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anderson80
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#1
im a fan of jcm 900s and have the 2x12 combo. i also play a £400 tokai hollowbody with bareknuckle pickups. ive been thinking about getting the head/4x12 cab version of the jcm 900 but i was wondering if i should get a guitar upgrade instead, like a used gibson les paul custom (cant afford both). cant decide. i play mostly rock but nothing heavy.
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I'm a big fan of lighter is better. While a 4x12 may look cool, if you do any type of playing out and plan to gig it, remember... you have to lug that thing from your house, to the vehicle, to the venue and back. I'm all about making life easier. Chances are, you're miking your amp/cab anyway, so having a big 4x12 isn't all that important.

I'd vote for upgrading the guitar, but you're the one with the back.
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#4
Quote by KG6_Steven
I'm a big fan of lighter is better. While a 4x12 may look cool, if you do any type of playing out and plan to gig it, remember... you have to lug that thing from your house, to the vehicle, to the venue and back. I'm all about making life easier. Chances are, you're miking your amp/cab anyway, so having a big 4x12 isn't all that important.

I'd vote for upgrading the guitar, but you're the one with the back.

If you're about lighter being better, then you'd rethink what you just said. 2x12 tube combos are heavy as **** and usually MUCH harder to carry. I'd much prefer carrying a 4x12 and head than a 2x12 combo

That being said... Seems kinda silly to waste money on an amp you already have.
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Quote by MatrixClaw
If you're about lighter being better, then you'd rethink what you just said. 2x12 tube combos are heavy as **** and usually MUCH harder to carry. I'd much prefer carrying a 4x12 and head than a 2x12 combo

That being said... Seems kinda silly to waste money on an amp you already have.


+1

Unless it's an Orange or Mesa 4x12... They're easier to carry than a combo of equal weight, but how many combos can you think of that are 110lbs?
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If you've got an amp that you like, then why upgrade for a bigger version, unless you need it. You could always pickup a guitar, and then buy a 2x12 cab to hook up to your marshall.
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#7
May i be the person you all gonna hate in this thread? In case of yes, i'm gonna be the person to first say work on your technique, because that can make you sound better without spending a single dollar.

Next to that i know there's people who say you can make a cheap guitar sound good through a great amp, but i would advocate the opposite. My pretty expensive guitar sounds great over my very cheap orange amp. In fact i love the sound more than i love the sound of my fender blues junior crapbox
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May i be the person you all gonna hate in this thread? In case of yes, i'm gonna be the person to first say work on your technique, because that can make you sound better without spending a single dollar.

Next to that i know there's people who say you can make a cheap guitar sound good through a great amp, but i would advocate the opposite. My pretty expensive guitar sounds great over my very cheap orange amp. In fact i love the sound more than i love the sound of my fender blues junior crapbox


While you're making a valid point, there's no real way of knowing how good his technique is without hearing him play...

Yeah good players can make crap equipment sound good, and bad players can make good equipment sound terrible... But lets compare a good player on a cheap amp vs the same guy on a not crap amp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce1fiU31MFU
Crap amp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiw1XAb8G9A
Not crap amp

See the difference
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^While your point is valid, your reference is not.

First off, I like the Class 5

Second off, the audio sounds like it's coming from the PA system, not the soundboard like it is in the second. The "crappiness" you're hearing could very well just be due to where the mic is picking up the audio from, how well balanced the mix is coming out of the PA and the actual room it's being played in.

Third off, I much prefer the amp sound in the first video over the second's harsh and grainy rhythm tone
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^While your point is valid, your reference is not.

First off, I like the Class 5

Second off, the audio sounds like it's coming from the PA system, not the soundboard like it is in the second. The "crappiness" you're hearing could very well just be due to where the mic is picking up the audio from, how well balanced the mix is coming out of the PA and the actual room it's being played in.

