143
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The first step is to stop writing our country's checkbook 1,000,000,000,000 in debt each year (yes, that is the correct number of zeros). When that's our fearless leader's "plan" (to put us into that much debt each year), nothing good will come of it. This is the first of many things wrong with his policies, and although I cannot agree with EVERYTHING Romney has laid on the table, I must say Romney has a better understanding of how to get America on the right track to recovery.

Hey bro, there's this thing called interest.

If you look at Bush and Obama's debt rate, it's doubled more or less pretty consistently. It's not like he's literally spending that much.
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#144
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Hey bro, there's this thing called interest.

If you look at Bush and Obama's debt rate, it's doubled more or less pretty consistently. It's not like he's literally spending that much.

Interest rates are near 0. Also, check out the 1st page: http://www.marketwatch.com/

And yeah, pretty much every president except for Reagan post 45 has grown the non-defense budget. Democrats and Republicans are unfortunately spendthrifts,
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#145
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Interest rates are near 0. Also, check out the 1st page: http://www.marketwatch.com/

I'm not horribly informed on economics, regrettably. I mentioned that after seeing a pattern in the debt rising in the Bush and Obama years.
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#146
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Hey bro, there's this thing called interest.

If you look at Bush and Obama's debt rate, it's doubled more or less pretty consistently. It's not like he's literally spending that much.


And he has managed to literally sell us to China. Interest alone is not enough to justify, in only four years, doubling a debt what has taken this country over two hundred years to accrue. Sure, there will be good times and bad times in all economies and all countries, but the direction we are headed now is not the right one. I am working, and therefore financially supporting the majority of obama's supporters. This is what I believe obama is after. He wants a big government and a nation dependent on our government. He has stated that the wealthy need to pay more taxes. All of a sudden being wealthy and successful is a bad thing!? Here, lets take money from the successful job creators, further preventing them from hiring more employees and paying higher wages, expanding their businesses therefore creating more jobs, and give said money to poor people who don't work and have never contrubuted to the good of the country. Yeah, this is going to work. Not to mention my taxes will be higher than ever starting next year.

#147
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And he has managed to literally sell us to China. Interest alone is not enough to justify, in only four years, doubling a debt what has taken this country over two hundred years to accrue. Sure, there will be good times and bad times in all economies and all countries, but the direction we are headed now is not the right one. I am working, and therefore financially supporting the majority of obama's supporters. This is what I believe obama is after. He wants a big government and a nation dependent on our government. He has stated that the wealthy need to pay more taxes. All of a sudden being wealthy and successful is a bad thing!? Here, lets take money from the successful job creators, further preventing them from hiring more employees and paying higher wages, expanding their businesses therefore creating more jobs, and give said money to poor people who don't work and have never contrubuted to the good of the country. Yeah, this is going to work. Not to mention my taxes will be higher than ever starting next year.

Although I am all for cutting spending and taxes and preserving incentives to work, you use a myth on debt that unfortunately many people fall prey to. China does not own the US. Chinese investors (may be in part government people) choose to purchase treasury bonds (aka public debt) because they believe it to be a good investment or a safeguard (a hedge against market downturns). This does not give them any leverage over the US. It is simply investors expressing their wishes (a financial haven) through the bond market.
However, you are right in saying that debt levels must be paid and spending lowered, as all spending by the government is eventually paid for by taxation or inflation.
#148
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And he has managed to literally sell us to China. Interest alone is not enough to justify, in only four years, doubling a debt what has taken this country over two hundred years to accrue. Sure, there will be good times and bad times in all economies and all countries, but the direction we are headed now is not the right one. I am working, and therefore financially supporting the majority of obama's supporters. This is what I believe obama is after. He wants a big government and a nation dependent on our government. He has stated that the wealthy need to pay more taxes. All of a sudden being wealthy and successful is a bad thing!? Here, lets take money from the successful job creators, further preventing them from hiring more employees and paying higher wages, expanding their businesses therefore creating more jobs, and give said money to poor people who don't work and have never contrubuted to the good of the country. Yeah, this is going to work. Not to mention my taxes will be higher than ever starting next year.



