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#1
Im new to these forums because I wasnt getting much from yahoo answers soo here i am.
Im getting a electric for my birthday been playing acoustic for awhile
and I just need some preferences considering ive never dealt with electric guitar's,amps,amp heads whatever else and
My budget is like 500-600 dollars I think? but anyway I was looking online and found this and keep in mind Im going for a Nirvana sound so Im considering this Squier telecaster

with this amp
Fender 25r frontman 1x10

and probably a distortion pedal Like Boss DS-1

and I know that getting a hands on will do better for me and probably will if they have the guitar im looking for at GC when I go there to see what they have
but im building like a I dont know a possibility factor here with these
but i wouldnt mind just ordering it online either soo please give me some type of advice guidance to buying an electric
#2
That's a good guitar, but you can probably do better for an amp. I would recommend a Blackheart Handsome Devil, Jet City Amps JCA20 or a used Fender Blues Junior. You can easily afford a good tube amp, which will sound a lot better and last a lot longer than the Frontman as you get better.
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#3
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That's a good guitar, but you can probably do better for an amp. I would recommend a Blackheart Handsome Devil, Jet City Amps JCA20 or a used Fender Blues Junior. You can easily afford a good tube amp, which will sound a lot better and last a lot longer than the Frontman as you get better.


Not to mention better resale value on them if needed.
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#4
5-600 definitely means tube amps.

I'm fairly sure he used a DS-1 and a Rat for his main distortion sounds. BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. That's what I remember reading.
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#5
While Tube amps are fine to suggest, remember that he is new to electric guitar. Sure, there's nothing wrong with having a tube amp as a first amp, but tastes change over a while, and it's all well and good spending the money on a tube amp that does what he wants now, but if in 6 months time he needs to upgrade or change amps because what he's playing has changed then it's a waste of time. Not to mention he needs a guitar too.

With a budget of $600 in mind, you're probably best off investing in a somewhat decent guitar, as well as an amp that will do versatility as well as sound good. This means modellers more than anything, although there are some pretty versatile small tube amps. Personally I'd split that right down the middle, $300 for guitar, $300 for amp.

On the guitar side of things, most of the Squier stuff is ok. Avoid the Bullet Strats and Tele's, but the cheaper stuff isn't awful for a beginner guitar. The Lower end Ibanez's are also very good guitars for the price.

If you want Nirvana to a tee, the Squier Vintage Modified Mustang will do it too. The Vintage Modified stuff is actually pretty good.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier-Vintage-Modified-Mustang-Electric-Guitar-107920688-i2518199.gc

Basically with guitars, it comes down to playing them yourself, as it's as much about feel as it is about sound in most cases.

The remaining half of the money should be spent on an amp that will be versatile enough to handle any possible changes in style you might have.

If you're set on valves, grab a VHT Special 6 combo. They're pretty versatile amps, and will cover the Nirvana stuff well. They've also got enough in the way of versatility to cover most of the rock spectrum, and if you grab a boost, you can probably do a bit of heavier stuff too.

However, for absolute versatility, you can't go past a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60. You can pick them up for $300 or less used on the GC website all day. They're highly regarded amps, they sound pretty legit and they're great value for money too. They will cover everything tonally too, so you have plenty of options should you wish to start playing other styles of music later on. The regular Vypyrs are good too, but when you can get the Tube version for under $300, that'd be the way to go.


This is mainly referring to new gear (apart from the Vypyr). If you decide to go used the possibilities become endless.


TL;DR

Split the $600 equally between guitar and amp. Grab a Squier VM Strat/Tele/Mustang and a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 and you'd be set, and have a fairly decent setup too.
#6
Perhaps I misunderstood, but I believe the guitar is going to be a gift and does not factor into the budget. I don't necessarily disagree with the versatility option, but for example let's say he gets the Vypyr. Now he may really like the Mesa, or the JSX, or whatever else. He'll probably wanna trade in the Vypyr for the real thing too. Please don't take this argumentative, just my perspective.
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#7
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Perhaps I misunderstood, but I believe the guitar is going to be a gift and does not factor into the budget. I don't necessarily disagree with the versatility option, but for example let's say he gets the Vypyr. Now he may really like the Mesa, or the JSX, or whatever else. He'll probably wanna trade in the Vypyr for the real thing too. Please don't take this argumentative, just my perspective.


