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D3M0N1C
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Hi all, apologies for creating yet another which guitar thread, but I really need help!

I've been in the market for a whole new setup for a while but only just getting round to it. I started playing a few years back but due to an inferior first guitar and lack of time, I didn't get very far, then life got in the way and I stopped playing. Anyway, my point is, I did play and I did love it, so this time I don't want to make the same mistake.
I'm looking for a whole new setup and haven't really set my mind on anything just yet, but I've been looking at a fender strat or tele.
I'll give you as much information as I can and post back if I narrow it down some as I'm shopping and doing research right now, I'm trying to sort it out this week or next so I get it before xmas, any help is greatly appreciated

Budget: £1000 (For everything, Guitar, Amp, Cables, Headphones etc.)
Genres: Rock
Favorite artists: Pink Floyd, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, The Kooks, Razorlight, Guns n Roses, Smashing Pumpkins, Audioslave.
New or used: Preferably new.
Home or gig: Home/Home Studio
Location: Nottingham UK

Old equipment: Maverick X1 Guitar, Laney CK30 Amp, Boss ME20 Effects. (Hated them both, Amp sounded awful and the guitar was bulky and felt too long, also never stayed in tune).

My thoughts so far: Don't like floyd rose tremolo, (or at least not the one on the Maverick).
I'm looking into the Fender Blacktops and would like something with good playability.

Thanks in advance, Dom.
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1) between 45-60% of your budget should go into your amp: its the biggest factor in determining your sound's quality and tone.

2) with that in mind, I'd take a good look at Godin, Ibanez, Reverend, DBZ, and Fernandes.
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For a lot of the older stuff a strat would work well, and I'm pretty sure Billy Corgan uses one too. On Thomman you can get a Mexican strat for under £400, which may be worth looking into, if you aren't extremely picky about the build location.
As regards to effects, unless I'm mistaken Gilmour and Hendrix often used fuzz faces. There is a pedal by the name of the 'MXR Classic 108' which is essentially a fuzz face in a more convenient shape-those go for about £70+ new. If you're particularly into Gilmour's guitar work, a delay would be worth looking into. I don't have much experience with delay pedals though, so I'm not going to recommend one.
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Hey dudes, thanks for the replies!

Quote by dannyalcatraz
1) between 45-60% of your budget should go into your amp: its the biggest factor in determining your sound's quality and tone.

2) with that in mind, I'd take a good look at Godin, Ibanez, Reverend, DBZ, and Fernandes.


I'm pretty sure I want a strat or tele but when it comes to amps I really haven't got a clue I'm afraid! You don't mention Marshall on your recommendations, any reason why? I was looking at the following:

Marshall MG15CFXMS Micro Stack
Fender Mustang II
Hughes and Kettner TubeMeister 18 - (Sorry if this is a stupid question but this is just an amp head right, and needs to be paired with a speaker? Would I be ok just using this with headphones and getting a speaker at a later date?) I really like this, would look awesome in my setup!

As for my budget, I was thinking £500 for a guitar and maybe £300-£400 on the Amp, £100-£200 on other bits! I know I made I big mistake last time when I purchased a cheap Amp so won't be doing it again! Wasn't exactly inspiring to listen to, not even when an experienced player used it

Hey Aeon, thanks for the input, I probably will end up with a strat of some sort, but as for effects I think I'll worry about that after I've chosen my Guitar & Amp, its doing my head in as it is
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Do not, I repeat, do NOT get the Marshall MG series. It's pretty shitty. I'm also not a fan of the Fender Mustang.

And yea, MOST of your budget should be on an amp. I'd much rather play a midrange quality guitar through a great amp and sound pretty good than a GREAT guitar through a shitty amp and sound shitty.
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The tubemeister 18 has no headphone jack. It is good amp, though, and not too expensive. The budget marshalls generally suck, especially the MG series. The TM18 is based off of an 18w marshall. Strats look like a good choice, many of the artists you listed use them, and an HSS strat could probably do everything you listed quite well. Forget effects for the moment, The mustang's distortion models really suck, and I think you'll need good distortion for those styles. Look at a G&L tribute legacy or find a MIM fender strat that you can try first and you like. That will put you in a good place to worry about the rest later.
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#7
Look for a used JCM2000 DSL401c
It will do all that you want. It has good cleans, great classic marshall crunch (plexish), and will do more modern stuff easily also.

David Gilmore was using a JCM2000 DSL for a while, so I think that will speak for its self
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In your price range, you can get a nice tube combo amp from Fender, Vox, Egnater, Peavey, Orange and many others. I'm sure there are affordable Marshall tube combos in your price range- I just don't know for sure.

My personal take on things is to look more for quality than high wattage. I have a Fender HRD 40w combo, which has plenty of both, but with my life situation, i don't pump that thing over 4. For what I spent, I could have bought a pair of lower wattage amps of similar quality that had different voicings.

