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KSEjunkie2468
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Hi Guys,

I've using a guitar with a ebony fretboard, mahogany body, a maple neck, and a floyd rose.

Which pickup is warmer sounding, hotter even (not necessarily higher output but sounds hotter)? Tighter bass? Better leads? etc

Thanks everyone in advanced for replies!

I play heavy metal, modern sound (pitch harmonic, bass heavy, singing leads,) but I also value a solid clean tone, and I like to play a Joe Satriani/Buckethead/Steve Vai-ish lead tone that sings (I've found that the Seymour Duncan Full Shred can do this, but it doesn't have enough strength, not balzy enough.)
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Hi Guys,

I've using a guitar with a ebony fretboard, mahogany body, a maple neck, and a floyd rose.



Learn this now: the wood a guitar is made of makes zero difference in the tone of the guitar when it's plugged it.
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Learn this now: the wood a guitar is made of makes zero difference in the tone of the guitar when it's plugged it.


Learn this now: you're full of shit.

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Just to give you a little fact to prove it: inlays. A completely different material than the fingerboard; does this mean when you hit the 3rd, 5th, and 9th fret you get a different tone than the other frets?
How does wood affect how a magnet picks up metal strings?

Idiot.

+1 for the full shred though.
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Just to give you a little fact to prove it: inlays. A completely different material than the fingerboard; does this mean when you hit the 3rd, 5th, and 9th fret you get a different tone than the other frets?
How does wood affect how a magnet picks up metal strings?

Idiot.

+1 for the full shred though.

Are you really suggesting that any tone from the fretboard material is produced only from the fret being played? I'm pretty sure the string oscillates from the bridge to the fret.
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Are you really suggesting that any tone from the fretboard material is produced only from the fret being played? I'm pretty sure the string oscillates from the bridge to the fret.


A note is a note, the pickup just reads that. It can't pickup how much bass or treble it has.

Acousticly is a different story though.
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A note is a note, the pickup just reads that. It can't pickup how much bass or treble it has.

Acousticly is a different story though.

I have no idea what you are saying. What do you mean it can't pickup how much bass or treble it has?

Also, saying "a note is a note" isn't a sufficient enough rebuttle for the point I made.
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I have no idea what you are saying. What do you mean it can't pickup how much bass or treble it has?

Also, saying "a note is a note" isn't a sufficient enough rebuttle for the point I made.


I mean a pickup isn't a microphone; it's just a magnet. When you hit a string, let's say the E, it knows it's 329.63ish Hz. That's all. Wood does effect sustain (on the fretboard anyways) and other things like that, but not the tone.
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I mean a pickup isn't a microphone; it just a magnet. When you hit a string, let's say the E, it knows it's 329.63ish Hz. That's all. Wood does effect sustain (on the fretboard anyways) and other things like that, but not the tone.

The theory behind tone woods in an electric guitar is about the transfer of vibrations into the wood and then back into the strings.

Personally I think tone woods exist since I've done pickup swaps many times and have noticed a significant difference in the tone a pickup puts out when the body wood is changed. But there is no conclusive study for this that either of us can cite, so it's all speculation. If you want to do a study on it, please do so, but until you do and present the facts, any anecdotal evidence that anyone spews forth is subject to dismissal.
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The DiMarzio SD and the Duncan Distortion are both fine pickups for what you want to play. The DiMarzio SD is designed to be a little bass heavy, as a lot of aftermarket pickups back in the '70s (when the SD first came out) were rather shrill. I think the Duncan Distortion is the better choice. It has a better, more balanced tone; it is plenty hot for various shades of metal and the thing really cuts through. I have them in a few guitars and I'm quite happy wih them. But you probably couldn't go wrong with either choice.
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Personally I think tone woods exist since I've done pickup swaps many times and have noticed a significant difference in the tone a pickup puts out when the body wood is changed. But there is no conclusive study for this that either of us can cite, so it's all speculation. If you want to do a study on it, please do so, but until you do and present the facts, any anecdotal evidence that anyone spews forth is subject to dismissal.


Well, were the pickups the exact same height when you put them in? Were the pots exactly the same? Did you use the same strings?
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Well, were the pickups the exact same height when you put them in? Were the pots exactly the same? Did you use the same strings?

