loop-de-luke
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Wondering if it's possible to stain a guitar body with actual red wine from a bottle? Has this been done? Any photos? I can't seem to find anything, only 'wine red stain' as in a stain that mimicks the colour of red wine...

Also, what's the easiest method for a DIY stain job of this kind? What will I need? I'm after this kind of finish:
http://www.cmcguitars.com/Fender-AM-STD-Wine-Red-Hand-Stained-Ash-Tele-p/fender-am-std-hs-tele-wine-rd.htm

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This sounds like a REAL stupid idea.
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Seems like the type of thing people would brag about, even though it's stupid and pointless.

Do yourself a favor and use some good stains, unless you are just trying to do something different.
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Make sure you sniff the cork first.

I'd prefer a guitar made from whiskey barrels though.
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Why do people always get these ridiculous ideas? stain is cheap. Why try so many stupid ideas to get a less than great finish?
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loop-de-luke
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Hahah you know I never thought this kind of question, after my many other questions about this guitar on the forums, would get UG slammed!

Explorerbuilder & rahmanwarsi123: stain isn't that cheap. You mention using other materials (such as wine, which permanently stains everything when you don't want it to) is sub-par to using real stains for guitars which will produce a super awesome stain job... from what I have found, stains designed for guitars are upwards of $18 each, and you need a couple at least to mix and customise the tint. Wine is upwards of $3 a bottle.

Seeing as there are so many guitars on the market that have a 'red wine stain' finish, wouldn't it seem reasonable to consider an AUTHENTIC red wine stain on a guitar? Considering it seems nobody has asked this question before here (judging from your comments and a quick google search on the subject), I thought I would.

Also, what is a stupider and more ridiculous idea is sanding back half the paint job on a guitar to make it look vintage when it isn't... Fender do it and they sell for more than the standards.

I appreciate your opinion that it's a shit idea, by it would be more helpful if you explained why... knowing that red wine stains things red (which is a good start). If you have tried it and it turned out shit, then explain why that happened... as other posters have found, wine staining things isn't something new and totally weird!
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Quote by loop-de-luke


Explorerbuilder & rahmanwarsi123: stain isn't that cheap. You mention using other materials (such as wine, which permanently stains everything when you don't want it to) is sub-par to using real stains for guitars which will produce a super awesome stain job... from what I have found, stains designed for guitars are upwards of $18 each, and you need a couple at least to mix and customise the tint. Wine is upwards of $3 a bottle.



I have no idea what kind of stains you are using... But you can get analyine dye made for guitars, for 4 bucks, which makes over 2 quarts of stain... I have had the same cup that i ordered 3 years ago already, and am still not out.

No excuses, dye and stain is cheap, use it.
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Quote by Explorerbuilder
I have no idea what kind of stains you are using... But you can get analyine dye made for guitars, for 4 bucks, which makes over 2 quarts of stain... I have had the same cup that i ordered 3 years ago already, and am still not out.

No excuses, dye and stain is cheap, use it.


Where abouts did you get the stain from? I've looked at some hardware stores for wood stains (not a great option but thought it'd be cheaper at least) and it was still pretty pricey... I also found some on Stewmac.com which are about $18 a bottle
Explorerbuilder
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#13
The stew mac ones you are looking at are the liquid stains. Even though they are expensive, you need maybe 1 drop to stain an entire guitar when mixed with alcohol.

Here are some powdered dyes from LMI that i use.

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?CategoryName=Dyes&NameProdHeader=Aniline+Dyes+Alcohol+Soluble

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?CategoryName=Dyes&NameProdHeader=Aniline+Dyes+Water+Soluble
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Most of what people do is stupid and pointless.

Fire was a bad idea.

Sure, it keeps you warm and let's you see at night, but cover yourself with furs and a good woman or two and you'll be warm enough and what did you want to see anyway?

OTOH : It did lead to pretty much everything we take for granted now.