I love my HRD, but it doesn't handle metal all that well. I don't play a lot of metal, but i play some, so when I do... So I'm looking at Orange...had I bought a smaller Fender, I would have had that Orange all these years.
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i'd get a traynor ycv50b on thomann (~£450 or so depending on the exchange rate. You'll need to get a UK kettle lead but that's maybe a tenner, if even that. )

guitar... it's up to you, really. the vast majority of what you're playing is single coils, however guns and roses is humbuckers. a tele/strat hybrid might be a nice idea (fret king does quite a nice one) but you still wouldn't have humbuckers. If you want a straight-ahead strat or tele i'd probably get a japanese-made tokai with your budget (they're generally around the £500... sometimes you can get a deal on them for closer to £400, though) as long as you're ok with a vintage spec strat or tele.

while you're getting the traynor on thomann, i'd maybe pick up a couple of harley benton's rebranded joyo pedals- they're clones of sought-after pedals for very little money, and the advantage of buying them from thomann is that you get the 3 year warranty, plus if my (and other people's) experience of thomann's warranty with cheap gear is anything to go by, they don't even ask you to send the faulty one back. Which is pretty handy, parcelling things up is a pain in the ass. I'd probably get the vintage overdrive (it's a tubescreamer clone, and a tubescreamer-style pedal is very handy to have for boosting your amp's overdrive channel to get more gain and saturation). Up to you if you need anything else- the delay is quite nice and would be useful. most of the others are pretty nice too (apart from the chorus, i wasn't too fussed on it), but mightn't be "necessary" as such.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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For Strat/Teles?

Echoing Fret King; reierating Godin, & Fenandes; adding G&L and Tradition. One of those should et you a decent HHH or HSS guiitar in your price range.
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Quote by AeonOptic
As regards to effects, unless I'm mistaken Gilmour and Hendrix often used fuzz faces. There is a pedal by the name of the 'MXR Classic 108' which is essentially a fuzz face in a more convenient shape-those go for about £70+ new.

David Gilmour's use of the Big Muff is legendary, while I haven't heard of him using a Fuzz Face. I'm not saying you're wrong - Hendrix was famous for the Fuzz Face, Gilmour might have used it too - but the Muff was more important to Gilmour's sound. You really can't go wrong having both in your arsenal.
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One thing you might want for copping Gilmour's sound is a Boss RT-20 rotary effect pedal. They aren't cheap or small, but they're damn good, and they are often used as demos in stores, so finding used ones in decent shape is quite doable.

(I haz one and luv it!)

Here's a guy (not me) using the the pedal to dial in a very Gilmouresque sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QrXsrPAFIc

Now, he mentions using the TC Electronics Nova Delay- a damn fine pedal, but again, not cheap. If its not in your price range, you might look at the Line6 ToneCore Echo Park or the MXR Carbon Copy.

TC Electronics also has a smaller delay pedal, the Flashback.

Red Witch has the compact & affordable Violet Delay and the phenomenal (put PRICEY- nearly $400 these days) Titan.

The Moog MF-104 can probably do it all, and at $679, it damn well better.
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
For Strat/Teles?

Echoing Fret King; reierating Godin, & Fenandes; adding G&L and Tradition. One of those should et you a decent HHH or HSS guiitar in your price range.


forgot about godin- good call. G&Ls are silly expensive over here- however, pro guitar shop does export them. But whether you'd want to buy a guitar from the other side of the world, I dunno. When you look at how much you'd be saving, though, it's more attractive
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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You should consider going used. Your dollar will go A LOT further.

For the guitar, seems pretty obvious to me that you should get an MIM HSS Strat. They aren't hard to find.

Quote by Robbgnarly
Look for a used JCM2000 DSL401c
It will do all that you want. It has good cleans, great classic marshall crunch (plexish), and will do more modern stuff easily also.

David Gilmore was using a JCM2000 DSL for a while, so I think that will speak for its self


+1. Maybe also look into Egnater or Orange... it's hard for me to say because I'm not sure of pricing on things where you are. If you linked to a site you could order from, that'd be really helpful.

Given the amount of FX you need, and given your limited budget, I'm very inclined to say get a GOOD multi FX pedal. Something like the Line 6 M13 or M9 is budget is pressing. Of course like I mentioned initially you'll have to go used to fit all of this into your budget, but the tone will be worth far more than having a receipt or a useless warranty.
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i agree your money goes further if you go used, but at the same time a warranty isn't useless if something just dies on you (especially if you know nothing about electronics). you could have an expensive paperweight at worst or at best have something in used condition that you paid no less for than a new version, once the cost of the repairs are taken into account. With no warranty if something else goes wrong- used can quickly become a money sink if you're not careful and just get a run of bad luck (which is unlikely but which can happen).

