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I'm asking you a simple question, in your opinion.
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He's a showman who's been around for years, he's meant to be that way.
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skill-wise, i wouldn't say he is overrated; he is quite good. however, no matter how good you are, an ego as big as his is still unacceptable.
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Not really, he`s a good guitarist.
But it depends who you ask, some kids act like he`s a god, and that is overrating him.
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he's not really overrated, he did bring a new side to shred. However he's trapped himself in this neoclassical genre and if you've heard 4 or 5 of his songs, you've heard them all. And to boot he's got a big ego. I wouldn't say he's overrated though.
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Egocentric, i don't know, i think you'll need to know him personally to be able to judge about that.

Overrated.... people should really stop using that word. I'm a fan of Malmsteen, i like his music and i see virtuosity when he plays the guitar.

But for example, i don't like Slash. I don't like his music, and i can't hear what would make him so special.

But in the end they both have the ability to impress audience, and that audience gives them the "rating" they deserve.

But thats all just a matter of taste, i would just never call a guitarist overrated.
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he is skilled.but his songs are always same...they are like polyphonic ringtones !! usually beginners overrate him.he is good but there are lots of shredders.
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Quote by Jmoarguitar
he's not really overrated, he did bring a new side to shred. However he's trapped himself in this neoclassical genre and if you've heard 4 or 5 of his songs, you've heard them all. And to boot he's got a big ego. I wouldn't say he's overrated though.


I wouldn't say he's trapped himself, there's no doubt he loves what he does so I would very much call it a choice.

I've met someone who worked with him though... apparently he's a complete arsehole.
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He's really good but I can't say I like his music. He could be way better if he'd slow down and show some soul, I know he can. As a person, if I didn't know who he was and I saw him driving his Ferrari I'd think he was a complete laughable dick.
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He's really good but I can't say I like his music. He could be way better if he'd slow down and show some soul, I know he can.

I think he has soul, he does show more emotion than most shredders in his playing. but yeah, I agree with the first bit.
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I am primarily a blues guitarist, and he's not one of my favorites, but I think he does have a lot of soul, at least live. He's not up there bending notes and doing blues solos, but he seems to really love what he does and he has a passion in his playing I respect. He seems insufferable to be around though.
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Theres no soul to his playing. Shredders like guthrie govan are better, because theyre versatile and you can really feel the emotion in their music. Yngwie is just "how many notes can i fit in this bar" then "ill put a harmonized dual guitar solo here"
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Theres no soul to his playing.



I get so tired of seeing people post stupid statements like this.

How do you know if there is "soul" in his playing or not. Did you jump inside his body to see if he is putting his immortal spirit into the music or what?
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Because he doesnt play it in a way that is recognisable, it could be anyone playing it, where as with other artists, you tell its them playing. Anyone can sound like yngwie and play his songs in that way, but looking at artists like steve vai who has a pretty unique style of playing, not many people can make a guitar sound that way
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Most people seem completely ignorant to what he's all about, they hear one of his instrumental songs and think all he does is all out shred all the time. When in fact most of the time he plays conventional verse, chorus, verse songs with a vocalist.

I don't like to use the term overrated because I'm not arrogant enough to believe that because I don't like something no one else should. People are allowed to like what ever they want.


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Because he doesnt play it in a way that is recognisable, it could be anyone playing it, where as with other artists, you tell its them playing. Anyone can sound like yngwie and play his songs in that way, but looking at artists like steve vai who has a pretty unique style of playing, not many people can make a guitar sound that way


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Anyone can sound like yngwie and play his songs in that way



That statement is even more retarded than your other one about soul.

But since anyone can do it, lets see you shred some Yngwie...........

Oh, wait, you probably can't......


Much like your self, I prefer Govan over Malmsteen. I don't even listen to Malmsteen much at all. Not my thing.

But I don't think for one second that Yngwie puts any less heart and soul into his music than Govan.

Their styles are completely different.

You can put your all into the music weather its fast or slow. BPM has nothing to do with soul.
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I should rephrase that to could, but my point still stands
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I should rephrase that to could, but my point still stands


No actually, it really doesn't. You're arguing something entirely subjective as if it was an objective, measurable thing. Musical connection or 'soul' as you put it, is entirely in the ear of the listener. It may surprise you to know that Guthrie Govan has a lot of respect for Malmsteen because he thinks Malmsteen plays with more authenticity than most of the other people who have followed in his footsteps.

I would also suggest that if you think anyone can play like Malmsteen you take a few minutes to look around for someone who can, I for one cannot think of a single person who does what Yngwie does in the same way.

Also his vibrato and tone are amazing.

Now that I've said my piece... don't get in to this any more. There's nothing to be had down this road but flame wars and other such bullshit. Everyone please leave it alone.
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Theres no soul to his playing. Shredders like guthrie govan are better, because theyre versatile and you can really feel the emotion in their music. Yngwie is just "how many notes can i fit in this bar" then "ill put a harmonized dual guitar solo here"



This is a really poor example and a bad defense to stand behind because the "no soul in their playing" routine can be applied to anyone.

