MonsterMetalMus
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Alright, I'm in my senior year of high school right now and I'm planning on going to college. My grades are good, I'm taking AP classes yada yada. I'm sure I can get into some pretty good schools but paying for them is another story. My parents make too much money so I can apply for need based scholarships ( Yeah, talk about first world problems ) but I don't want to burden them by having them spend thousands of dollars on my education. I could apply for merit based scholarships (GPA of 3.4ish and I scored a 1640 on the SATs my first time around, does anyone know if this will qualify me for anything decent?). I could also take out student loans, but I really don't want to be in debt after graduation. So, I've started to think about enlisting in the service. Here are my concerns with that though:

1. I have flat feet. I heard you can't join with flat feet from some people but others have told me you can. I'm physically fit and can run and they don't bother me too much though.
2. My medical history isn't that clean. I was diagnosed with cancer at the age of 11. We caught it in the early stages though so I didn't have to undergo chemo or radiation. I did have a pretty big chunk of flesh taken out of my left forearm, a few lymph nodes removed from my left side, and I also had a lung biopsy.

I feel like this may prevent me from enlisting in the service. Does anyone know what the policy on flat feet or cancer survivors are? Any help/insight would be appreciated! And also, if anyone would care to give me advice on applying for scholarships and the like I would appreciate that as well. Thanks!
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Well, 1, I'm fairly certain is complete bullshit and they don't care about your feet, as long as you can pass the training or whatever.
2, I'm sure they won't care if you used to have cancer but now you don't.

In short, no, none of these things should stop you from being enlisted.

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Well, 1, I'm fairly certain is complete bullshit and they don't care about your feet, as long as you can pass the training or whatever.
2, I'm sure they won't care if you used to have cancer but now you don't.

In short, no, none of these things should stop you from being enlisted.

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Alright, that sounds reassuring. Thanks!
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As long as your able to pass the physical tests and fire a gun, you're more or less good to go. As it were, if your just looking for tuition assistance, look into national guard. That way you can not waste 4 yrs of enlisted time and still reap the benefits.
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I worked for the recruiting command last summer in the Wisconsin National Guard. I remember dealing with a recruit who had a cancer issue. I'll get back to you tomorrow. I can find out what happened with him.


Flat feet usually never disqualifies anyone I've seen. I've also served with the victim of a dog attack who was missing part of his calf, so the forearm could be fine.

I'm not sure about the specifics of the lung biopsy, though. I could see that maybe being an issue, depending on how large of a chunk was taken.

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The flat feet thing doesn't matter, but they won't even know about it until boot camp, unless you volunteer that info.

As for medical history, there are certain red flags that will render you ineligible. However, those things can be waived if someone approves it. Usually, the recruiter will tell you not to volunteer any info, including medical history. I was basically told to say I've never been to the hospital for any reason or had any illnesses.

The military does not check civilian medical records, so anything they know about your medical history will be because you told them.

And I'd like to add that if you're only planning to join for school money, then you might want to reconsider. It's not an easy life, and paying back a student loan over time is far less stressful than 4 years of military life, imo.
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Honestly, you are going to have to talk to a recruiter and see what would bar you from enlisting and what wouldn't be a big deal or what could be handled with a waiver.
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As long as your able to pass the physical tests and fire a gun, you're more or less good to go. As it were, if your just looking for tuition assistance, look into national guard. That way you can not waste 4 yrs of enlisted time and still reap the benefits.



Ok, that sounds reassuring too. And the national guard sounds like a pretty sweet deal, I'll definitely look into that possibility. Thanks!


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I worked for the recruiting command last summer in the Wisconsin National Guard. I remember dealing with a recruit who had a cancer issue. I'll get back to you tomorrow. I can find out what happened with him.


Flat feet usually never disqualifies anyone I've seen. I've also served with the victim of a dog attack who was missing part of his calf, so the forearm could be fine.

I'm not sure about the specifics of the lung biopsy, though. I could see that maybe being an issue, depending on how large of a chunk was taken.



Ok, if you could get back to me with that info that would be awesome! And as for the lung biopsy, I don't think they took a huge chunk out. I made a recovery to the point where I could breath without pain again within 2 weeks, and from what I've heard that's a pretty short recovery period for a lung surgery. Thanks for you're insight!
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MonsterMetalMus
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The flat feet thing doesn't matter, but they won't even know about it until boot camp, unless you volunteer that info.

As for medical history, there are certain red flags that will render you ineligible. However, those things can be waived if someone approves it. Usually, the recruiter will tell you not to volunteer any info, including medical history. I was basically told to say I've never been to the hospital for any reason or had any illnesses.

The military does not check civilian medical records, so anything they know about your medical history will be because you told them.

And I'd like to add that if you're only planning to join for school money, then you might want to reconsider. It's not an easy life, and paying back a student loan over time is far less stressful than 4 years of military life, imo.


Thanks for the advice! And honestly, I might be using the whole "school money" thing as an excuse to join. I have no idea what I plan to study in college and I'd like to take some time away from school but still do something worthwhile. Joining the service seems like the perfect solution.
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MonsterMetalMus
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Honestly, you are going to have to talk to a recruiter and see what would bar you from enlisting and what wouldn't be a big deal or what could be handled with a waiver.


