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Convinced, my environmental policy professor has been discussing this all semester.

If scientists can crack shale-oil properly, its completely possible.

Middle East and Canada will not lose a lot of smoke, and oil prices will continue to increase, if analysts are correct, as asian oil use skyrockets. What could alter that though, is China has vast deposits of shale-oil.
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Lol if they lose their Western patronage the Saudi royal family is ****ed.
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#8
Dunno why people think we get all of our oil from the middle east. Most of our oil imports come from Mexico and Venezuela. The middle east could disappear today and the US wouldn't even blink. Our interest in keeping oil flowing out of the middle east has more to do with keeping Europe and Japan economically stable. That's not changing anytime soon.
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Dunno why people think we get all of our oil from the middle east. Most of our oil imports come from Mexico and Venezuela. The middle east could disappear today and the US wouldn't even blink. Our interest in keeping oil flowing out of the middle east has more to do with keeping Europe and Japan economically stable. That's not changing anytime soon.


Canada actually...
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Dunno why people think we get all of our oil from the middle east. Most of our oil imports come from Mexico and Venezuela. The middle east could disappear today and the US wouldn't even blink. Our interest in keeping oil flowing out of the middle east has more to do with keeping Europe and Japan economically stable. That's not changing anytime soon.


China imports Middle Eastern oil, which they use in the manufacture of plastics, which we import a lot of.

So we do consume Middle Eastern oil, just through a middleman.

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Dunno why people think we get all of our oil from the middle east. Most of our oil imports come from Mexico and Venezuela. The middle east could disappear today and the US wouldn't even blink. Our interest in keeping oil flowing out of the middle east has more to do with keeping Europe and Japan economically stable. That's not changing anytime soon.

Any disruption in the oil market affects the entire oil market, so our prices regardless of where we buy from would still skyrocket.
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Convinced, my environmental policy professor has been discussing this all semester.

If scientists can crack shale-oil properly, its completely possible.

Middle East and Canada will not lose a lot of smoke, and oil prices will continue to increase, if analysts are correct, as asian oil use skyrockets. What could alter that though, is China has vast deposits of shale-oil.

If Canada could put some more action into drilling in the arctic, we could actually access the world's largest reserves of natural gas while still drilling on our 2nd or 3rd largest global oil reserves. We won't run dry anytime soon, that's for ****ing sure. But we could last 10 times longer than we'd ever imagine if we put more serious thought into our jackpot up north.


All I keep hearing is we have a shit ton of oil and gas up north, like wayyy up north, yet it's like we just don't care about it. Meanwhile, Russia is sneaking in left right and center trying to suck us dry.
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Dunno why people think we get all of our oil from the middle east. Most of our oil imports come from Mexico and Venezuela. The middle east could disappear today and the US wouldn't even blink. Our interest in keeping oil flowing out of the middle east has more to do with keeping Europe and Japan economically stable. That's not changing anytime soon.


Although we get little from OPEC, all the OPEC buyers would move into our market, causing the price to go way the **** up.
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If Canada could put some more action into drilling in the arctic, we could actually access the world's largest reserves of natural gas while still drilling on our 2nd or 3rd largest global oil reserves. We won't run dry anytime soon, that's for ****ing sure. But we could last 10 times longer than we'd ever imagine if we put more serious thought into our jackpot up north.


All I keep hearing is we have a shit ton of oil and gas up north, like wayyy up north, yet it's like we just don't care about it. Meanwhile, Russia is sneaking in left right and center trying to suck us dry.

My opinion is artic oil drilling should be halted and stopped permanently until we can address how to clean up an oil spill in 4 degree water with icebergs and 6 months of darkness. We can't even manage in the most ideal water-area oil spill place there is (gulf of mexico).
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My opinion is artic oil drilling should be halted and stopped permanently until we can address how to clean up an oil spill in 4 degree water with icebergs and 6 months of darkness. We can't even manage in the most ideal water-area oil spill place there is (gulf of mexico).


Yeah, because drilling in the North Sea doesn't exist.

Just what we need, another know-nothing 'expert' with an opinion informed by ignorance.
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Yeah, because drilling in the North Sea doesn't exist.

Just what we need, another know-nothing 'expert' with an opinion informed by ignorance.

Reading comprehension fail. It does exist, that is why I included the word "halt". Here you go: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/halt?s=t

I have a good feeling I am far more educated on this matter than you are, and you didn't propose any solutions to the 3 issues I brought up.

/edit/ also I wasnt talking about the North Sea, I was talking about the Arctic.
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Reading comprehension fail. It does exist, that is why I included the word "halt". Here you go: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/halt?s=t

I have a good feeling I am far more educated on this matter than you are, and you didn't propose any solutions to the 3 issues I brought up.


Oooooh, an internet expert.....

I don't have a clue as to your education in regard to this issue or any other, but that just might be a bet you would lose.

The North Sea regulations are dramatically more stringent, both in regard to hardware and employee competence, than those in place in the GOM, even with the new SEMS and the upcoming SEMS 2 in place in the US GOM.