I saw him ask if the Tele was a good choice so I assumed the guitar was included in the budget, I'll await clarification from TS, but if the $600 turns into amp money completely, we're in business.

I don't quite get what you're saying with the bolded. Are you making the "the models are good but they won't be as good as the real thing point"?

If so, I do agree with this. However the idea with the Vypyr is that by getting it you have the ability to cover any tonal possibilities that you may want to cover. Sure, the real amps will do those tones better, but at the end of the day the idea of modellers is to get as close to the sound of the original as possible, and provide a larger variety of tonal options than the amps they model.

Sure, the JSX (and a fair few other amps) are plenty versatile. My V3 does pretty much anything. But at the same time, for someone who knows nothing about amps (as TS confessed to) it's probably a lot more sensible for them to go for the modeller, which would require less tweaking to get to the desired tones. It's more of a plug, set and play solution than a fully blown tube amp.
#8
Sure, there's nothing wrong with having a tube amp as a first amp, but tastes change over a while, and it's all well and good spending the money on a tube amp that does what he wants now, but if in 6 months time he needs to upgrade or change amps because what he's playing has changed then it's a waste of time.
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I was addressing this point mainly. Even with a Vypyr or pod etc. He will probably want an upgrade soon too. I agree much more with the point you just made though. It isn't a bad idea to get a modeller that will almost certainly have a couple tones he likes right off the bat.
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#9
Quote by tas38

I was addressing this point mainly. Even with a Vypyr or pod etc. He will probably want an upgrade soon too. I agree much more with the point you just made though. It isn't a bad idea to get a modeller that will almost certainly have a couple tones he likes right off the bat.


Ah gotcha. At least with the modeller he has the ability to play through models of various different amps, leading to making a more informed upgrade decision rather than getting back to square one again, where you have no idea what amp you want for the new styles you're playing.
#10
Hii im going to clear some things up
this is a gift and parents gave me a budget and said pick out guitar and amp so yeahh
I have a budget of 500-600 for both guitar and amp
and I think 600 is kindve pushing it just all depends really
I dont want a mustang nor the jaguar's because I dont want just a cheaper version of kurt's guitar if im going to get a mustang or something im going to get the real fender but thats just a personal preference
and I kindve like the way the tele looks because I had a thought that all squiers suck but this one looks pretty good
and I might have someone switch the humbuckers to like seymour duncans in couple months or sooner if the humbuckers on it dont work out for the sound but kurt used those and alot of grunge players
which would help with the sound im going for
and I dont know much about solid state and tube so the sound im going for should I get a tube?
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#11
Starting out a modeler would be the best.

YouTube fender mustang, peavy Vypyr. Box has one as well as Yamaha.

Try to make sure one that you get has a 12" speaker.

Basically they give you a well rounded sound choice for a cheap price. You aren't stuck to one style of music.
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#12
alrightt soo I didnt change my mind on the telecaster

but you guys said peavey so something like this would be perfect
Peavey amp

or should I still get the fender amp???
Last edited by cobain868 at Nov 30, 2012,
#13
Don't buy the frontman, just don't. It's hard to find a shittier amp.
A Vyper would be a fine option. Find a guitar that feels nice in your hands and spend the rest on the best Vyper you can afford with the money left over.
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#15
Quote by cobain868
alrightt soo I didnt change my mind on the telecaster

but you guys said peavey so something like this would be perfect
Peavey amp

or should I still get the fender amp???



That will work. Contrary to the nonsense of some, many of the Squier guitars are pretty competent instruments.

You should NOT get the Fender amp.

If you can possibly stretch, get the Vypyr 60, as has been suggested, even if you have to go used. It will absolutely be worth it.
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#16
I'm a nocturnal critter, Dan. Must be all those years of gigging at night. But then again just about every critter in Australia is nocturnal, it's too damn hot during the day.
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#17
Point taken

I like Squier guitars Some of them are built really well for the price. In fact I prefer my Squier CV Tele to some of the lower end Fender teles. I would stay away from the Bullet stuff like the plague though, and the Vintage Modified Tele's are worth the extra money over the Affinity ones.
#18
alrightt soo im getting The Squier tele

and either this Peavey amp

or this peavey ampp

only 50 dollar difference but I kinda want to get a Boss Ds-1 pedal which is like 50 bucks :p

now these amps are Tube amps rightt? and this is stupid question but i could use a distortion pedal on either of these right?
#19
Honestly, the biggest downside to modellers is that they tend to hate pedals. It's not a concrete rule, but it generally just doesn't work the greatest. The Vypyr 60 is tube, the 30 is solid state.