Third off, I much prefer the amp sound in the first video over the second's harsh and grainy rhythm tone

Conclusion you cant judge concert videos.... wow really?? And all this time i was thinking they really didnt sing or play a single not out of tune. Thanks for ruining that moment :P
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Conclusion you cant judge concert videos.... wow really?? And all this time i was thinking they really didnt sing or play a single not out of tune. Thanks for ruining that moment :P

Wat.
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#12
Is a 4x12 really better than just getting another 2x12?
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#13
Quote by MatrixClaw
If you're about lighter being better, then you'd rethink what you just said. 2x12 tube combos are heavy as **** and usually MUCH harder to carry. I'd much prefer carrying a 4x12 and head than a 2x12 combo

That being said... Seems kinda silly to waste money on an amp you already have.



I maintain what I said earlier. While I'm not familiar with the weight of a Marshall 4x12, I do know that the weight of a Mesa 4x12 is close to 115 lbs. Still want to carry that 4x12?

I'd rather carry my light combos any day of the week.
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#14
Stick your combo on top of a 2x12 and buy another guitar with the money you save.

You don't carry a 4x12 or a JCM900 - you use a trolley, dumbasses. Who cares what it weighs? There's this invention called the wheel. You may have heard of it.
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Stick your combo on top of a 2x12 and buy another guitar with the money you save.

You don't carry a 4x12 or a JCM900 - you use a trolley, dumbasses. Who cares what it weighs? There's this invention called the wheel. You may have heard of it.

Let me tell you about something new dude, there's this thing called an assistant
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Yeah, and they'll usually work for beer too. You still should be supplying a trolley for him to use though otherwise he will demand more beer and may drop your gear.
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Quote by Cathbard
Stick your combo on top of a 2x12 and buy another guitar with the money you save.

You don't carry a 4x12 or a JCM900 - you use a trolley, dumbasses. Who cares what it weighs? There's this invention called the wheel. You may have heard of it.



Sure have. Use your wheel to get it up into the back of your vehicle. Let me know how that works out for you.

You're also assuming that everyone has a trolley. I thought those were in San Francisco? Not everyone has a hand truck.

I'll still stick with my combos. You guys can heft your 115lb cabs around. Leave the trolleys in San Fran.
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#18
When you're lifting it into the truck there are people around to help normally.
Hand truck, trolley, dolly, potayto, potarto. People call them different things all around the world.
What you call trolleys in San Fransisco we call trams. Your terminologies are your own.

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#19
Quote by KG6_Steven
I maintain what I said earlier. While I'm not familiar with the weight of a Marshall 4x12, I do know that the weight of a Mesa 4x12 is close to 115 lbs. Still want to carry that 4x12?

I'd rather carry my light combos any day of the week.

Yep.

I had a Mesa OS and Marshall 1960A 4x12 at the time when I had my 5150 2x12 combo and Road King 2x12 combo. As big as the 4x12 was (actually, not that much bigger than either combo), it was MUCH easier to carry, because it had two handles and the weight was much more evenly distributed. I could carry the 4x12 up and down the stairs in my house no problem, those combos on the other hand, hell no!
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#20
Quote by MatrixClaw
Yep.

I had a Mesa OS and Marshall 1960A 4x12 at the time when I had my 5150 2x12 combo and Road King 2x12 combo. As big as the 4x12 was (actually, not that much bigger than either combo), it was MUCH easier to carry, because it had two handles and the weight was much more evenly distributed. I could carry the 4x12 up and down the stairs in my house no problem, those combos on the other hand, hell no!


x2

My mark v combo is 110 or so if i remember correctly with only one small handle. Horrible to carry. 4x12 with 2 handles, much easier.
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x2

My mark v combo is 110 or so if i remember correctly with only one small handle. Horrible to carry. 4x12 with 2 handles, much easier.

Yep.

My Duncan Convertible 1x12 was TINY, but that thing weighed more than any 4x12 I've ever lifted. That ****er was ridiculous trying to move it (I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it weighed like 140 lbs)
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Quote by MatrixClaw
Yep.

