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One of my firend talked me about ENGL amps, I checked review, checked videos on youtube, and everyone is saying they are wonderfull amps. I tried a cupple of them and they are. Before buying one, is there anything bad you head about?
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they are pretty expensive.
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Price. Buy used.
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some people think they sound a bit "processed" for want of a better word. And some (e.g. the older 60 watt fireball, arguably the powerball too) are sorta one-trick ponies. that being said, the versatile ones are really, really versatile. EDIT: there's also talk, on occasion, of some of the models not cutting through in a live setting.
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some people think they sound a bit "processed" for want of a better word. And some (e.g. the older 60 watt fireball, arguably the powerball too) are sorta one-trick ponies. that being said, the versatile ones are really, really versatile. EDIT: there's also talk, on occasion, of some of the models not cutting through in a live setting.

Yes, E670! Very versatile and sounds huge.
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They sound so awesome, you may never be able to play anything else. That could be an issue if you lose your job.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
some people think they sound a bit "processed" for want of a better word. And some (e.g. the older 60 watt fireball, arguably the powerball too) are sorta one-trick ponies. that being said, the versatile ones are really, really versatile. EDIT: there's also talk, on occasion, of some of the models not cutting through in a live setting.


I agree.

The ENGL that I REALLY love though is the E530 preamp, does all sorts of metal right, and in a very organic way.

But yeah, shit's expensive.
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I haven't mixed a band or heard one play live using an ENGL that could cut through on stage.
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There's that whole "can't cut through a mix" business. I know nothing about that or if it's true or bullshit, but I've read about it in more than one place.
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I have the V1 Powerball and its really versatile. Keeping in mind i have a formidable pedalboard to assist that, but theyre stellar amps. Scored a used one for $1350.
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I haven't played one but I've seen a few bands live that cut through pretty well.
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I know that they are expensive, but at a small shop near where I live, he sells them at a very good price
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Quote by Offworld92
There's that whole "can't cut through a mix" business. I know nothing about that or if it's true or bullshit, but I've read about it in more than one place.

I played a friend's E670 for about 2 hours in band practice and it gave me GAS. The feel reminded me of the RoadKing II with a better top Mid. It cuts. The Herbert is tougher to dial.
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They sound a bit sterile to me, but I've never played one myself.
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I haven't mixed a band or heard one play live using an ENGL that could cut through on stage.



Then the bands you mix need to learn how to EQ properly...

All the ENGL I have played cut like a ****ing knife if you do it properly. They just need mids to be a bit higher than usual, as opposed to the usual "0" for uber br00tz metal.

The Steve Morse I had is probably the best amp I have ever used.
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Yes, E670! Very versatile and sounds huge.


yeah the SE is up there with my favourite amps ever

only problem was the price- you could get two to three killer amps for the same price.

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There's that whole "can't cut through a mix" business. I know nothing about that or if it's true or bullshit, but I've read about it in more than one place.


yeah i have no idea either if it's true or not
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There's that whole "can't cut through a mix" business. I know nothing about that or if it's true or bullshit, but I've read about it in more than one place.


as far as i'm concerned its people being an idiot about EQ'ing

i've played loads of amps that apparently don't cut through the mix in a band situation and theres nothing wrong with them. You need to get the mids in the right place, same with most amps, and ENGLs don't have THAT much in the mid range anyway in comparison to other amps.

on topic for TS ENGL make some great amps, the SE is still one of my favourite amps out there. Which model are you looking at in particular?? If you liked the one you played and it does all you need it to then i say go for it
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I haven't mixed a band or heard one play live using an ENGL that could cut through on stage.


Then they can't setup their amps. I've used 3 different engls live and they all cut just fine. 60W fireball has mids at 10, but it cuts fine. Savage and e530 both cut through with any mid setting.

Right now me and the other guitarist are now using engl's (mostly) and have no issues with guitars cutting.
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WTF does that even mean if you haven't played one?


I've heard a bunch of them but haven't played one myself. That's why I used "but". I could definitely be wrong.
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Then they can't setup their amps. I've used 3 different engls live and they all cut just fine. 60W fireball has mids at 10, but it cuts fine. Savage and e530 both cut through with any mid setting.

Right now me and the other guitarist are now using engl's (mostly) and have no issues with guitars cutting.

You're both using Engls? Of course they cut through each other, you aren't competing with a 2203.

I j/k. Some people can't dial in a 2203 to cut through a mix either. It's called user error.
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as far as i'm concerned its people being an idiot about EQ'ing

i've played loads of amps that apparently don't cut through the mix in a band situation and theres nothing wrong with them. You need to get the mids in the right place, same with most amps, and ENGLs don't have THAT much in the mid range anyway in comparison to other amps.

on topic for TS ENGL make some great amps, the SE is still one of my favourite amps out there. Which model are you looking at in particular?? If you liked the one you played and it does all you need it to then i say go for it


I'm looking for the screamer (combo) or a powerball head, but I can't afford the Head + cabinets. I never tried just playing on a head, will I lose sound quality?

I'm mainly playing instrumental rock (satch, vai) and 80s thrash-death-power-prof-heavy metal (death, megadeth, dream theater, iron maiden, death angel, iron maiden, stratovarius, Holy Grail, living colour, children of boddom, impelliteri...etc)

I'm really searching a powerfull sound, and ENGL are just the "powerfullest/mightyest amps I ever tried
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I'm looking for the screamer (combo) or a powerball head, but I can't afford the Head + cabinets. I never tried just playing on a head, will I lose sound quality?

I'm mainly playing instrumental rock (satch, vai) and 80s thrash-death-power-prof-heavy metal (death, megadeth, dream theater, iron maiden, death angel, iron maiden, stratovarius, Holy Grail, living colour, children of boddom, impelliteri...etc)

I'm really searching a powerfull sound, and ENGL are just the "powerfullest/mightyest amps I ever tried


the ENGL is going to be a good shout then, its EL34 based so for the classic 80s thrash stuff it will sound great, and its will excel at the modern high gain stuff you're looking at. If you can save up and get a head + cab, it gives you far more versatility and despite what you think will actually save your back in the future (tube combos weigh a LOAD). My 2 cents would be save up and get a Powerball and a decent 2x12 cab to go with it
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Quote by shredftw
the ENGL is going to be a good shout then, its EL34 based so for the classic 80s thrash stuff it will sound great, and its will excel at the modern high gain stuff you're looking at. If you can save up and get a head + cab, it gives you far more versatility and despite what you think will actually save your back in the future (tube combos weigh a LOAD). My 2 cents would be save up and get a Powerball and a decent 2x12 cab to go with it


If i play with just the head for a moment, will it sound good?
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no, you'll kill the amp. you need speakers or you get no sound and a dead amp.
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One of my firend talked me about ENGL amps, I checked review, checked videos on youtube, and everyone is saying they are wonderfull amps. I tried a cupple of them and they are. Before buying one, is there anything bad you head about?

No offense but that is one of the worst OP's I've ever read. I'm hoping English is not your first language because that would explain some of it.

Try this method instead.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1387138

OT: the Fireball I played had a nice organic heavy metal tone to it.
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They're great amps!
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You're both using Engls? Of course they cut through each other, you aren't competing with a 2203.

I j/k. Some people can't dial in a 2203 to cut through a mix either. It's called user error.


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The 60w fireball also hung with my old boogie mark IV in the mix as well.
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Engl Fireball 100 is pretty great for the price