I always use the same pots, strings, and setup. I could argue that the bridge type had an effect as well(which it very well may have, imo), but that would still go against your theory that the strings vibrations are uninfected by connected components.
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Thus sayeth the Lord: "Thou shalt not hijack thy neighbor's thread!"

The DiMarzio SD and the Duncan Distortion are both fine pickups for what you want to play. The DiMarzio SD is designed to be a little bass heavy, as a lot of aftermarket pickups back in the '70s (when the SD first came out) were rather shrill. I think the Duncan Distortion is the better choice. It has a better, more balanced tone; it is plenty hot for various shades of metal and the thing really cuts through. I have them in a few guitars and I'm quite happy wih them. But you probably couldn't go wrong with either choice.


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I always use the same pots, strings, and setup. I could argue that the bridge type had an effect as well(which it very well may have, imo), but that would still go against your theory that the strings vibrations are uninfected by connected components.

String vibrations are affected, but how a string vibrates doesn't change the tone; only the musical value.
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I mean a pickup isn't a microphone; it's just a magnet. When you hit a string, let's say the E, it knows it's 329.63ish Hz. That's all. Wood does effect sustain (on the fretboard anyways) and other things like that, but not the tone.


Okay Sullinger, then lets start making guitars out of plywood and dried compounded shaped pieces of garbage since what a guitar is made out of doesn't affect its tone. I mean, are you serious?

Different guitar body types are known to sound brighter, or darker, etc. Maybe you can't hear the difference, but others can.
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String vibrations are affected, but how a string vibrates doesn't change the tone; only the musical value.

Sure it does. Play a note on the low E at the 22nd fret(C# I believe), now play it on the B string, 2nd fret. Same frequency, different tone, right?
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Okay Sullinger, then lets start making guitars out of plywood and dried compounded shaped pieces of garbage since what a guitar is made out of doesn't affect its tone. I mean, are you serious?

Different guitar body types are known to sound brighter, or darker, etc. Maybe you can't hear the difference, but others can.


A guitar made of plywood is going to have cheaper electronics; that's why the tone is different.
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Sure it does. Play a note on the low E at the 22nd fret(C# I believe), now play it on the B string, 2nd fret. Same frequency, different tone, right?

.... no?
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Why does everyone get all butthurt and won't accept that wood doesn't make a tonal difference? It's like evoultion...
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A guitar made of plywood is going to have cheaper electronics; that's why the tone is different.


Ok you seemed to dismiss my point.

Heres guitar A, what of plywood and garbage. Here's guitar B made of the highest quality mahoney. The ONLY THING that is different about the guitar is what the guitar's body is made of and everything else is built to scale, same pickups, electronics, tone and volume pots, etc.

You are saying that those two guitars would sound the same? Because if you think they would, you have no business playing guitar.
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Why does everyone get all butthurt and won't accept that wood doesn't make a tonal difference? It's like evoultion...

I'm not butthurt at all. I hope you're not one of those people that assumes everyone is hostile when they disagree with you.

And until you can prove your point with objective facts, your opinion will be subject to criticism. So feel free to put your opinion out there, but don't get upset if someone questions it.
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Ok you seemed to dismiss my point.

Heres guitar A, what of plywood and garbage. Here's guitar B made of the highest quality mahoney. The ONLY THING that is different about the guitar is what the guitar's body is made of and everything else is built to scale, same pickups, electronics, tone and volume pots, etc.

You are saying that those two guitars would sound the same? Because if you think they would, you have no business playing guitar.


They WOULD! Alright, I already mentioned this above, but using your logic, on a fingerboard, you'd get a different tone on your 3rd, 5th, and 7th fret because the inlay material is completely different then that of the actual fingerboard wood.

I don't have evidence like that for the body wood; but do you REALLY think the wood is going to make a difference on a magnet? Really.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0jfoPbNlT8

This is a video of two "identical" guitars made of different body wood so have a listen.

I do find these discussions interesting but they always go the same way.

unless they're using the same EXACT pickups (since no two are the same) and it's the same height, it's invalid.
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Why does everyone get all butthurt and won't accept that wood doesn't make a tonal difference? It's like evoultion...



When the argument is so bad your not sure it's a troll...
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Why does everyone get all butthurt and won't accept that wood doesn't make a tonal difference? It's like evoultion...