I would say you should try to go to GC and play some guitars, especially used. I found an HSS Ibanez that played great, it was 60 bucks and had a screwy jack. I regret not buying that guitar sometimes. Would have been a very easy fix. You can generally find a used Fender Tele for the same price as a new Squier. Something you learn with guitar gear is, unless your loaded, always go used. Everything used is pretty much about half-price. My local GC has a wall filled with used guitars, plus a bunch of them on stands on the floor bunched together. I just wouldn't jump right into a guitar.

You say you've been playing acoustic, do you know anything about single coils vs humbuckers?
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#20
yeahh I play a takamine right now and I dont know much about single coil and humbuckers but i do know thats what I need for the sound im going for reasoning alot of grunge players use humbuckers.
and I dont really want a telecaster like a original one they dont look like the guitar for me but this tele looks awesome the maple neck and the 3 way switch the humbuckers and just my personal thing i dont like the original headstock on telecaster's but I like this headstock like a mustang headstock or something I went to GC once and tried a few guitars soo I have some type of sense but yeah I dont know alot about single coil and humbuckers nor tube and solid state
soo tube is good for pedals but modelers no pedals
#21
With the Vypyr you won't need the DS-1 at all. They're god-awful stock pedals anyway. Kurt's DS-1 was modded to hell and back and it was also a proper vintage one, which were quite good. The $50 difference in price is peanuts for the difference in quality. The Vypyr Tubes are probably the best entry level modellers out there.


Modellers take most pedals fine, but you have to use them smartly. They hate overdrives and boosts, for instance, though you wouldn't need one since you have access to higher gain models anyway. I had no problems running fuzzes or distortions through my old VT15, but it hated ODs, and you have to run all pedals on the clean channel.
#22
Alright thanks dude

yeahh i looked at a video it has distortion on it and everything thats GREAT! but I thought that would be like a solid state if it had those? but its a tube amp? someone explain something to me thanks..

and I was wondering how would I and Could I switch the distortion to clean on the fly? like a foot pedal or somethingg?

but I think I have a everything picked out now might just order online maybe im not 100% yet :p

so far Im getting The Squier telecaster

and also the peavery vypyr tube 60

Im still kindve looking and I found these cheaper peaveys but just wondering if there any good

this one
Peaveyy

and this one peavey ampp
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#23
With the vypyr you can use the Sanpera I and II pedals, they give you a lot of space for more presets, give you one or two expression pedals and lets you access the looper function.
But i think buying one now will surpass your budget? :question:
Sanpera II new is 230 ( http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Sanpera-II-Guitar-Footswitch-105144547-i1413566.gc?source=4WWRWXGP&cagpspn=pla ), and about 183 used ( http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/peavey-sanpera-ii-guitar-footswitch?condition=used ).

These wont work with the smaller 15W vypyr
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#24
Get the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60.
it will sound better than any other amp you've listed so far, combined.

That Tele is a good choice as well. I quite like it. You can also swap the pickups later on.

Do yourself a favor and skip the DS-1. Pedals will not work well with the Vypyr amp, I have experience.

If you can't afford the Peavey Sanpera 2 footswitch then go for the Sanpera 1. it will let you switch between effects and clean/distortion.

To answer your question about pickups:

Single Coil pickups have one coil, or magnet with a wire around it. Properties of these include:
-thinner sound
-don't handle high gain very well
-they have a sort of "spanky" sound
-They emit more static noise than humbuckers (hence the name hum-bucker)

Humbuckers, or Humbucking pickups have two magnets wound together. this eliminates a lot of static noise. Some properties include:
-fatter sound
-less "spank"
-handle high gain (distortion) much better than single coils
-far less noise

hope that helps.

oh, a quick guideline to grunge players and their tones:
Nirvana - high gain, lower midrange (but not scooped), more bass, more treble, humbuckers
Pearl Jam - lower gain, more a classic rock-y tone, medium treble, medium-high midrange, lower or medium bass, and singlecoils for lead (Mike McCready) and humcuckers for rhythm (Stone Gossard)
Alice in Chains - high gain, medium midrange, more treble, medium bass, humcuckers
Soundgarden - Medium/high gain (depends on the song), higher treble, medium mids, and medium to lower bass, humcuckers
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#25
alrightt cool thanks guys glad I came to these forums