Do you honestly think Mitt was going to do something so vastly different? We've seen president after president with the changes between them getting smaller and smaller.

The problems with this country have been 200 yrs in the making. Had Romney been put in you would still see the debt rise each year without fail. We are a house of cards and neither Romney OR Obama can change that. We are going to crash and burn at some point its just a matter of who's going to be president and get the blame.
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#149
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Do you honestly think Mitt was going to do something so vastly different? We've seen president after president with the changes between them getting smaller and smaller.

The problems with this country have been 200 yrs in the making. Had Romney been put in you would still see the debt rise each year without fail. We are a house of cards and neither Romney OR Obama can change that. We are going to crash and burn at some point its just a matter of who's going to be president and get the blame.

I am much more hopeful than you in that respect. Much like in the 20th century the intellectual climate was towards more socialism/government interventions (for better or worse), today, I believe that there is a shift in intellectual opinion towards freer markets and smaller government. There always is a lag between shift in intellectual climate and changes in policy, but I believe that the long term trend will be towards less spending and freer markets.
#150
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Do you honestly think Mitt was going to do something so vastly different? We've seen president after president with the changes between them getting smaller and smaller.

The problems with this country have been 200 yrs in the making. Had Romney been put in you would still see the debt rise each year without fail. We are a house of cards and neither Romney OR Obama can change that. We are going to crash and burn at some point its just a matter of who's going to be president and get the blame.


Romeny WAS going to do something vastly different! Have you not paid attention to the main topics at hand? Watch any of the debates? Read each candidates domestic and foreign policies and looked into each tax code? WTF??? And it is misinformed voters like you I can blame.

#151
Romney would've worsened the deficit with more unnecessary tax breaks for the wealthy and more pointless spending on the military. Obama's gonna end the Bush tax cuts and cut spending. This is a no brainer.
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#152
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Romney would've worsened the deficit with more unnecessary tax breaks for the wealthy and more pointless spending on the military. Obama's gonna end the Bush tax cuts and cut spending. This is a no brainer.


inb4 the economy still doesn't improve (because Obama sucks at economic stuff)
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#153
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I am much more hopeful than you in that respect. Much like in the 20th century the intellectual climate was towards more socialism/government interventions (for better or worse), today, I believe that there is a shift in intellectual opinion towards freer markets and smaller government. There always is a lag between shift in intellectual climate and changes in policy, but I believe that the long term trend will be towards less spending and freer markets.



One could hope but given that there are those who will push and scheme to keep it leaning towards big government (there are people who profit from it) and that in the time it takes one canidate to begin the process of breaking it down (8yrs even with 2 terms) the next guy up could erase all he has done in his first 4 its unlikely.

It would take multiple presidents in a row working together, linking their policies together and sharing common goals. Thats nearly impossible given the 2 party system we have and that most understand the President is only a figure head and not the real power mover.

Those guys are the ones who scheme and move chess pieces to keep the money and power in their hands. They spend it easily only because they understand it takes money to make money. No way they will give it up. Like i said those types would rather the house of cards come crashing down so long as it doesnt fall on them and they will fight that crash even when it seems inevitable. Again so long as it doesnt fall on them. They have a president for taking that kinda blame.

Given that most politicians and bigwigs seem to be experts at avoiding spotlight and blame they will somehow end up safe when the collapse happens.
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#154
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inb4 the economy still doesn't improve (because Obama sucks at economic stuff)

The economy will definitely improve. That's why it was very important to stop Romney. If he'd taken office, he could've enacted a whole bunch of awful policies that still wouldn't halt the momentum of the recovery, and by 2016 the public would've seen it as vindication.

But with Obama in power it will be even stronger.
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#155
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Romeny WAS going to do something vastly different! Have you not paid attention to the main topics at hand? Watch any of the debates? Read each candidates domestic and foreign policies and looked into each tax code? WTF??? And it is misinformed voters like you I can blame.



Have you not seen the fact that despite Bush and Obama being supposed total opposites that he has continued right in his footsteps and continued or signed into law many of the policies that Bush started.

