FenderStrat21
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Hi guys,


I have a not so cool solid state head (B-52 100w) with a decent cab (B-52 480w).
The sound is decent but I'd like to beef it up for live purposes without buying a new head ya see?

So I already plan on buying a tube screamer, but I'd like to get some opinions on the best tube distortion pedals. Preferably the kind that you can change the tube in it... if thats possible? So I could put in like a super broootall tube from mesa or somethin ya know dewwwd?!?

I see the persuader tube drive thats been advertised on this site looks pretty promising from the reviews for the price but idk if it would fit my fancy since it's not really for metal.

Could I just buy that pedal, put it together, then put a diff tube in it to add a bit of the tube distortion tone, instead of having to drop a bunch of benjamens on a nice tubed head?


Am I an idiot?


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#2
you can get tube amps (probably) for what a tubescreamer and tube distortion pedal would cost.
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Dave_Mc
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oh right it's a kit, i didn't realise that.

i guess you could. but i mean you don't necessarily have to go to the price of the 6505 or a recto to get a decent high gain head. I got my jet city (new) for £250.
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if you tell us what kind of music are you playing and your budget we can give you some serious help

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oh yeah i mean i'm not saying i wouldn't rather have a 6505 or recto than a jet city. but i'd rather have a jet city than nothing, kind of thing. it's like saying you have your heart set on a ferrari... that's fair enough, but refusing to buy a ford and holding out for the ferrari when you have no car at all is maybe kinda silly.
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You're trying to solve a problem the hard way.

You don't like your amp's tone, so you're trying to buy at least two pedals to mask that, with plans on modding one of the pedals immediately.

Alternatively, for the same price, you could get a better amp. I mean, you're talking about at least $250 in pedals. You could get a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 for that price used. Sell your amp in addition to that, and you might be able to bump up the quality even more than that. If you could get about $500-$600, you could snag a used 6505 112 combo, which will bring teh br00tz. For around $300-$500 you can get various verisons of the Peavey Ultra used, which was the precursor to the 5150 and XXX. I mean, if you fill out the information found here:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1387138

We can help you out a lot more.
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^ +1

even if it has to be new, things like the jet city are still pretty nice, and likely far nicer than your current amp + a couple of pedals. I mean, the jet city is based on a soldano. it's not super-modern sounding, but it is high gain, for sure. i'd say it probably has more gain/saturation than a recto.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
oh yeah i mean i'm not saying i wouldn't rather have a 6505 or recto than a jet city. but i'd rather have a jet city than nothing, kind of thing. it's like saying you have your heart set on a ferrari... that's fair enough, but refusing to buy a ford and holding out for the ferrari when you have no car at all is maybe kinda silly.


haha excellent point. I guess im that asshole trying to make his Taurus race ready for nascar with his birthday money lol

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Peavey Ultra +1

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Don't beat yourself up. You've gotta start somewhere. I swear there are archives of me on here somewhere swearing up and down how MG's are great and everyone on here is a stupid tube snob

At least you're kosher and willing to learn. I was a know-it-all prick that was too stubborn to admit someone else might know something. Now I'm just a stubborn ass with know-it-all tendencies.

Also, I second the Jet City recommendation.
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Quote by Blktiger0
You're trying to solve a problem the hard way.

You don't like your amp's tone, so you're trying to buy at least two pedals to mask that, with plans on modding one of the pedals immediately.

Alternatively, for the same price, you could get a better amp. I mean, you're talking about at least $250 in pedals. You could get a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 for that price used. Sell your amp in addition to that, and you might be able to bump up the quality even more than that. If you could get about $500-$600, you could snag a used 6505 112 combo, which will bring teh br00tz. For around $300-$500 you can get various verisons of the Peavey Ultra used, which was the precursor to the 5150 and XXX. I mean, if you fill out the information found here:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1387138

We can help you out a lot more.


Good point. I can see clearly now deff gonna sell and invest the original money in addition to that to get a decent tubed amp. I considered it at one point but idk why it slipped my mind now :/

As for the "noob form", (thanks for that btw , I guess the info doesnt matter anymore because I plan on taking your advice.

-Thanks guys
Offworld92
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#15
If you're more specific with exactly what you're playing (bands/songs), we can still shoot you more specific suggestions.

Cheers for being a cool TS.
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Quote by FenderStrat21
Good point. I can see clearly now deff gonna sell and invest the original money in addition to that to get a decent tubed amp. I considered it at one point but idk why it slipped my mind now :/

As for the "noob form", (thanks for that btw , I guess the info doesnt matter anymore because I plan on taking your advice.

-Thanks guys


I didn't write that post, so I wasn't calling you a noob

I think 311 mostly did that because of the annoying people that come in that refuse to take any advice and get annoyed when we ask the questions in that form, so the mods just had it stickied.

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If you're more specific with exactly what you're playing (bands/songs), we can still shoot you more specific suggestions.

Cheers for being a cool TS.


