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Requirements for the overdrive:
  • Budget: 200 €
  • Transparent but warm, classic-sounding overdrive;
  • Great for being used both as a clean boost AND as a low-to-medium gain overdrive;
  • I'm not looking for one of those Marshall-in-a-box kind of overdrives (like the Fulltone OCD).


Pedals i'm interested in so far:


- Is there any pedal in that list that seems especially adequate for my needs?
- Can you suggest a better pedal than those on the list to meet my requirements?



I have to make the final decision soon, and i must confess i'm very undecided about which one to get...
Those on the list all seem great options, not to mention i'm sure there are dozen other pedals that would also be nice, but i haven't even heard of them.
Thank you very much for your help.
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What amp are you using?
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Quote by AgentOrange...
What amp are you using?

Lots of different amps. Too many to decide on a pedal that works especially well with a particular kind of amp.
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Well personally I'd just get a straight up, working mans, Tube Screamer. Universally compatible, universally accepted, does the job, doesn't break the bank. If I had to choose from that list I'd take the Fulltone.
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If you run lots of amps then pick an amp of yours with nice overdrive and run it through an AB Box with another amp. Otherwise I agree with AgentOrange, go for a Tube Screamer. Or the Boss Ds-1 or the Ds-2, I have the DS-2 and I love it. The DS-1 is also good and really cheap.
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Quote by AgentOrange...
Well personally I'd just get a straight up, working mans, Tube Screamer. Universally compatible, universally accepted, does the job, doesn't break the bank. If I had to choose from that list I'd take the Fulltone.


+1. On the other hand, I use an MXR WYLDE and it does a great job! You can get really nice blues tones with that thing and has a nice and warm sound.
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Quote by AgentOrange...
Well personally I'd just get a straight up, working mans, Tube Screamer. Universally compatible, universally accepted, does the job, doesn't break the bank. If I had to choose from that list I'd take the Fulltone.

+1 to everything this man has said. The Fulltone is great and so is the tubescreamer. Go try them out or listen to demos/comparisons online if you have to.
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Quote by MattCox12345
If you run lots of amps then pick an amp of yours with nice overdrive and run it through an AB Box with another amp.

I don't run multiple amps at the same time (or in the same place, even).

Quote by JoeFlips
Go try them out or listen to demos/comparisons online if you have to.

Already did, i'm still undecided, hence this thread.
I'm hoping somebody here on UG will chime in pointing out something i missed that will help me make up my mind.


Oh, and please don't suggest Boss overdrives (owned a couple, still have an OD-3 i'm about to get rid of). Also, if you're suggesting a TubeScreamer, specify the TS version you have in mind.
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Are you looking for a single, glorious, mind-blowing tone, or would you rather have versatility? Would you rather have a pedal that is less user-friendly but higher quality or a pedal thats straightforward and easy to find a usable tone?

As far as tubescreamers, I find that the TS-808 is a tad smoother and cleaner than the TS9. So they both could get the job done, but the 808 gets cleaner (better for a clean boost) and the TS9 gets higher gain (better for, well, higher gain sounds), IMO.
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maxon od808 (it's cheaper than the TS808)
way huge green rhino
shit, I can't remember who it was but a guy had a "New Rig Day!" on here a while ago and got a new boost pedal that got some nice drive tones as well. it was yellow if that helps.
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The difference between a ts808 and a ts9 is no greater than between two ts9's or two ts808's (apart from the switch). It's two resistors on the output that make no difference in the audible band. If you are buying a ts808 for a tone difference I may have a bridge to sell you.

Get a Bad Monkey. It's a tubescreamer with more control over the tone.
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Quote by JoeFlips
Are you looking for a single, glorious, mind-blowing tone, or would you rather have versatility? Would you rather have a pedal that is less user-friendly but higher quality or a pedal thats straightforward and easy to find a usable tone?

Single, glorious, mind-blowing tone all the way. I don't need versatility.
Got my fuzz and high-gain tones covered, now i want a really good overdrive pedal for low and medium gain tones; and to use as a clean boost as well for some of the tube amps.

To reply to your second question, i'd rather have a pedal that is less user-friendly but higher quality.

Quote by Cathbard
Get a Bad Monkey. It's a tubescreamer with more control over the tone.

Does that mean that supposedly high-end TubeScreamer clones like the Mad Professor Little Green Wonder or the VFE The Scream are, in fact, not worth it?

I admit i didn't have the opportunity to do an A/B comparison between any of the pedals on my list and a TubeScreamer or a Bad Monkey... But i liked them more than my friend's TS-808, i just can't decide on which of the 5 i liked best.
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Does that mean that supposedly high-end TubeScreamer clones like the Mad Professor Little Green Wonder or the VFE The Scream are, in fact, not worth it?