I will be getting that telecaster!!

and I might get the peavy vypyr tube 60 if I could if im not pushing on the price but if not sooner or later I will get that amp because honestly seen some reviews looks AWESOME! and seems I could crank it

but if not I might just get the peavey vypyr 15w 1x8 as a temporary amp and probably will get the tube amp in like a month or two

I will take other suggestions if anyone else has any other suggestions

but so far I will be getting the tele and either the 15w vypyr or the 60w amp if I could get away with the price

AND THANKS ALOT for the settings if I want to play nirvana alice in chains that will help ALOT thanks man!!!
#26
Used fender strat or jaguar for guitar line 6 flextone or Vetta the amp.
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#27
OKAY just realized I need a gig bag!!!!
I dont need or want a case right now only moving the guitar will make is to my lesson and thats like every saturday :P
but I want a cheap one dont care about the brand aslong as good case
#28
Don't waste money on the 15w Vypyr if you plan to upgrade man. You will lose money that way.

Get an AXL gigbag. It's what I have for my Cort and it's a decent bag for pretty cheap too. I use it because it's easier to transport like that (it fits between my drummers legs) when I'm driving us to band practices/gigs.
#29
Modelers have everything built inside. They have all the distortion sounds and effects you need. They are designed not to need any pedals. Vypyrs even have modeled distortion pedals built in. I bet you'll prefer the built in distortion sounds of Vypyr to the sound you are getting with DS1. I know it's cool to have a pedal but it's not necessary and you'll notice that it might be a waste of money.
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#31
That's assuming he has a significant ammount of money to begin with. Also I stand by my fender strat/old line 6 recomendation. They completly slay the viper in every concievable way.
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#33
yeahh im getting that squier telecaster I dont want a strat

and im probably going to get the Vypyr tube if I could

also yeahh i cant pitch in much money im still trying to get a job right now and thats not really working out considering im 15 and only like 2 or 3 places would hire me but there already taken i turn 16 soo better chance getting a job or whatever..

I was looking at some used peavey amps and What about the peavey studio chorus 212 2x10? for like $100
Peavey chorus amp
although what is a chorus amp?...

or what about this? Other peavey amp.

but if these dont succeed my needs I will probably just get that peavey 60 tube amp
im just not sure I just need a amp for my bedroom, and I need a case for my lesson
and cases dont go cheap either
#34
Or this Peavey bandit??

OH and can i order these used thing online and have it shipped to me? (dumb question..)
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#35
the peavey bandit will do the deed, but really dude you're throwing your money away. I understand finding a job at 15 is difficult (i did it last year) but you are going to lose money if you buy an amp and then the Vypyr Tube 60.

If anything, just ask for the guitar and then the rest of the money in cash, mow a lawn of two and buy the Tube 60.
it does not make sense to throw your money away, however eager you may be to get a new amp.

yes you can order used items from guitar center and have them shipped to you.
#36
alrightt thanks man and i didnt think of it that way cant mow lawns till like spring though because its december now... xD
but i could always babysit my niece :p

And Im just working out a "IF" factor if my parents say like too muchh or something hope I will be able to get it and thanks for answering my question

and I will defiantly get that peavey tube 60 at anyway possible thanks!!!!
#37
Oh and just wondering I mentioned a fender amp and you guys turned it down pretty fast and wondering why is peavey better than fender amps? me not knowning much just curious :p

like this Fender amp

Or This one

surprisingly theres alot of fender frontman 212R 100w 2x12's

this One comes with a foot switch :p but just out of curiosity why is peavey better than fender for the grunge sound im going for? :p
#38
Don't get the Fender Frontman, Peavey Bandit, or Marshall MG (not that u have mentioned it, but it's a popular amp in your price range). Either Vypyr is a good choice, though the others are right when they want you to get the tube version. Just save up and get it, then work on your skill and be assured that you have an amp you won't outgrow.
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#39
Asking about Fender vs Peavey is pointless. A Frontman isn't really a Fender, it's a cheap crappy solid state Chinese amp that just happens to have a Fender badge.

You have to talk about particular amps, not brands. Peavey make all sorts of amps, some suitable for grunge, some not. Same with Fender.

Get the Vyper Tube 60. Stop looking at Frontmans, they're complete crap.
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#40
Alrightt cool im done looking around now getting that peavey tube 60 then and the squier telecaster thanks guys these forums are pretty Awesome!
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