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Acechao111
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Hey!

(This is also my first forum post I believe, I've been using this website a while and I love it!)

I need advice on what pick up to replace the Fender stock humbucker in the bridge of my Stratocaster. I play stuff like Blink-182, Green Day, AvA, SCANDAL, Fall out boy etc.
I need a good pop punk / punk / alternative rock / garage rock type sound.

I'm using a Fender Mustang 1 amp at the moment, because I need a while to decide on a bigger, and more expensive amp, so that I can have something I'll be content with.

The two pick-ups I'm really debating on getting at the moment, are the Seymour Duncan Invader, and the Seymour Duncan JB. (Although It's apparent that the invader is quite unpopular among lots of people)

I need a good bit of power, a bit of a kick if you will. Which the Invader would be good for. But I'm worried that it's not very versatile, in-case of needing to play something less 'in your face'. I'm sure the Invader would get a good Blink-182 sound, due to Tom having used one n his Strats a while ago. (I prefer the sound of his strats to his Gibson)

I have trouble hearing the Invader's versatility due to any video I see of it being someone playing really heavy, metal or thrash (Which I do NOT play) or someone playing Blink-182 covers, which I know it can play.

However, the JB seems good, but worried about how much of a kick it can give. I've heard the high ends are quite brittle, and in fact I've heard people complain about it for that. But it seems like it can do lots of different styles.

I just need a little advice really. I'm not sure which is best for me, or if there are any others I should consider?

I'd like to hear from someone's experience of the Invader, will it be able to do anything other than really high gain stuff? Thanks!

- Ace
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A full-size uncovered PAF humbucker in a strat will almost certainly give you what you're looking for almost regardless of the model. In my limited experience with them GFS pickups were spectacular and inexpensive so I'm going to recommend those: GFS Humbuckers @ Guitar Fetish

Any of the "pat" style humbuckers would work (they mean PAF, but are dodging copyright violation). Similarly the VEH Vintage Extra Hot ("Brown Sound" - LOL @ VEH for EVH, :p) would probably work too with the right EQ.

I would stay away from the Invader given your amp. I feel like those require a really good amplifier front-end (preamp circuit) to sound decent. I have a friend that has an old Ibanez 72' Thinline Tele copy that has an invader in it (since before it was his and it's kinda inherited) and it sounds dead through most amps. It sounded decent through my Twin and I'm sure it would be glorious through a JCM 900 or something, but through the Jag 1 you're going to wish you'd done something else.

The JB is always a good choice. I believe my "f****d up" Tele has a JB in the bridge (since it has the SH-2 in the mid and they're often sold together) and it sounds like a wonderful Telecaster/Les Paul hybrid in that position. Which is a really handy tone.

Don't expect a world-breaking change since you're using a modeling amplifier, but it should really help. If nothing else the switch from a single coil (is it?) to a Humbucker in the bridge will go a long way on it's own.
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Acechao111
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Thanks for the advice, I'll check that stuff out. Nah I have a humbucker, but it's the Fender stock humbucker, and it isn't amazing.

Reason I though of the JB and the Invader is due to bands I like using them and lots of people recommending them.

I'll have a look at your suggestion now.
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I've used an Invader for quite some time for this exact style of music. That's what early Blink stuff used as well. It really sounds great for all the crunchy distorted stuff, but the clean isn't too versatile. I mean, you may like it still, but it's not smooth by any means. I'd have a cleaner neck pickup for that stuff. But really, for a great Blink or Green Day sound, you can't go wrong with the Invader.
Acechao111
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Yeah I understand that the cleans aren't very good on it. I doubt I'll be playing much, if any clean with it though.

I'm just wandering if it still sounds good when you're not playing full overdriven stuff.

Will it only be able to play heavier, chunkier stuff? or can you tame it a little?

I'll pretty much always be using a decent amount of gain though, no matter what I play.
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I guess a better way to put it is;

Because it's really, a metal pickup, is everything I play with it going to sound heavy and chunky?
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I'd just save your money. You won't get much a difference if you're playing through Mustang 1.