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FenderStrat21
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I'm hunting for tones similar to some of these bands/songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-F_r9z5ZiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18VxI4OI1qI


Within the Ruins and Veil of Maya are good examples I feel because I'm looking for a nice tone to be there for me through the sweet leads and riffage, but also teh bonecrushing totes br00tz breakdowns.
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I can't listen to those at the moment, but from the names, your description, and the video preview image, I'm gonna say that a 6505 would be the optimal chocie. If the other guys weigh in a much different opinion, go with their suggestions since I can't listen at the moment.
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#20
^ yeah those tones would be more 6505 (or maybe even recto? ) than a jet city/soldano type of thing. that's not to say the jet city might not still be worth getting if your budget can't get close to those... but yeah. there's always bugera, they make a 6505 and 6505+ clone (ish... they didn't clone peavey's "don't set the user on fire" circuitry ). though as i implied, their reliability isn't the greatest. they don't set people on fire any more, but reliability still isn't amazing, i think.

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oh man some of my older posts on here make me cringe

Quote by FenderStrat21
haha excellent point. I guess im that asshole trying to make his Taurus race ready for nascar with his birthday money lol



haha don't worry about it We're just trying to stop you from wasting your money.
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So check this out:

http://www.samash.com/p/Peavey_6505%20Plus%20112%201x12%22%20Guitar%20Combo%20Amp_-49943809?cm_mmc=GoogleShopping-_-Guitars-_-Channeladvisor-_-Peavey+6505+Plus+112+1x12%22+Guitar+Combo+Amp&utm_source=GSH&utm_medium=CSE&utm_campaign=Channeladvisor&CAWELAID=1594756229&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CNbBk5Wr3rMCFcxAMgodk14Atg


It claims its the 6505 right, but just with a 12 slapped on there! wooo :/
and it's half the price, and half the wattage (60w)

What if I used this as a head? Would that be complete shit added on with my B52 cab?

This is just an option obviously, but would going with a used, full 6505+ 120w be a better option even if it's a bit more? Or could this little guy do the trick
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the 1x12 combo version of the 6505+ is made in china- that's why it's a lot cheaper (the other 6505s are made in the USA). I've only tried the USA-made ones. I mean, I guess it's worth a try, kind of thing. assuming they use the same (or a pretty similar) circuit it should sound pretty good for what you want, though the build quality might not be as good as the USA ones. EDIT: just to clarify- the jet city i originally suggested is made in china too, so i'm not suggesting you should discount the 6505+ 112 and then buy the jet city. I'm just saying it might not be as good as the USA-made 6505s. But for what you want, and on a tight budget, it's bound to be worth considering. unless you come across a deal on a used USA 6505 (and don't mind going used).

looks like you can plug it into an external cab, too- so you might as well try it with your b52 cab to see how it sounds.
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Blktiger0
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The 6505 112 sounds just as good as the USA-made ones, in my opinion. I think anyone that hears a difference is just convinced that there's a difference. I mean, there might be a slight difference because of the difference in wattage, but i honestly find that the main difference between my Vengeance's two power modes is that the 60w sounds slightly better for bedroom volumes, although I have no idea why. I should re-read Craig's low-wattage amp/bedroom tone post again and look for reasoning behind this.

Like Dave said, I would certainly give it a try through your cab. Worst case scenario, it sounds bad. Don't let the size of the combo fool you, though. They'll get PLENTY loud.

If you can afford it, you might want to grab a DigiTech Bad Monkey to go with that, as a lot of 6505 owners like the sound you get by boosting the amp with a Tubescreamer-like pedal. The Bad Monkey is a cheaper alternative that many people prefer on here. What you do here is, max the level/volume, set the gain to 0, or as low as it'll go without being silent, and set the tone/EQ to taste. It tightens up the sound and response of the amp, especially the bottom end, for teh chugga-chuggas \m/

Not that you'll NEED one, but you might enjoy it. A lot of people do this with a lot of amps, so don't think that it's some issue with the amp. For example, the entire Thrash Metal movement (The Big 4) started with JCM800's that they boosted in a similar fashion.
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#24
I was a vocal opponent of the +112 for a while, but I've kind of accepted it over time. I realize that a lot of people need combos for financial reasons, and the 6505+ 112 is really the only answer to that if someone needs a 6505. I mean, I know for damn sure that I will never recommend the 5150/6505 212, as a former owner of one.

The most convincing factor is that you can find the used +112 combos for as low as $350... that's hard to argue with for what they offer.
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I like my 112, I don't think it is quite as durable as the head, but put it this way, I ain't worried about it breaking either.
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The thing I like about the 112 version is that it is cheaper, lighter and has a better clean tone. Plus the light up logo is bitchin' I would never own a 212 of that amp. Just too frickin massive. A USA made head and decent 212 would be the way to go if price was not an issue.

That said, I prefer the Vypyr 60 even more. Granted it is a modeling amp but the front end is analog and the power amp section is the same as the 6505+112 (per Cath).

You would then get the added benefit of a headphone out jack and the Recto and Diezel amp models which hit like a juicy battering ram. Hard to explain. The 6505 and JSX models are nice too but the Recto/Diezel models are so yummy. I've seen them as low as $250.

But yeah - for a strait ahead no pussy footin' around tube amp I think the 6505+112 is hard to beat for the price. New or used.
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I completely agree. I mean, it used to be about the only half-decent budget tube amp with any headroom was the Valveking, but I honestly think the only benefit those have now is that they're about the best modding platform for an amp that you can get. I mean, there are SHIT TONS of mods for them, and they're pretty damn cheap.

Honestly, I think Peavey is about the best damn amp Manufacterer around anymore. They have so much to offer that it shouldn't even be considered fair

Not really that their quality or sound is any better than anyone else, but they cover so much ground in terms of budgets, tones, genres, and all-around flexibility.