Pretty much, yeah.
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Quote by Linkerman
Got my fuzz and high-gain tones covered, now i want a really good overdrive pedal for low and medium gain tones; and to use as a clean boost as well for some of the tube amps.


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maxon od808 (it's cheaper than the TS808)
shit, I can't remember who it was but a guy had a "New Rig Day!" on here a while ago and got a new boost pedal that got some nice drive tones as well. it was yellow if that helps.


That was me

Xotic AC booster, it's worth checking out. I can't say enough about it.

Also, if you're looking for the clean boost side of things, plus something with more bite check this out - http://www.xotic.us/effects/ac_plus/

It's basically their RC (clean, super transparent) boost and an AC booster in the same pedal. Use em separately, or together.

Other than these, I'd say look into Tubescreamers/badmonkey/insert clone here like others have been saying. I personally find them kind of honky, but they're an industry standard for a reason.
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Quote by Cathbard

Get a Bad Monkey. It's a tubescreamer with more control over the tone.


If he has the cash, might as well get a Hardwire CM-2. It's a Bad Monkey with way better construction and aesthetics, and even sounds better too IMO.
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i thought he said transparent? tubescreamers are not transparent in any way.

something in the same vein but more transparent are pedals based on the marshall bluesbreaker.

you can go for something like the analogman King of Tone or Prince of Tone otherwise getting a clone from BYOC might be worth a shot. i haven't tried to the BYOC bluesbreaker clone but they typically make some pretty great clones.
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Since everyone else is just tossing out product names.

I use a Danelectro Cool Cat Transparent Overdrive basically to break things up a bit on my Twin Reverb.
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+1 i love my timmy (toyroom)

also one of my favorite OD'as that gets overlooked a lot is the MI Audio Blues Pro kind of similar to a tube screamer, but more gain and i prefer it over my BBE green screamer in most every application.

i also have a zendrive (toyroom) which i like a lot as well

i don't ever recommend an OCD, i do own one, but they are fussy and don't get along good with quite a few amps. although it does have a lot of gain.

as far as the Fulldrive goes i like it, and the boost is nice, but i wish you could use the boost without the OD engaged. little less gain than most IIRC but that is solved with the boost.

if you are looking for a tubescreamer i would get a way huge green rhino, very tweakable and does it good.
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Timmy or OD11. The OD11 is available for $99 from PGS, 15% off tomorrow once the Cyber Monday sale starts and is a readily available clone of the Timmy with a few tweaks. Normally, I'd say **** Lovepedal, but for the price, I'm willing to throw aside principles.

Quote by JoeFlips

As far as tubescreamers, I find that the TS-808 is a tad smoother and cleaner than the TS9. So they both could get the job done, but the 808 gets cleaner (better for a clean boost) and the TS9 gets higher gain (better for, well, higher gain sounds), IMO.


No. They're exactly the same. Or as close as any two pedals with the same circuit can be with part tolerances.

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Does that mean that supposedly high-end TubeScreamer clones like the Mad Professor Little Green Wonder or the VFE The Scream are, in fact, not worth it?


The LGW barely resembles a Tubescreamer. It's got the same basic topology but includes an extra feedback path and a much more useful tone control along with some pretty heavy frequency response tweaks. Was basically Bjorn trying to make a Tubescreamer sound good as a stand alone OD and he had to do a lot to it to make it sound like he wanted.

The VFE is built pretty nicely and, IIRC, has some extra frequency shaping abilities. So it might be worth more if you think you'll use them. True bypass if that's a biggie to you, though I say don't worry about it.
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Timmy absolutely. Great characteristic tone and great as a booster or stand-alone overdrive.
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I can get vouch for the Bad Monkey. It's such a a sick overdrive and the tone adjustments make it super versatile. Not true bypass though
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Quote by joe_k
you can go for something like the analogman King of Tone or Prince of Tone otherwise getting a clone from BYOC might be worth a shot. i haven't tried to the BYOC bluesbreaker clone but they typically make some pretty great clones.

Thanks, i'll check them out as well.

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Timmy absolutely. Great characteristic tone and great as a booster or stand-alone overdrive.


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+1 i love my timmy (toyroom)

I see a lot of love for the Timmy... From which dealers could i buy one? How much do they cost?
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Quote by Linkerman
Requirements for the overdrive:
Budget: 200 €
Transparent but warm, classic-sounding overdrive;
Great for being used both as a clean boost AND as a low-to-medium gain overdrive;
I'm not looking for one of those Marshall-in-a-box kind of overdrives (like the Fulltone OCD).