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Acechao111
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Eventually I plan to get a bigger, better amp. But I'm taking my time with that decision.
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Just a thought- have you considered a HB-sized P-90 in the bridge?

For example, the Bareknuckle Mississippi Queen or Stockholm P-90s* deliver some nice cleans, but can get crunchy when you need them to be. Those- or something like them- could be a good option for tonal flexibility without having to worry as much about them being "too metal."

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/main/pickups.php?cat=p90s&sub=humbucker_sized_p90s&pickup=mississippi_queen

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/main/pickups.php?cat=p90s&sub=humbucker_sized_p90s&pickup=stockholm

Or maybe a SD P-Rail?
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/medium-output/prails_shpr1/


* I'm going to be using a Stockholm in the neck of a HB/P-90 upgrade.
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krehzeekid
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Quote by Acechao111
Eventually I plan to get a bigger, better amp. But I'm taking my time with that decision.


if you're doing that, I would stay away from the really polarizing pickups like the Invader. It's not as bad a pickup as some make it out to be, but it definitely is a high-output and compressed sounding pickup. The JB is a little more versatile than the Invader, and it's a standard "good choice upgrade" pickup.

I would also consider:

- Dimarzio Super Distortion: lots of punk guys (especially with heavier tones) have used this pickup. It's not as hot as the SD's, but it's definitely a hot pickup and it's ballsy.
-Dimarzio Tone Zone: this would be my pick if you haven't chosen an amp. It's definitely hot, but it behaves a little more like a PAF than other high-output units. Very clear sounding, but still good dynamic response and it can handle all sorts of other styles.
- Duncan Custom: A lot like the tone Zone, but a bit warmer and smoother sounding. A fairly neutral sounding pickup in the sense that it doesn't colour tone too much. Despite being a neutral sounding pickup, it is a very good pickup and definitely will be a huge improvement over most any stock pickup.


Keep in mind though, that with that amp you really won't hear the benefit of a good pickup. it just isn't going to happen regardless of how good the pickup is. you may be better off getting a better amp first and then tailoring your pickups to it (you're almost buying new tires for a car you don't own- and haven't driven- yet)
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Acechao111
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Fair enough, thanks a lot for that advice, it's definitely more for me to consider. I've seen people be told the same thing with regards to amps online.

Tbh, I'm fairly clueless about amps. Not sure where I'd start. I plan to be gigging eventually, so volume and sturdiness has to be taken into account.

But it's kinda hard to decide on an amp, and I don't get the chance to really try out any amps. It seems like a lot of the bigger amps will be very expensive too.
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Quote by Acechao111
Fair enough, thanks a lot for that advice, it's definitely more for me to consider. I've seen people be told the same thing with regards to amps online.

Tbh, I'm fairly clueless about amps. Not sure where I'd start. I plan to be gigging eventually, so volume and sturdiness has to be taken into account.

But it's kinda hard to decide on an amp, and I don't get the chance to really try out any amps. It seems like a lot of the bigger amps will be very expensive too.


well, lets start with a few questions:

- What is your amp budget?
- What amps have you tried?
- Which guitarists tone do you like and why?
- What genres do you want to play? What sounds do you need (cleans, distortions)
- Are you willing to go used? If so, where do you live?
- Any good shops around you?
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Acechao111
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Quote by krehzeekid
well, lets start with a few questions:

- What is your amp budget?
- What amps have you tried?
- Which guitarists tone do you like and why?
- What genres do you want to play? What sounds do you need (cleans, distortions)
- Are you willing to go used? If so, where do you live?
- Any good shops around you?



I could be flexible for something that will last me a long time, and will be worth my money. I can save up. I'd make my budget according to how prices go. But I see some crazy expensive amps, like 700£+

I've only tried the Fender Mustang 1, Line6 spider something-or-other, and a really cheap and small practise amp. All small amps.