Evolution has evidence to back it up, whereas your claims have none whatsoever.
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Evolution has evidence to back it up, whereas your claims have none whatsoever.

IT DOES HAVE EVIDENCE, LOOK AT MY POST JUST ABOVE.
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I'm not butthurt at all. I hope you're not one of those people that assumes everyone is hostile when they disagree with you.

And until you can prove your point with objective facts, your opinion will be subject to criticism. So feel free to put your opinion out there, but don't get upset if someone questions it.


No, it's just beyond me how stupid everyone can be (But you actually had some logical points that would make me believe there's a tonal wood difference)
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When the argument is so bad your not sure it's a troll...

When you're such an idiot you take the one post with no evidence and try say my argument is bad just off that.
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They WOULD! Alright, I already mentioned this above, but using your logic, on a fingerboard, you'd get a different tone on your 3rd, 5th, and 7th fret because the inlay material is completely different then that of the actual fingerboard wood.

I don't have evidence like that for the body wood; but do you REALLY think the wood is going to make a difference on a magnet? Really.

It's like you didn't read a word I put out there
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They WOULD! Alright, I already mentioned this above, but using your logic, on a fingerboard, you'd get a different tone on your 3rd, 5th, and 7th fret because the inlay material is completely different then that of the actual fingerboard wood.

I don't have evidence like that for the body wood; but do you REALLY think the wood is going to make a difference on a magnet? Really.


Well using your logic there's no reason to make guitars out of wood at all, there's no reason for guitar companies to make guitars out of different kinds of wood. But guess what, THEY DO. AND THERE IS A REASON.

And the magnet is simply not the only thing that affects the guitar's tone
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Well using your logic there's no reason to make guitars out of wood at all, there's no reason for guitar companies to make guitars out of different kinds of wood. But guess what, THEY DO. AND THERE IS A REASON.

And the magnet is simply not the only thing that affects the guitar's tone


They companies only do it for marketing, plus wood is really easy to work with since guitars have weird curves.

And yes, your pickup is a magnet. It picks up a strings magnetic vibration. It goes to your amp. It's simply impossible for the wood it sits on to change the amount of bass, treble, etc. the pickup picks up.
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When you're such an idiot you take the one post with no evidence and try say my argument is bad just off that.



It was much easier than quoting all of your posts.


Do you honestly believe people pay for superior tonewoods just to hear them acoustically?
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unless they're using the same EXACT pickups (since no two are the same) and it's the same height, it's invalid.


Surprisingly I've actually never heard anyone say that, I've thought about it myself though. You hear about people trying loads of the same model of guitar but you never hear anyone say "I had to try 10 EMG 85s before I found one I liked"

There are a lot of variables and it is hard to determine which ones are actually making a difference, I mean does persons fingerprint affects tone?
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It was much easier than quoting all of your posts.


Do you honestly believe people pay for superior tonewoods just to hear them acoustically?


People pay for "superior" tonewoods because they think there's actually a difference! The companies know this! They know they can make lots of money off it!
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People pay for "superior" tonewoods because they think there's actually a difference! The companies know this! They know they can make lots of money off it!



You sound like a 9-11 "truther".


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Surprisingly I've actually never heard anyone say that, I've thought about it myself though. You hear about people trying loads of the same model of guitar but you never hear anyone say "I had to try 10 EMG 85s before I found one I liked"

There are a lot of variables and it is hard to determine which ones are actually making a difference, I mean does persons fingerprint affects tone?

(finally someone who can think for themselves)

There are plenty of variables, but it's just impossible for the wood a magnet sits on to change the amount of different freq. it picks up. People just buy it because that's what guitar companies want you to think. Eventually I'll take the time and money to but the exact same guitar, but with different fingerboard woods, and switch out the pickup and do a blind switch test. I'll even switch out the pots, jack, etc.
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You sound like a 9-11 "truther".


Congrats. You win Laugh of the night


...that moment when you actually believe 9/11 was a government setup...
but really, it's like saying "Well, when I paint this oak board red and this pine board red, the oak just has a deeper red to it" (assuming it's the same can of opaque paints)
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I'm sure that if you put a pickup in an acoustic and plugged it in, the wood would matter...
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