If the guy wants to stain his guitar with wine, I say go for it.

If he wants to try the same thing with piss, go for it and keep it away from me.

It's his guitar.
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Quote by seabear70

If he wants to try the same thing with piss, go for it and keep it away from me.

It's his guitar.


someone should do a plexiglass guitar with actual liquids in it thats a tribute to Metallica's Load
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someone should do a plexiglass guitar with actual liquids in it thats a tribute to Metallica's Load


Does it have to sound Horrible, too?
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Does it have to sound Horrible, too?


I was alluring to the blood/semen on the cover art.
And then also remembered that Kirk Hammet has got a plastic telecaster with water in it


And all this talk of wine staining makes me want to actually attempt it, I made a simple outdoor bench for sitting on last weekend, maybe this weekend I'll try how much half a cup of red wine does to it
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I like the idea, get some wine and try it. I don't know how well wine in perticular works but ancient peoples have made due with less.
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Quote by Arab_Philosofer
I like the idea, get some wine and try it. I don't know how well wine in perticular works but ancient peoples have made due with less.


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Quote by seabear70
Most of what people do is stupid and pointless.

Fire was a bad idea.

Sure, it keeps you warm and let's you see at night, but cover yourself with furs and a good woman or two and you'll be warm enough and what did you want to see anyway?

OTOH : It did lead to pretty much everything we take for granted now.

If the guy wants to stain his guitar with wine, I say go for it.

If he wants to try the same thing with piss, go for it and keep it away from me.

It's his guitar.

Well obviously, he can do what he wants, but he came here asking about it so...

i think the basic idea is that instead of trying to save a couple of dollars and possibly opening a can of worms, he can just get a wine colored dye and do what is known to work.

Personally, I think the whole finishing process is a huge pain, so I'd go with what it known and has lots of online tutorials and whatnot.
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Quote by W4RP1G
Well obviously, he can do what he wants, but he came here asking about it so...

i think the basic idea is that instead of trying to save a couple of dollars and possibly opening a can of worms, he can just get a wine colored dye and do what is known to work.

Personally, I think the whole finishing process is a huge pain, so I'd go with what it known and has lots of online tutorials and whatnot.


My first paintjob was a Dragon Skin with a sunburst.

I decided to do that paint job for one simple reason, I could not find a single reference to anyone else having done one.

I'm sure someone has tried it before.

They would almost have to have tried it.

But the lack of any evidence that it had been done is what made up my mind.

It was a stupid thing to do.

I knew nothing about what i was doing.

I was terrified I was goign to screw it up.


It's awsome.

I do not use that word lightly.
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Quote by seabear70
My first paintjob was a Dragon Skin with a sunburst.

I decided to do that paint job for one simple reason, I could not find a single reference to anyone else having done one.

I'm sure someone has tried it before.

They would almost have to have tried it.

But the lack of any evidence that it had been done is what made up my mind.

It was a stupid thing to do.

I knew nothing about what i was doing.

I was terrified I was goign to screw it up.


It's awsome.

I do not use that word lightly.

Well I'm glad it worked out for you, but I think most everyone should hear out the opposition before making a decision like this. I know I'd be annoyed if I asked for an opinion on something and everyone held their tongue for fear of being a naysayer.
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Just stain the thing with WINE and post pics so people will stop WHINING already.

+1
seabear70
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Ya know...

If wine works out, it just raises more questions...

For example....

What about Jack Daniels?
W4RP1G
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Quote by seabear70
Ya know...

If wine works out, it just raises more questions...

For example....

What about Jack Daniels?

That's an expensive stain!

Or what about a br00tz guitar stained with lamb's blood?!
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Quote by W4RP1G
That's an expensive stain!

Or what about a br00tz guitar stained with lamb's blood?!

If you thought that would be expensive try Scotch...
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I say go for it. I find it's fun trying something out for the sake of trying it out, not that it makes more or less sense. Dare to be different, it's more entertaining that way.