I like Tom DeLonge's Strat tone in Take of your pants and jacket especially, because it's beefy, but still nice and hot. Nice palm mute sounds, power chords sound nice and big and still nice high ends.
I also like Billy-Joe Armstrong's tone especially in Dookie. It's hard to explain why, it's just a nice sound, great tone. Not as beefy. Check Basket case or Welcome to paradise.
I also like Mami Sasazaki's tone from SCANDAL (Lead guitar, strat), although it's more pop-ish. It's like more of a thin sound, still distorted.
Also like the sound from bands like Anti-Flag, Billy Talent, Sum41, Good charlotte, Some of Simple plan's stuff, and Foo Fighters.

I wanna play things like pop-punk, punk, alternative rock, garage rock, pop rock, that sort of thing. Won't really be playing metal, or things like blues or jazz, or classic rock.
I'll be needing distortion, cleans occasionally (which don't need to be pristine, it's fine if they're quite dirty sounding) sometimes delay for things like Angels & Airwaves. That's pretty much all I use atm.

Yes, so long as I can know it's been treated well, and In south west Wales, UK.

There's one good shop, I know the guy who runs it from visiting for strings, string cleaner, and I bought both my amp and my strat from there. It's not a huge shop but he gets stuff in. He ordered my Fender in from the factory, and made sure it was set up right for me.

Sorry if I waffled a bit too much, just trying to be somewhat thorough for my limited knowledge.
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Out of the two pups you listed i'd go with the JB. I find that it's alot easier to tame compared to the Invader, which i found to be way too much.

Another thing to consider is that alot of the guys you listed have spent thousands of pounds on the backline. And what you're hearing on the albums(especially Dookie), is multi tracked guitars. Youre not going to be able to achieve those tones with the Mustang 1.

Take your guitar and try some mesa's or marshalls or whatever, I think you'll be suprised about how much better It'll sound with the stock pickup.
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Quote by Acechao111
I could be flexible for something that will last me a long time, and will be worth my money. I can save up. I'd make my budget according to how prices go. But I see some crazy expensive amps, like 700£+

I've only tried the Fender Mustang 1, Line6 spider something-or-other, and a really cheap and small practise amp. All small amps.

I like Tom DeLonge's Strat tone in Take of your pants and jacket especially, because it's beefy, but still nice and hot. Nice palm mute sounds, power chords sound nice and big and still nice high ends.
I also like Billy-Joe Armstrong's tone especially in Dookie. It's hard to explain why, it's just a nice sound, great tone. Not as beefy. Check Basket case or Welcome to paradise.
I also like Mami Sasazaki's tone from SCANDAL (Lead guitar, strat), although it's more pop-ish. It's like more of a thin sound, still distorted.
Also like the sound from bands like Anti-Flag, Billy Talent, Sum41, Good charlotte, Some of Simple plan's stuff, and Foo Fighters.

I wanna play things like pop-punk, punk, alternative rock, garage rock, pop rock, that sort of thing. Won't really be playing metal, or things like blues or jazz, or classic rock.
I'll be needing distortion, cleans occasionally (which don't need to be pristine, it's fine if they're quite dirty sounding) sometimes delay for things like Angels & Airwaves. That's pretty much all I use atm.

Yes, so long as I can know it's been treated well, and In south west Wales, UK.

There's one good shop, I know the guy who runs it from visiting for strings, string cleaner, and I bought both my amp and my strat from there. It's not a huge shop but he gets stuff in. He ordered my Fender in from the factory, and made sure it was set up right for me.

Sorry if I waffled a bit too much, just trying to be somewhat thorough for my limited knowledge.


700 GBP isn't an expensive amp. many of us here have paid 5-10 times that...

anyways, considering what you've stated, here are some ideas:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/jet_city_amplification_jca5012_combo.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_valve_king_112_gitarrencombo.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_lc30112n.htm

also keep your eyes peeled for a used Bad Cat Cougar 50 or a used Orange TH30 combo.

obviously, there are many more amps out there, but these are good places to start. check out on-line review (better yet, try them in person) and see what you think.
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dannyalcatraz
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700 GBP isn't an expensive amp. many of us here have paid 5-10 times that...


"Many?"