I'm not a particular fan of Yngwie, but to be blunt, just because a song doesn't evoke certain feelings in you has nothing to do with the artist; it has to do with you. For example, I listen to a lot of 'shredders' like Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Shawn Lane, getting more into Guthrie Govan, Jason Becker, and some Satch. They have some beautifully written songs; they also have a lot of songs that sound like a cacophony. But some of the songs I like by any of those players sound like a mess to other people I know who listen to them, and that flips the other way around to me as well. It depends on the receiving ear.

Also, to say that "anyone can sound like Malmsteen, but only Vai sounds like Vai" is also a rather stupid remark to make, because it's simply not true. I sure as hell can't sound like Malmsteen. How about you? Care to back that up with a personal example of you playing any of his material exactly the way he does? Because I can guarantee it isn't going to sound like him.

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I am primarily a blues guitarist, and he's not one of my favorites, but I think he does have a lot of soul, at least live. He's not up there bending notes and doing blues solos, but he seems to really love what he does and he has a passion in his playing I respect. He seems insufferable to be around though.


I utterly dislike Malmsteen's music but c'mon his string bending and vibrato skills are terrific.
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I utterly dislike Malmsteen's music but c'mon his string bending and vibrato skills are terrific.


He has a great vibrato and that wasn't meant to be derogatory, I was really just trying to say he's not playing what's often considered "soulful" playing.
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Yngwie created an original sound by taking a little of what Richie Blackmore was doing and going way beyond that in terms of combining classical with rock sensibilities.

As far as him being overrated, how do you rate musicians and music to begin with? If you like the genre he's fantastic. If you've looking for someone that plays for the song and is subtle move along.

I like his playing, still enjoy it and really loved it when I heard it as a teenager because of the fantastic energy in his runs, the exaggerated vibrato and the way he used the trem bar as well.
The only negative thing i would say is that for me, when you've heard a couple of his albums you pretty much know what you're gonna get and lyrically it can be rather silly. But again if you want lyrics like Bob Dylan you listen to Bob Dylan. I still like his most melodic material the best, so my faves would be the albums Rising Force and Eclipse.

As far as being egotistic, when he was 20 and the big guitar hero was upon him, I'm sure he enjoyed the ride and part of the bravado that goes with the image is playing the part, being brash and over-confident so who knows.

I met him at a NAMM show a few years back and he was a pretty funny guy. In recent years he seems to take himself a little less seriously, which considering the puffy shirts is probably for the best

One final thought for me is that we need larger than life characters in music. Sometimes you want to see everyday people playing music, but other times you want to be really entertained by something different and Yngwie is an original.
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Yngwie created an original sound by taking a little of what Richie Blackmore was doing and going way beyond that in terms of combining classical with rock sensibilities.


Uli Jon Roth did it first really Go listen to Sails of Charon by Scorpions; one of the most underratedly influential songs and guitarists of the electric era.

That said, Malmsteen was the one who really supercharged it and made it 'metal'; before him it was always more hard rock than anything else. And the speed of course, oh my sweet jebus the speed...
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Aye, Lord Malmsteen doth grace us with his refined and eloquent shredding!

For his shredded notes cascade'th over ye rhythms in his odes, just as ye shredded cheese cascade'th upon chips-o-tortilla and beans-o-pinto in ye southwestern dish of Nachos!

Whence ye banshee screams of a vocalist be'ith added to his hymns, tis as if ye nachos 'twere dusted with peppers most zesty!

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Yngwie is an interesting one,

Put yourself in the shoes of a young guitarist in the 1980's, You have guys like Van Halen and RR putting out amazing stuff, then suddenly a young guitarist from Sweden comes along and essentially creates a whole new style of playing over night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pc9C_D2ibM

Love him or hate him, you can't say he wasn't "great" in the mid eighties. His vibrato, picking and melodic sense were at a genius level, he was literally on another level.

Today it's a different story, he's become a parody of himself, kind of sad really.
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Agree with supernaugt about when YJM came on the scene. Bear in mind that he had an injury after a car accident which may have had some affect on his playing.

The man is legend and Rising Force is a brilliant album. His best IMO. His present day stuff is not atop the same standard. The album cover to Perpetual Flame says it all really.
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Theres no soul to his playing. Shredders like guthrie govan are better, because theyre versatile and you can really feel the emotion in their music. Yngwie is just "how many notes can i fit in this bar" then "ill put a harmonized dual guitar solo here"


Guthrie has said in interviews he admires Yngwie for all the passion he puts into his music, and he means every note he plays. A lot of the "Yngwie copycats" have seemed to have neglected that (Rusty Cooley)
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I've seen the argument that Yngwie is overrated made quite a lot in recent years, but if you put him in the proper context of his era (as Supernaut said), he is most certainly not overrated. At the time when Malmsteen first appeared, what he was doing was something new. Really, the nearest comparison you would have had at the time would likely have been Steve Hackett or Ritchie Blackmore, and they never did things with the degree of speed, intensity, and technicality that Malmsteen brought. As for his playing being soulless, well... abstracts like that really are in the mind of the listener, aren't they? I happen to find Guthrie Govan's playing sterile and boring, but that doesn't make it a factual statement for me to say that his playing has "no soul." So, really, stop with the "Guitarist X's playing is soulless, guitarist Y actually has soul and feeling in his music." It just makes you sound like a pretentious twat.
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Is Yngwie Malmsteen overrated and egocentric? I'm asking you a simple question, in your opinion.