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loop-de-luke
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It's funny that you should finally say "just do it so everyone can stop talking about it"

I left this thread a while ago as I stopped getting notifications, just found it again to notice a whole bunch of people say "yeah go for it, **** what everyone else says" and whatnot... all of a sudden everyone is agreeing that it should be tried. Funny...

Alas, I went out and bought some furniture stain because I was desperate and couldn't find anything else. Haven't used it yet, but since re-finding this thread I might just try the wine.

To get the record straight, by the way... I wasn't asking about using wine because it would be cheaper, I was asking to see if it would work or if anyone had tried it before (and if they got good or bad results). I figured a real red wine stain would be authentic and unique. Sure, stains designed for guitars are gonna work and wine might not... but that's exactly why I posted this thread.

Thanks for the comments though, I'll try it out on some wood and see what happens... will post photos (if I remember to). One does not simply use wine for decorative purposes without drinking most of it
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#31
Use wine!

Forget these people telling you it's a stupid idea.. I don't think they even know what rock and roll is about!

I like this wine idea... I already use real blood and the like in my paintings.
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Wine will stain it; I don't know how well. though. But, since it's mostly water, it'll raise up the grain a bit, too.

Over the years, I've tried water-based stains a few times on other projects and every time it raised the grain on the wood, necessitating more sanding and yet another stain coat. It's a vicious circle. I'd go with regular, old, oil-based woodstain.
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loop-de-luke
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Wine will stain it; I don't know how well. though. But, since it's mostly water, it'll raise up the grain a bit, too.

Over the years, I've tried water-based stains a dew times on other projects and every time it raised the grain on the wood, necessitating more sanding and yet another stain coat. It's a vicious circle. I'd go with regular, old, oil-based woodstain.


Yeah I had a think about the water content thing... that'd mean I'd probably have to use a water-based lacquer too, right? I'm not sure... I've already bought some wood stains from a hardware store and some polyurethane lacquer, gonna give it a go on some scraps and see what works best. Might still try the wine thing on some off cuts but will have to rethink the lacquer.

What do you reckon about staining with a dark stain (black japan), sanding back and restaining with a red (mahogany)? Someone suggested that to me as the black will bring out the grain more and give it some cool patterns
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I'd mix the stains and then wipe. Test it on a scrap until you get your color.
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Ok, I'm just going to throw this out there...

What if you reduced the water content of the wine somehow?

Distillation comes to mind.

You obviously don't want to remove all of it, but wouldn't a reduction of half the water result in a little less sanding and possibly a richer color?
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You'd then need to add a solvent or you'd be just smearing too-thick stuff around. Once you add a solvent, you'd have regular, ol' traditional stain but of a very, very low quality.
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#37
Wine reduces easily by simple boiling, distillation is overkill. I don't suggest a full boil, just simmer it gently. The alcohol will boil off first, at about 173 F, then it will stop boiling until it gets up to water's boiling point, 212 F. Because its not pure water the exact temperature will be a bit different. But we don't care about that stuff, right? we just want most of the water gone. It will take 30-45 minutes to reduce one bottle of wine. It will be somewhat faster if you boil it harder, but if you're not paying attention (and who can sit and watch things boil for more than a few minutes?) you can make a mess.
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The major pigment in red wine is anthocyanin. On exposure to air and ultra-violet light it will oxidise and turn brown, it will also fade. This is why red wine is always stored in coloured bottles. If you want a brown guitar with natural pigments coffee or tea would do it better. If you want it stained with anthocyanin then beetroot or red cabbage would do it better as it has more pigment. Anthocyanin is an indicator pigment like litmus and is only red in acid conditions so it will give different colours with different woods, but it will still fade and go brown.

Depending upon the wood the water will raise the surface grain but that can be sanded back after. The wood will have a 10-20% water content anyway so once it has dried the wine will make no difference to the finishing.