What amps are "many people" on UG buying for £3500-7000?
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krehzeekid
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a few of us... sorry.

think about a mesa halfstack though- it's not uncommon and it's pretty close to that sort of money.

somebody with a diezel or Engl rig has easily spent as much on their amp as some of us will on a car (actually, my amp is worth double what my truck is...)
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Quote by Acechao111

I like Tom DeLonge's Strat tone in Take of your pants and jacket especially, because it's beefy, but still nice and hot. Nice palm mute sounds, power chords sound nice and big and still nice high ends.
The mesa boogie triple rectifier and lots of studio processing have way more to do with that sound than the pickup.
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a few of us... sorry.


OK- that's cool.

I was trying to rectify all the threads I've seen on UG with people looking for guitars under $500 with the concept of a bunch of them playing through $11,000 amps!
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Try either a Gibson P-94 or a Dirty Finger.
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As a huge Tom Delonge fan, I have an Epi Dot with a Dirty Fingers humbucker in. For some reason, when I record my guitars, the DF just doesn't sound as good as whatever the humbucker in my RS530 Ibanez is to me, which is weird and almost certainly because I can't run it through any of the long list of expensive gear Tom does.
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Quote by Acechao111
Eventually I plan to get a bigger, better amp. But I'm taking my time with that decision.


Then buy a new pickup when you get a new amp. You have no idea what amp characteristics you'll like/hate until you get it. That is what you really need to be choosing a pickup based on.

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Quote by krehzeekid
700 GBP isn't an expensive amp. many of us here have paid 5-10 times that...

anyways, considering what you've stated, here are some ideas:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/jet_city_amplification_jca5012_combo.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_valve_king_112_gitarrencombo.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_lc30112n.htm

also keep your eyes peeled for a used Bad Cat Cougar 50 or a used Orange TH30 combo.

obviously, there are many more amps out there, but these are good places to start. check out on-line review (better yet, try them in person) and see what you think.


Okay thanks for the advice there, and yeah I understand some people dish out a lot of money on their amps, and that's cool, but at the moment I don't have a great deal of money, although I'm willing to save up. I like the look of the Peavy valve king 112 a lot!

I often get confused with all the terms related to amps, like you have tube amps, combos, stacks, cabs, etc.

What kind of amp am I looking for? and what sort of watt for sufficient volume to gig with usually?

Thanks for the help
Acechao111
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and thanks to everyone so far for the pick-up advice, the JB & Invader are still my considerations, but I think I will end up leaving it until I get an amp.

I have no idea how much better the sound will be when I get a nicer, and bigger amp, so maybe I'll be surprised?

I think I'll probably end up looking into amps for a little bit, and trying to learn more about amps and what amps will be good for me!
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Quote by Acechao111
Okay thanks for the advice there, and yeah I understand some people dish out a lot of money on their amps, and that's cool, but at the moment I don't have a great deal of money, although I'm willing to save up. I like the look of the Peavy valve king 112 a lot!

I often get confused with all the terms related to amps, like you have tube amps, combos, stacks, cabs, etc.

What kind of amp am I looking for? and what sort of watt for sufficient volume to gig with usually?

Thanks for the help


so, a combo is an amp with both the amplifier and speaker(s) in an integrated unit. A head is the amplifier part without the speakers. The cab (cabinet) is the part of the amp that houses the speaker- it could be integrated or separate. 112, 412, 212: these refer to the number and size of speakers- those would indicate 1, 2 or 4 12" speakers. a half-stack is a head with a cab, a stack is a head with 2 412 cabs.

to learn about valve (tube) amps, google it. the explanations on the web are nice and thorough. I recommended tube amps because they're generally regarded as being better sounding and have better feel.

The amps I suggested are actually quite similar. they're all medium sized combo's with 30-50 watts (more than enough to compete with a drummer- there is more to volume than watts), which is plenty for a gig. I was looking for 2 channel amps, so that you can have a dirty channel and a clean channel. Trying to keep the amps nice and simple too.