Had the US used the North Sea regulations, the Macondo incident would never have happened.

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/edit/ also I wasnt talking about the North Sea, I was talking about the Arctic.


The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.
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Oooooh, an internet expert.....

I don't have a clue as to your education in regard to this issue or any other, but that just might be a bet you would lose.

The North Sea regulations are dramatically more stringent, both in regard to hardware and employee competence, than those in place in the GOM, even with the new SEMS and the upcoming SEMS 2 in place in the US GOM.

Had the US used the North Sea regulations, the Macondo incident would never have happened.

The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.



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If Canada could put some more action into drilling in the arctic, we could actually access the world's largest reserves of natural gas while still drilling on our 2nd or 3rd largest global oil reserves. We won't run dry anytime soon, that's for ****ing sure. But we could last 10 times longer than we'd ever imagine if we put more serious thought into our jackpot up north.

If we (as in, the USA) started drilling in ANWR, then the US would probably greatly decrease its dependency on foreign oil. So, screw Canada taking over the Arctic.

For the record, drilling in the Arctic is a hot issue. Canada doesn't own the Arctic; no one really does. If they started drilling there without first establishing an international treaty, then there'd be in all kinds of shit. Is it stupid? Yes. But it's also reality.

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Reading comprehension fail. It does exist, that is why I included the word "halt". Here you go: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/halt?s=t

I have a good feeling I am far more educated on this matter than you are, and you didn't propose any solutions to the 3 issues I brought up.

/edit/ also I wasnt talking about the North Sea, I was talking about the Arctic.

So, are you a Petroleum Engineer? If not, stfu with that damn attitude. How exactly can you (knowing nothing about what Arby does or doesn't know on this issue) judge whether you know more about it? The pure arrogance of some posts...
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Oooooh, an internet expert.....

hypocrite


The North Sea regulations are dramatically more stringent, both in regard to hardware and employee competence, than those in place in the GOM, even with the new SEMS and the upcoming SEMS 2 in place in the US GOM.

Had the US used the North Sea regulations, the Macondo incident would never have happened.

Whether or not that may be true. With the most stringent of regulations, spills can and most academics prefer the word 'will' occur, and its response that then becomes what matters, and there is no framework for Arctic Oil response.

The gulf of mexico spill was the optimal area for response and quick cleanup, high population, calm water, warm water, relatively shallow water, and we all know how that ended up.



The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.

The use of ad hominems are showing your lack of argument.

Oil Depth
North Sea: Up to 2300ft
Arctic Ocean: Up to 5000 ft

Water Temperature
North Sea: 6-17 C
Arctic Ocean: Approximately 0-1 C

Polar Night
North Sea: null
Arctic Ocean: ~six months

Boat Traffic
Self Explanatory
Getting response to an issue will dramatically take longer in the Arctic

Ice cover is completely different as well.

Close Analogy my ass.


So, are you a Petroleum Engineer? If not, stfu with that damn attitude. How exactly can you (knowing nothing about what Arby does or doesn't know on this issue) judge whether you know more about it? The pure arrogance of some posts...
You could have directed that identical post to him.
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Yeah, because drilling in the North Sea doesn't exist.

Just what we need, another know-nothing 'expert' with an opinion informed by ignorance.



Last time i went to the coast i didn't see any icebergs floating around...

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The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.


See above, speaking of ignorance....
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FWIW, I've worked drilling rigs in both the North Sea and the US GOM, so my 'expertise' (such as it is) comes directly from that and nowhere else. I am not a petroleum engineer, nor do I play one on TV. (Nor, quite honestly, do I think that would be the best discipline to rely on for drilling safety, although it would be one of them...)

Are there additional considerations in the Arctic? Sure?

And I'll freely admit I should have qualified my North Sea / Arctic analog better, but the primary point remains, that the sky is NOT falling and offshore oil drilling remains safe and viable. Macondo, a single failure (albeit a big one), hardly mitigates the tens of thousands of wells that have been drilled offshore without incident.
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The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.

I highly doubt this. The North Sea is much shallower, and has a a better climate to work in.
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Christian Science huh?
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Seems a little silly, honestly.


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Hey, stupid; the Christian Science Monitor is an extremely well respected news source, up there with Reuters or the BBC. Its journalists have won multiple Pulitzers and it's widely regarded as fairly unbiased as US based sources go. It's not some kind of kooky propagandist newspaper.

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Hey, stupid; the Christian Science Monitor is an extremely well respected news source, up there with Reuters or the BBC. Its journalists have won multiple Pulitzers and it's widely regarded as fairly unbiased as US based sources go. It's not some kind of kooky propagandist newspaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christian_Science_Monitor


I actually looked into this website after I said that it seemed a little silly, and found it to be okay (I.E. lacking of kooky propagandist news).

I just decided to pick on Arby because he's being a dill-hole in his own thread...
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I just decided to pick on Arby because he's being a dill-hole in his own thread...


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