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#41
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We have universal healthcare and you have a fuckoff huge army and 5,000 nukes.


The nukes are relatively cheap, but the military is expensive. Maybe we should invade y'all, so you could get more benefit from your UHC and we get more from our military?
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#42
Quote by Diamond Dave
fair enough, you don't want to be dolling out cash willy nilly obviously. Not sure how your system works but I'll take your word for it.

Well it evolved from a reasonably innocent program to assist those that actually needed help, to a program used by the recent administrations to get the populace dependent upon the government as a re-election ploy, and also abused by many people who don't want to work.
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#43
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We certainly have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, I know that from here.

You could argue that our tax rate vs. our GDP isn't high compared to the rest of the world. However, the average American who makes $50k or more is probably paying roughly the same as the average person in the UK who makes 32k or more (in British pounds).


We have one of the lowest effective tax rates because of loopholes for the well to do.

>liberals in charge of understanding taxes
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#44
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We have universal healthcare and you have a fuckoff huge army and 5,000 nukes.

Why do you think your taxes are so high? Socialism requires stealing money from people who work and earn it so they can pay for their broken, idealistic policies.
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#45
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Ok so I don't understand, isn't the quote you posted FOR the increased taxes etc? It talks about the fiscal constrains (English isnt my first language and I can't really find out if it is for or against the policy.)


The quote I posted is essentially saying that right off the bat things will dip down. Unemployment will rise and GDP will decrease. But in the long run, over the course of the next five years or so, things will improve and unemployment will fall to around 5.5%. Basically, going off the cliff is the right solution in the long run. But everyone is concerned with immediate results now. Which will eventually be our downfall.

It's kind of like breaking up with your girlfriend. It sucks at first and you get really depressed, but eventually you're making more money and getting laid a lot more.
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#46
Quote by magnus_maximus
You mean like Bush who put in the massive tax cuts about to lead your country off a cliff?


You are backwards and idiotic. Not in an an hominem way, more "you have no bloody clue how a just society works and are a selfish bastardo".

Either that or you love being told by wealthy people that you're trash and should just work harder.

>Just society
>Steals money from hard-working citizens and uses it for shit that isn't working

Also, funny, I've never been told that. I mean yeah, it's nice to have a work ethic, I just have to assume you're a lazy, unemployed fuck, now.
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#47
Quote by StillSublime
So is pretty much everything else he does, but does anybody say anything? Nope.



Well, I was gonna complain about superlatives being thrown around, but you said 'pretty much else' rather than 'everything'. Still, claming that the sitting president has violated campaign law is not an old claim, nor is it typically levied by anyone with an objective view on the subject.


And yes, EVERYONE says things about shit like drone strikes. It was a bit of a thing in the run-up to the foreign policy debate, especially in conversation with libertarians and other 3rd party supporters.

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Well it evolved from a reasonably innocent program to assist those that actually needed help, to a program used by the recent administrations to get the populace dependent upon the government as a re-election ploy, and also abused by many people who don't want to work.





So just shut it down, I guess? I mean, one spoilt apple in a peck reduces the whole crop, right?
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#48
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Well, I was gonna complain about superlatives being thrown around, but you said 'pretty much else' rather than 'everything'. Still, claming that the sitting president has violated campaign law is not an old claim, nor is it typically levied by anyone with an objective view on the subject.


And yes, EVERYONE says things about shit like drone strikes. It was a bit of a thing in the run-up to the foreign policy debate, especially in conversation with libertarians and other 3rd party supporters.

He hasn't just violated campaign law, he's commited treason and dereliction of duty on various occasions. Benghazi and Fast and Furious come to mind.

I mean people that get taken seriously and aren't made fun of on a regular basis by imbeciles on television.
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#49
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I go to uni five days a week and work fridays and saturdays, paying a tax rate of 20% including National Insurance which pays for unemployment benefits and healthcare. Like most of the rest of the civilised world.

Wealth only exists because of common consent -everyone agreeing that a banker is worth more financially than a cleaner, regardless of worth. The wealthy are only there because society grants them wealth. They did not create that wealth themselves. Society gives them wealth and so the wealthy owe society a huge debt.
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#50
StillSublime is pretty much the epitome of angry and misinformed Paultard.
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#51
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You mean like Bush who put in the massive tax cuts about to lead your country off a cliff?


You are backwards and idiotic. Not in an an hominem way, more "you have no bloody clue how a just society works and are a selfish bastardo".

Either that or you love being told by wealthy people that you're trash and should just work harder.


Our recession was caused by mortgage fraud and sub prime mortgages, not the tax cuts. Don't try to act like you understand the fiscal problems here.

You could argue the debt was caused by the tax cuts, but it's more accurate to say the debt was caused by starting 2 wars, bailing out the banks, bailing out the auto industry and generally increasing spending all around.
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#53
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He hasn't just violated campaign law, he's commited treason and dereliction of duty on various occasions. Benghazi and Fast and Furious come to mind.

I mean people that get taken seriously and aren't made fun of on a regular basis by imbeciles on television.



F&F was a USDOJ initiative, Benghazi was in protest to a B-film that essentially slandered the Muslim tradition. The government is made up of more than one person, buddy.