This is the Wampler Euphoria. So versitile
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Quote by Linkerman
Thanks, i'll check them out as well.


I see a lot of love for the Timmy... From which dealers could i buy one? How much do they cost?


There's a 3 month wait if you want one new. You'd have to go used (and pay ~$160, they go for $130 new) or go for that $99 Lovepedal clone I linked to.
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This is the Wampler Euphoria. So versitile

Well, it's just a little bit over my budget, so i could go for it if it's really worth it.

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There's a 3 month wait if you want one new. You'd have to go used (and pay ~$160, they go for $130 new) or go for that $99 Lovepedal clone I linked to.

If i'm to settle on the Timmy, i can handle the waiting period, especially since they're cheaper new than used.

I'm assuming you're all talking about this Toy Room FX?
I can't find any information or pictures about that Timmy you speak of...
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Oh, ok.

So i'm assuming Tim @ Toy Room FX even lets you choose the enclosure colors, knob shapes, etc. on your Timmy clone? That would be awesome.
Do i have to contact him through the website's contact form to ask him for a quote on the final price (Timmy clone + custom enclosure colors + shipping)?
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Quote by Cathbard
The difference between a ts808 and a ts9 is no greater than between two ts9's or two ts808's (apart from the switch). It's two resistors on the output that make no difference in the audible band. If you are buying a ts808 for a tone difference I may have a bridge to sell you.

Get a Bad Monkey. It's a tubescreamer with more control over the tone.



This.
Or The Fulltone Fulldrive 2 MOSFET.

Or a Toyroom FX
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#34
The Timmy was by far the most boring pedl i have ever heard. maybe it just did't work with the amp i heard it on but i thought it was meh.

although i do tend to like my pedals when they change the actual sound when you turn them on. the whole TGP 'i want my pedal to be transparent' is lost on me. i spend my money so my guitar sounds different.......
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Quote by joe_k
The Timmy was by far the most boring pedl i have ever heard. maybe it just did't work with the amp i heard it on but i thought it was meh.

although i do tend to like my pedals when they change the actual sound when you turn them on. the whole TGP 'i want my pedal to be transparent' is lost on me. i spend my money so my guitar sounds different.......

Transparent od/boosts are for when you like your amp and just want to give it a push.
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The BBE Green Screamer does a nice job. Sounds like a tube Screamer to me.
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i will vouch for toyroom fx, tim is the builder (greeny23). amazingly beautiful and clean guts, and both i have sound awesome (timmy and zendrive).

shoot him an email. at one point he was taking a break, but i haven't talked to him for a few weeks.
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Transparent od/boosts are for when you like your amp and just want to give it a push.

This is what the volume knob on the front of my amp does. although i like my LOVE my SHO, i wouldn't call it transparent by any means. You can definately tell it is on.

You should build one with a master volume and give it a go. Brilliant pedal. Getting some grit out of it with your 18Wer would sound awesome.
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Today i got really confused.

I went to a couple of stores with my own equipment and tried all the overdrive pedals i could get my hands on, and to my surprise i kept going back to the Boss OD-3 that was sitting on my pedalboard.

Ibanez/Maxon TubeScreamers, Fulltone OCD, BBE Green Screamer, Digitech Bad Monkey, T-Rex Tonebug Overdrive, Marshall BluesBreaker 2, VOX ICE9... None of them sounded as pleasant to me as my old OD-3.

Is this weird? Am i so used to my OD-3 that my ears trick me into believing that it sounds better than the other pedals?
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Quote by Linkerman
Today i got really confused.

I went to a couple of stores with my own equipment and tried all the overdrive pedals i could get my hands on, and to my surprise i kept going back to the Boss OD-3 that was sitting on my pedalboard.

Ibanez/Maxon TubeScreamers, Fulltone OCD, BBE Green Screamer, Digitech Bad Monkey, T-Rex Tonebug Overdrive, Marshall BluesBreaker 2, VOX ICE9... None of them sounded as pleasant to me as my old OD-3.

Is this weird? Am i so used to my OD-3 that my ears trick me into believing that it sounds better than the other pedals?


next time bring your current pedal so you can A?B them. as long as you sign it in they would be fine with it.

odds are that the amps are different and the whole package (guitar, pedal, amp) and it sounds differently because its not your setup.

if you think your boss is all you need, maybe you don't need to go OD shopping yet.

i have played every OD GC has had in for the last year or two, i have played a lot of them and IMO a maxon OD808 most other OD pedals (i really love my BBE Green Screamer), they are better than what you have, but if you are satisfied, get something when you think you need it.
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