Yes, and yes.
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I think Malmsteen is great one of my all time favorite musicians. His songwriting skills are way underrated. also BTW he is coming out with a book about his life. Comes out in May 2013

http://www.amazon.com/Relentless-Memoir-Yngwie-J-Malmsteen/dp/1118517717/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1359431310&sr=8-2&keywords=yngwie+malmsteen+relentless
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I enjoy the earlier works like Ill see the light and Rising force (more rock-based songs) than his classically-inspired pieces. And honestly, the guy can't play blues for crap.
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Yngwie's great I saw him open for Dio. He's way better than me. Yeah his vibrato is incredible.

I can't say he hasn't made some bad choices through his career though. Some people talk him up way too much, some people hate his guts. What else is there?
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I remember the first 'Yngwie' I ever came across (consciously) was actually played by Dave Kilminster on a guitar magazine CD, and from there I had to get the YM collection. Holy cow. I actually struggle to think of anyone who made me feel that same sense of bewilderment. Of course that was when I hadn't been playing long and I hadn't come across the other big shredders, but still- whilst ridiculous in many ways, I find his playing immensely satisfying (on his earlier albums at least).

Unfortunately I just can't get that feeling from his later work and the whole Concerto Suite exercise seemed a little off to me. I spent my college years defending him as honestly, his music did mark a rapid change in direction in my tastes! But damn he can really play.

It's tempting to say 'wouldn't it be great if he played guitar with [insert great band's name here]', but I think he needs to be over the top- that's his style and his personality and to contain it would spoil the fun, not to mention being impossible. So I salute Yngwie, for having the strength of mind to play how he wants to play, and doing it very, very well!
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I think Yngwie is really good, but does have an ego. Saying things like "I don't ever practice", which kind of shows he doesn't have a lot of passion. I think their are guitarists like Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Guthrie Govan, etc., that care so much more about how they play and their attitude about their skill. Like Satch, Vai, and Govan are always saying they want to get better. But Yngwie doesn't really care, it seems like he's given up caring about what he sounds/looks like.
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I think Yngwie is really good, but does have an ego. Saying things like "I don't ever practice", which kind of shows he doesn't have a lot of passion. I think their are guitarists like Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Guthrie Govan, etc., that care so much more about how they play and their attitude about their skill. Like Satch, Vai, and Govan are always saying they want to get better. But Yngwie doesn't really care, it seems like he's given up caring about what he sounds/looks like.

Edit: Also, a LOT of his music sounds like the same thing over and over. As some people said.
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I can't stand Malsteens music but have to say techically he is a very good guitar player. Though I would rather listen to a million others before him.
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I just got back from seeing Yngwie perform at the Beale Street Music Festival in Memphis, and he was absolutely fantastic. Very goofy, but the energy in the performance was unbelievable, and he had three other amazing musicians to back him. Great show despite the low production value (his guitar tech would occasionally jump over and trigger a single fog machine).

Overrated? In his genre, not in the slightest. Anything outside that is apples to oranges. Egocentric? Definitely, although I've heard he's mellowed out a lot since his earlier years. But in my opinion, when you're that good at something you love, you can act however you want (within some degree of reason).

Also, anyone who thinks he lacks "soul", you must never have heard any of his blusey or slow tracks or passages. If you want to hear a robot, listen to Michael Angelo Batio. Also, you have to understand that a lot of the "soul" and feeling in Yngwie's style of music comes from the composition, not the actual playing. Although I'm not accusing anyone in particular, I believe the "no soul" argument is thrown around a lot by players who are looking for a reason not to acknowledge an aspect of guitar playing that they're lacking in.
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Egocentric, i don't know, i think you'll need to know him personally to be able to judge about that.

Overrated.... people should really stop using that word. I'm a fan of Malmsteen, i like his music and i see virtuosity when he plays the guitar.

But for example, i don't like Slash. I don't like his music, and i can't hear what would make him so special.

But in the end they both have the ability to impress audience, and that audience gives them the "rating" they deserve.

But thats all just a matter of taste, i would just never call a guitarist overrated.



Very good point. I like BOTH Slash and Yngwie, because they are BTH excellent musicians. Slash is pretty much the Jimmy Page of the 80s, and Yngwie is the Paganini of the 80s.