I actually play a valveking 112 sometimes (my brothers' amp), and it's pretty good. It isn't the fanciest amp in the world, but it does sound and feel better than most of the amps it's competing against. it has good sound, good distortion and good feel, and it costs the same as most modelling amps.
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Acechao111
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Quote by krehzeekid
so, a combo is an amp with both the amplifier and speaker(s) in an integrated unit. A head is the amplifier part without the speakers. The cab (cabinet) is the part of the amp that houses the speaker- it could be integrated or separate. 112, 412, 212: these refer to the number and size of speakers- those would indicate 1, 2 or 4 12" speakers. a half-stack is a head with a cab, a stack is a head with 2 412 cabs.

to learn about valve (tube) amps, google it. the explanations on the web are nice and thorough. I recommended tube amps because they're generally regarded as being better sounding and have better feel.

The amps I suggested are actually quite similar. they're all medium sized combo's with 30-50 watts (more than enough to compete with a drummer- there is more to volume than watts), which is plenty for a gig. I was looking for 2 channel amps, so that you can have a dirty channel and a clean channel. Trying to keep the amps nice and simple too.

I actually play a valveking 112 sometimes (my brothers' amp), and it's pretty good. It isn't the fanciest amp in the world, but it does sound and feel better than most of the amps it's competing against. it has good sound, good distortion and good feel, and it costs the same as most modelling amps.


So a combo amp is probably what I'll be wanting to get? okay I'll look up tube amps online to see what they have to say

If it has a clean and distorted channel, would I be able to use a footswitch to change between the two? I have a fender footswitch to change between the presets on the mustang.

How will the sound usually differ from amp to amp? Like would one amp give a nicer tone than another or what?
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Quote by Acechao111
So a combo amp is probably what I'll be wanting to get? okay I'll look up tube amps online to see what they have to say

If it has a clean and distorted channel, would I be able to use a footswitch to change between the two? I have a fender footswitch to change between the presets on the mustang.

How will the sound usually differ from amp to amp? Like would one amp give a nicer tone than another or what?


A combo amp would probably be the best bet. They simplify everything and usually offer better value.

Most of the time, 2+ channel amps will offer footswitching between the channels. A rare few don't, but that's certainly the exception.

Amps will differ tremendously. Until you go and play a couple of different amps, you can't really begin to comprehend how different they sound. Just as importantly, particularly with tube amps, is how the amp FEELS. different amps respond to your playing dynamics differently, so you may find that you prefer certain types of amps over one another (hence my suggestions showing a number of ideas)
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How will the sound usually differ from amp to amp? Like would one amp give a nicer tone than another or what?


"Nice" is subjective; amps by different makers will sound different, sometimes amazingly so.

My goal when buying my first (and so far, only) amp was to get the cleanest clean sound I could get to allow the unique tonal values of my pedals & guitars come through. I tried a lot, and had to decide between a Fender, a Vox and a Peavey. The Peavey kept giving me "ice pick" sounds when playing certain tunes- why, I have no idea. The Vox was sweet, but ultimately, the 40w Fender HRD 1x12 won out.

But now I want to play some heavier stuff, and the Fender simply doesn't distort well enough for metal without a LOT of work. So now I'm looking at makers like Orange.
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Quote by krehzeekid
A combo amp would probably be the best bet. They simplify everything and usually offer better value.

Most of the time, 2+ channel amps will offer footswitching between the channels. A rare few don't, but that's certainly the exception.

Amps will differ tremendously. Until you go and play a couple of different amps, you can't really begin to comprehend how different they sound. Just as importantly, particularly with tube amps, is how the amp FEELS. different amps respond to your playing dynamics differently, so you may find that you prefer certain types of amps over one another (hence my suggestions showing a number of ideas)


Thanks that really cleared things up for me! Especially telling me how I should see how the amp feels. I will try and play some different amps, although I don't have the luxury of big guitar shops where I live. But I'll see what I can do!
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
"Nice" is subjective; amps by different makers will sound different, sometimes amazingly so.

My goal when buying my first (and so far, only) amp was to get the cleanest clean sound I could get to allow the unique tonal values of my pedals & guitars come through. I tried a lot, and had to decide between a Fender, a Vox and a Peavey. The Peavey kept giving me "ice pick" sounds when playing certain tunes- why, I have no idea. The Vox was sweet, but ultimately, the 40w Fender HRD 1x12 won out.