Or that since the 70s all this has been recurring topics that no one has fixed? Im not even that old and i can see through the BS. We've have been getting worse and worse regardless of president. Its a huge sham. A facade. A giant mess that can only be fixed by tearing it down and restarting fresh.

Romney wasnt going to fix shit. He was going to do what was best for Romney and do what those who supported and funded him want. He wa going to be a good little figure head and goat when the time came which is all they need or want.

Kinda like Obama

And Bush

and Clinton

and Other Bush

and Reagan

And on and on and on.
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#156
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One could hope but given that there are those who will push and scheme to keep it leaning towards big government (there are people who profit from it) and that in the time it takes one canidate to begin the process of breaking it down (8yrs even with 2 terms) the next guy up could erase all he has done in his first 4 its unlikely.

It would take multiple presidents in a row working together, linking their policies together and sharing common goals. Thats nearly impossible given the 2 party system we have and that most understand the President is only a figure head and not the real power mover.

Those guys are the ones who scheme and move chess pieces to keep the money and power in their hands. They spend it easily only because they understand it takes money to make money. No way they will give it up. Like i said those types would rather the house of cards come crashing down so long as it doesnt fall on them and they will fight that crash even when it seems inevitable. Again so long as it doesnt fall on them. They have a president for taking that kinda blame.

Given that most politicians and bigwigs seem to be experts at avoiding spotlight and blame they will somehow end up safe when the collapse happens.

That is true to an extent, but you should also get a sense of proportion. In the 60s and 70s the words free trade and free markets were in disuse and even frowned upon by both parties. Today, both sides of the aisle pay lip service (and occasionally enact FTAs or lower trade barriers) to free market economics. Today, economists are unanimous in supporting free trade and economic freedom has risen globally for the past 50 years (although declined in the US...).
While it is true that there will always be incentives for politicians to spend and special interests to lobby for more spending, the change in intellectual climate has made it politically advantageous to cut spending, taxes and move towards a slimmer government. Of course this won't happen overnight, but I am reporting a trend that I believe will continue for the next couple decades.
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#157
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The economy will definitely improve. That's why it was very important to stop Romney. If he'd taken office, he could've enacted a whole bunch of awful policies that still wouldn't halt the momentum of the recovery, and by 2016 the public would've seen it as vindication.

But with Obama in power it will be even stronger.


What Obama originally said he was going to do with the economy didn't happen. Now he doesn't need to worry about re-election, so sucks for us if he sucks at it again.
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#158
i woke my dad up at 1:30 last night to gloat about Obama's win.

me: the president's still black

dad: i'm going back to bed

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#159
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That is true to an extent, but you should also get a sense of proportion. In the 60s and 70s the words free trade and free markets were in disuse and even frowned upon by both parties. Today, both sides of the aisle pay lip service (and occasionally enact FTAs or lower trade barriers) to free market economics. Today, economists are unanimous in supporting free trade and economic freedom has risen globally for the past 50 years (although declined in the US...).
While it is true that there will always be incentives for politicians to spend and special interests to lobby for more spending, the change in intellectual climate has made it politically advantageous to cut spending, taxes and move towards a slimmer government. Of course this won't happen overnight, but I am reporting a trend that I believe will continue for the next couple decades.



Your info isnt falling on deaf ears. Im just wary/doubtful of it. I should probably do some more research but at this point im still going with my beliefs.

Who knows maybe the bigwigs are changing. My only concern is they will somehow twist the good you are saying is happening when it finally becomes apparent to people.

Not sure if i put that well but basically:

Them: *power trip over money*

Us: This sucks lets do this instead.

Them: *Realizes possible change*

Them: Hey let us assist with that. We can see the good but you might need our help with it. We wanna work towards something different too.

Us: *wary* Okay but no funny business

Them: *Power trip over new money*

Us: This Sucks.
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#160
Quote by Carnivean
What Obama originally said he was going to do with the economy didn't happen. Now he doesn't need to worry about re-election, so sucks for us if he sucks at it again.

What didn't happen? We're out of recession and steadily adding jobs every month and the unemployment rate's under 8%.
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