There is a lot wrong with this president's record, but all I hear from the right are the same tired, and inexcusably incorrect, stories.
#54
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StillSublime is pretty much the epitome of angry and misinformed Paultard.
ErikLensherr is pretty much the epitome of an grammatical error.
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#56
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ErikLensherr is pretty much the epitome of an grammatical error.

Where?
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#58
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F&F was a USDOJ initiative, Benghazi was in protest to a B-film that essentially slandered the Muslim tradition. The government is made up of more than one person, buddy.

There is a lot wrong with this president's record, but all I hear from the right are the same tired, and inexcusably incorrect, stories.
Oh, so you're saying it's ok for a president to not know what his appointees are doing under his watch? And don't even get me started on that film bullshit, I can't believe you honestly think that's the cause. That's not even the point, Obama failed his men as Commander-in-Chief.

So your stories are correct, then? Don't make me laugh. You're trying to justify an act of war based on misinformation and disregard for the fact that men died because some Muslims got butthurt about Osama.

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That's funny...


An grammatical?
Thanks for the lolstack, you missed the point, man.
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#60
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he added the an because that's what the other guy left out...

That's not an error. If you're the epitome of "something," it's "something" as a general concept, not any specific case, so adding an article makes no sense.

StillSublime is about as competent at grammar as he is at politics.
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#62
-Tax increases for the rich
-Spend less or better: spend on stuff government actually needs to supply: public transport and utilities, education, safety (not the massive amounts they spend on the army though)
-Wait for the recession to blow over
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#63
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That's not an error. If you're the epitome of "something," it's "something" as a general concept, not any specific case, so adding an article makes no sense.

StillSublime is about as competent at grammar as he is at politics.

But you said Paultard, not Paultards.
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#65
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I'll agree to this, even if it implicates myself in the crime.

Hey, since I give zero ****s about politics, love screwing with the pit, and I get hypnotized by your avatar, can we agree to disagree and be bros?
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#66
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That's not an error. If you're the epitome of "something," it's "something" as a general concept, not any specific case, so adding an article makes no sense.

StillSublime is about as competent at grammar as he is at politics.

lol, no. Better check exactly what you said once more.
#67
Quote by StillSublime
But you said Paultard, not Paultards.


Paultard as in an annoying guy hopping a bandwagon and railing against moochers, "statists," the Fed, and bitching about how the media is biased against his guy and blah blah blah. You're not the epitome of any single Paultard or group of Paultards, but the idea of being a Paultard, that encompasses all those traits.
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#68
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The auto industry has started paying back the bailouts. Have the banks (genuine question)?

And that's what I'm saying. Tax cuts never spur on the economy, they just increase the deficit which was already massive due to the Iraq war and bailing out the banks (capitulizm ftw).


To my knowledge, when they struck the deal with the banks the basically gave them free reign over that money to do whatever they want to do with it, so no, I don't believe they will be paying it back.

Taxes absolutely affect the economy. Positively and negatively. We were running a surplus when Bush got into office. We could afford to reduce taxes, right up until the point where he started spending money like a teenager with daddy's credit card.
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#69
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Paultard as in an annoying guy hopping a bandwagon and railing against moochers, "statists," the Fed, and bitching about how the media is biased against his guy and blah blah blah. You're not the epitome of any single Paultard or group of Paultards, but the idea of being a Paultard, that encompasses all those traits.

Once again, you completely missed the point. You're an idiot. I don't even like Ron Paul, for that matter.
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#70
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Once again, you completely missed the point. You're an idiot. I don't even like Ron Paul, for that matter.


I got your point, your point was wrong (and irrelevant, for that matter), moving on...
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#71
Why do you people get so upset over nothing?
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#72
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I got your point, your point was wrong (and irrelevant, for that matter), moving on...
Oh hey, you saved the thread from derailment. Moving on to a new thread now.
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#73
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Oh hey, you saved the thread from derailment. Moving on to a new thread now.

Let's get it back on track. Start with sharing exactly where you got the idea that Obama used taxpayer money to illegally "fund his vicious ads" because that sounds like some tinfoil hat shit.
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#75
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path of least resistance

Sounds more like the path of most resistance. Not caring about a stupid comment costs less energy.
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#76
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Let's get it back on track. Start with sharing exactly where you got the idea that Obama used taxpayer money to illegally "fund his vicious ads" because that sounds like some tinfoil hat shit.

Because I like messing with magnus. I don't actually believe that, he fundraised like any normal person would.
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#77
Quote by magnus_maximus
America would have saved more money maintaining the surplus and paying off ancient debts imo.


Or we could have lowered taxes, allowing businesses and citizens to expand, and buy more stuff. On a global scale, lower taxes also make your country more attractive to do business in.

Why do you think the UK is trying to court French citizens who are prepared to make a mass exile if and when their 75% tax rates go into affect. Why do you think there are more corporations than people in Luxemburg?
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#78
Sell congress and their families into sex slavery.
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#80
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Sell congress and their families into sex slavery.


I call Michelle Bachman.

And Sara Palin's daughter.

...

And Newt Gingrich. Don't judge me.
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