But now I want to play some heavier stuff, and the Fender simply doesn't distort well enough for metal without a LOT of work. So now I'm looking at makers like Orange.


Oh, I get you!
Well do you think I'd be better off getting the pedals I need and stuff, or will amps usually provide a sufficient drive/distortion on their own? Or does it differ?
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Quote by Acechao111
Oh, I get you!
Well do you think I'd be better off getting the pedals I need and stuff, or will amps usually provide a sufficient drive/distortion on their own? Or does it differ?


it really differs. Amp distortion and pedal distortion often sound and feel completely different. Personally, I cannot use distortion pedals for the bulk of my gain- it just feels off. I do use a tubescreamer clone to boost the signal a bit when I play with single coils, but my amp does most of the work.

in your case, it will really depend on which amp you pick. The amps I suggested have good distortion (One of the reasons I liked them), but you may find that you really like something like an HRD or AC30. your best bet is to go to shops and play!
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it really differs. Amp distortion and pedal distortion often sound and feel completely different. Personally, I cannot use distortion pedals for the bulk of my gain- it just feels off. I do use a tubescreamer clone to boost the signal a bit when I play with single coils, but my amp does most of the work.

in your case, it will really depend on which amp you pick. The amps I suggested have good distortion (One of the reasons I liked them), but you may find that you really like something like an HRD or AC30. your best bet is to go to shops and play!


Last time I checked there weren't many amps in the local shop, probably due to no space to put them, that could be awkward for me.
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Anyone got any experience with these?

http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Laney-LV300T-120w-2-x-12-Tube-Combo-Amp/H0Y

I've just been looking round and I couldn't believe the price of this for what it is. But does anyone know if they're any good?


it's pretty crappy. It's a hybrid amp, not a tube amp, and only features 1 tube in the pre-amp stage. they sound just awful though.

keep in mind, that more features and more power does not for a second mean a better amp. you'll have way more luck in the 30-50 watt range- which is plenty loud for gigging (120 watts- especially from a full tube amp- is utterly deafening)
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Quote by krehzeekid
it's pretty crappy. It's a hybrid amp, not a tube amp, and only features 1 tube in the pre-amp stage. they sound just awful though.

keep in mind, that more features and more power does not for a second mean a better amp. you'll have way more luck in the 30-50 watt range- which is plenty loud for gigging (120 watts- especially from a full tube amp- is utterly deafening)


Oh okay fair enough:3 So, 50watt will usually be more than enough? 1 x 12 right?

what difference does it makes, and is it better, if it's like 2 x 12, or 4 x 12? Something to do with the speakers right?
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My 40w HRD has never seen the high side of 5- unless you're headlining a world tour, 50w is enough.
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My 40w HRD has never seen the high side of 5- unless you're headlining a world tour, 50w is enough.


Fair enough hehe. I've never heard anything bigger than 20 watt, not a tube amp, i've never heard a tube amp.

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Fair enough hehe. I've never heard anything bigger than 20 watt, not a tube amp, i've never heard a tube amp.

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a 20watt solid-state modelling amp (what you have) is going to be a lot quieter than a 50 watt tube amp. a lot.

as for the speaker configurations, a 1x12 (a single 12" speaker) should be sufficient. For practice, I use either a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (40 watts, 1x12) or an Mesa Dual Rec through a 1x12 (50 watt mode), and it's more than enough to keep up with an aggressive drummer without going much beyond 3-5 on the volume knob.

when you play a tube amp, you'll most likely be amazed at what you've been missing.
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Quote by krehzeekid
a 20watt solid-state modelling amp (what you have) is going to be a lot quieter than a 50 watt tube amp. a lot.

as for the speaker configurations, a 1x12 (a single 12" speaker) should be sufficient. For practice, I use either a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (40 watts, 1x12) or an Mesa Dual Rec through a 1x12 (50 watt mode), and it's more than enough to keep up with an aggressive drummer without going much beyond 3-5 on the volume knob.

when you play a tube amp, you'll most likely be amazed at what you've been missing.


That's cool Yeah hopefully I will be surprised at the sound I get from it.
Would you be happy to gig with either of those amps?