I'll probably strike up a conversation the next time the recruiters make an appearance at my school. Thanks for the advice!
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No matter what any of us here tell you, they will have the most up to date enlistment standards. Seeing how the military is downsizing, the requirements are likely to be more stringent.
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Thanks for the advice! And honestly, I might be using the whole "school money" thing as an excuse to join. I have no idea what I plan to study in college and I'd like to take some time away from school but still do something worthwhile. Joining the service seems like the perfect solution.

Which branch do you want to join? The different branches offer some different experiences.
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Which branch do you want to join? The different branches offer some different experiences.



I haven't quite figured that out yet. I was thinking the navy might be interesting. My grandfather served in the Navy so I figure that family history is a good reason to look into the that particular branch, plus I also love the ocean. I was also thinking about the Airforce, but from what I've heard you have a pretty low chance of actually being physically involved in flight. Along with that, I've also heard that other branches have a larger Airforce than the actual Airforce . I have a few friends that are planning on enlisting in the Marines Corp too, so I've given that some thought as well. But honestly, I'm open to any suggestions. Overall I'd just like to try something new, serve my country, and travel.
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Well there are many reasons to choose one branch over another. Family tradition is often a factor, but I don't think it should be the most important one. You should think about what you want to get out of the experience, and what would be disappointed to miss out on.
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You could apply for an ROTC scholarship and get your degree first and then when you did enlist after graduation you'd be an officer. Or an ensign or whatever.
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Being an officer is an entirely different job/life. Make sure you know what you want to do.
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Not a solider but this is relevant: Well republicans just filibustered a bill that would have helped US soldiers get jobs as civilians when they where out of the service, so the commercials that say you can get jobs in civilian life from your military experience are lies. Just something you should know.
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Not a solider but this is relevant: Well republicans just filibustered a bill that would have helped US soldiers get jobs as civilians when they where out of the service, so the commercials that say you can get jobs in civilian life from your military experience are lies.



y u so dumb tho
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Just mentioning that he might have to worry about life after being a soldier.
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Just mentioning that he might have to worry about life after being a soldier.

Same as everybody else's life. Don't expect any handouts.
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Just mentioning that he might have to worry about life after being a soldier.

No, he won't. He's already said that he would be going to school after he got out. You're just trying to bring politics into this.
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There are ads everywhere that say doing a job in the military will transition into civilian life. For example: If you where a computer programmer in the military, you could use that to get jobs.
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No, he won't. He's already said that he would be going to school after he got out. You're just trying to bring politics into this.


I guess I sort of did bring politics into this, I just read the original post and saw someone trying to take the military as an alternative for paying for college and thought it was worth mentioning. I probably should have left the word "Republican" out but in all the news articles it said that in the title so I guess when I was regurgitating the info I sort of put it in there to.
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As previously mentioned, ROTC. It is different than an enlisted, but if you do well enough, you can have school completely paid for. Another benefit to ROTC is that you don't have to contract (obligate yourself) to the military until your Junior year of college or offered a scholarship.
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That cancer kid didn't get in, I found out, but it was unrelated to his cancer.


Here's what I do know from working with the recruiters: Things are getting very stringent these days. The Army, as well as most of the rest of the military, is over strength. My advice to you when you talk to a recruiter is to tell him you're willing to take a slot in a critical MOS if it means getting in. The recruiter will do everything he can via waiver to get you a day slotted at MEPS. Once you get to MEPS it's a whole different ballgame. They probably won't care about your feet, and you don't have to tell them about your lungs, but your arm will raise some flags. Depends on the doctor's say, really.

First and foremost, get those waivers. If you need any other help, PM me and let me know. I've worked some recruiting and will again after this semester ends.

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MonsterMetalMus
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Ok, thanks for the words of advice everyone!

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That cancer kid didn't get in, I found out, but it was unrelated to his cancer.


Here's what I do know from working with the recruiters: Things are getting very stringent these days. The Army, as well as most of the rest of the military, is over strength. My advice to you when you talk to a recruiter is to tell him you're willing to take a slot in a critical MOS if it means getting in. The recruiter will do everything he can via waiver to get you a day slotted at MEPS. Once you get to MEPS it's a whole different ballgame. They probably won't care about your feet, and you don't have to tell them about your lungs, but your arm will raise some flags. Depends on the doctor's say, really.

First and foremost, get those waivers. If you need any other help, PM me and let me know. I've worked some recruiting and will again after this semester ends.



Thanks for getting back to me, I really appreciate it. I'll ask for a slot in a critical MOS if I decide to try and enlist. I'll send you a PM if I run into anything. Once again, thanks for the advice and words of wisdom! I really appreciate it!
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As previously mentioned, ROTC. It is different than an enlisted, but if you do well enough, you can have school completely paid for. Another benefit to ROTC is that you don't have to contract (obligate yourself) to the military until your Junior year of college or offered a scholarship.


If I recall, even if you get a scholarship, you have until junior year without any obligation. Though if you leave after your junior year, you either have to pay back your previous years to the military, or enlist your ass.
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