My Duncan Convertible 1x12 was TINY, but that thing weighed more than any 4x12 I've ever lifted. That ****er was ridiculous trying to move it (I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it weighed like 140 lbs)


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#23
You live in a house with stairs and you don't own a stairwalker trolly, Derek? Care to explain why?
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I have three flights of stairs.
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And I should add, if you have a proper trolley with a strap it even makes it easier to get into the truck even without a loading dock or ramp. You get into the truck and drag it up by those nice big handles.
It really amazes me when you lot talk about carrying amps around. Seriously, We aren't living in hunter gatherer times; we have wheels, use them. There is no need to hurt your back carrying heavy amps and you don't have to compromise on the size of the amp, just use the right equipment. A little preparation and all the problems go away. You spend thousands on your gear and cant afford a $50 trolley? Wtf is wrong with you?
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In Caths defense, Dollys do work wonders. Three men couldnt move a fridge more than 10 feet. One man with a dolly moved it right out of the house.

Yea simple machines!
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I have 3 flights of stairs on old wooden steps. It's old antique wood. No way a dolly is going up and down them. I have to man handle it up and down. Dolly afterwards if needed.

Really only my Mesa Mark V is a pain. Everything else is easily manageable.
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What you need is a good stairwalker with the right sized wheels and nice cushy tyres. You won't damage a thing. How do you think a removalist would do it? He isn't going to break his back for you, he'll just grab the appropriate trolley.
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Not a big deal. I can lift and move the amp. It builds character. It stays in one place mostly.
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You need one anyway. One never knows when one will need to move a body.
They aren't that expensive and it will one day save your back. I'm sure your amp isn't the heaviest thing in your house and shit happens. One day you'll thank me.
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You live in a house with stairs and you don't own a stairwalker trolly, Derek? Care to explain why?

I like to feel better about myself after accomplishing the monumental task of taking extremely bulky and heavy things up and down the stairs
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I like to feel better about myself after accomplishing the monumental task of taking extremely bulky and heavy things up and down the stairs


Cathbard has never been to the SouthWestern US.

Here we can drive to the local Home Depot and hire illegal immigrants. No need for a dolly.

And that was a very bad joke. Even worse is the fact its true. Personally I do not sanction that type of thing but obviously others do.
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Cathbard has never been to the SouthWestern US.

Here we can drive to the local Home Depot and hire illegal immigrants. No need for a dolly.

And that was a very bad joke. Even worse is the fact its true. Personally I do not sanction that type of thing but obviously others do.


MURICA! **** yea!

Ive had the Team America:World Police song stuck in my head all day.
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MURICA! **** yea!

Ive had the Team America:World Police song stuck in my head all day.


Well you finally got to use it. My favorite part was the "panther". Loved that movie.
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Cathbard has never been to the SouthWestern US.

Here we can drive to the local Home Depot and hire illegal immigrants. No need for a dolly.

And that was a very bad joke. Even worse is the fact its true. Personally I do not sanction that type of thing but obviously others do.

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#36
Why use a dolly when you can get bulging biceps?
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Why use a dolly when you can get bulging biceps?

True that, yo.
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#39
I come in here and all I hear is bitch bitch whine moan complain whine bitch.

BUNCHA DAMN PANZIES! PUT SOME BACK INTO IT!

Alternatively to the dolly, you could always just put some damn casters on your amp. That's what I did to my 2x12 as soon as I got it. Obviously, the dolly has many advantages over this, such as being useful on stairs and gravel, but most often, my head is sitting on top of my 2x12 which I'm rolling about. The rest of the time, I just carry it. Of course, I'm not a small individual. Hell, the factory I used to work at made one-piece vinyl bus floors, and I carried those 20-30ft about every 20 minutes, had to grab them and half0toss them on stacks, and they weighed about 250lbs. We weighed one roll that we used for sides for the most standard size, and it was 92lbs, and we had to carry those around constantly.

If you guys would put your purses down, yyou would find these things are much easier to carry
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I have an aversion to casters ever since I caught one roady using my combo as a billy cart (box cart?) down the loading ramp.
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