Of course- used doesn't mean it definitely will break. Of course it doesn't. And sometimes you get lucky and find someone who used it once and put it back into its box. Of course that's a good deal. But sometimes the "you're silly if you don't go used!" brigade acts like nothing will EVER go wrong if you go used, and that's silly too.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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Every tube amp I've owned I've bought used. I've never had one "die".

My experiences are anecdotal... but unless you're buying a Bugera or some other cheaply made POS, there really isn't anything worth worrying about.


Then again, I have bought only Peaveys, so maybe I'm just spoiled by their reliability.
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yeah i'd be wary of anecdotal evidence, especially with only the one brand. Aside from anything else, if it's been misused (say, run at the wrong impedance for hours on end at volume, or even run without speakers connected) that's gonna render the company's reliability more or less moot.

Not to mention... statistics matter very little when you're talking about individuals (or maybe they do and it's more that the way most people think statistics work, er, isn't the way statistics work ). It doesn't matter if I buy from a manufacturer with a 1% failure rate, if the one I happen to get is the one that fails. And without a warranty you're always sorta taking that chance. Plus sometimes you can get a lemon which is never really right even if it's fixed... with warranty you can get a replacement. Granted, i guess if you fixed it up enough you could sell it on and let the next poor sap take the hit... that doesn't sit too well with me ethically, though. If I knew something was dodgy i'd just take the hit. Which is another reason why used doesn't work out so well for me. Some people are willing to just buy used and if they do get ripped, pass it on to someone else. Not saying everyone who buys used does that, or anyone round here would do that, of course. But it does make it a lot less of a risk buying used if you are willing to do that.

I mean... i bought an HBE big d used, and i think it's dodgy (to be fair to the guy i bought it from on ebay, i think it has got worse since I got it, but at the same time I don't think it was quite right at the start, either... unfortunately it was just right enough that I didn't notice at the start ), it has a lot of background noise etc. It's still sitting in its box because I wouldn't have the neck on me to sell it to anyone. I think HBE will fix it for a fee if you send it to them, but being in northern ireland, postage might make that prohibitively expensive.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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Don't buy pedals yet. Just buy the amp and the guitar. You can always buy pedals later when you feel that you need them. But first I would try to get a good sound without any pedals and then if you still feel that you need something, buy pedals. It's easy to spend a lot of money on pedals and notice that you use some (if not all) of them very seldom.

For example, I don't use my chorus pedal any more. I don't regret buying it but it was kind of €100 wasted money. My band's guitarist uses it though so it's not completely useless. But the clean channel without effects sounds good so I don't need the chorus.
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Wow! A big thanks to you all for taking the time out to help me, if I could buy you all a drink I most definitely would, I do appreciate it

I'll post back after processing all the information lol!

For now I'll just say that I may be able to push my budget a little higher if its going to make a difference, I'm willing to spend up to £1000 just on a guitar & Amp, I'll worry about everything else later. As for new or used equipment, I would rather have new because I know I look after stuff, so it should last....that being said I could cope with a second hand Amp, I'd just prefer not to lol, but a guitar I would definitely want new!

Also I'm 85% sure I'll be getting a Fender Strat of some sort, but I'm still pretty clueless about an Amp, you guys are helping me narrow it down quickly though! It will only be for bedroom use, so doesn't need the power to bring down the house, an Amp that produces great tone on lower volumes would be nice, also the majority of my playing will be late evenings and at night, so I'll be using headphones frequently.

Thanks for all the help so far!
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On the amp front: get a tube combo amp 5-40w- anything more will be wasted- with decent cleans.

Check out Fender, Egnater (esp. Tweakers), Peavey, Vox, Carvin...maybe Orange or Blackstar if you're more metal oriented.
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I do like the Tubemeister 18, but I'm just being a tart I think because it would look nice in my setup lol, that being said it does get good reviews and is supposed to have good tone at lower volumes, but as stated earlier there's no headphone port??? Why is this? Would the speaker I pair it with have a headphone port on it? Apologies again if this is a silly question, I just assumed all Amps would have a headphone port.
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I agree about the Fender Mustang, thumbs down. I was planning to get one but I thought the distortion chanells sounded terrible.
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I own a 60th Ann. Deluxe Am. Strat. I really enjoy it; this is my third stratocaster...I keep upgrading but I think I have hit the sounds I want now. I have three other guitars - two classical one built by a luthier in Germany, and one Washburn acoustic. I don't play for money anywhere but do enjoy a lot picking with friends on my patio at home. I am using a Fender amp, the G Dec 3, I will probably upgrade this in the future but for now I'm satisfied. All of my sons, 4, play instruments, my youngest son has a 6 string Ibanez and has played for a couple of jazz clubs in Fayetteville and Myrtle Beach.

Good luck in your search...I like my Strat!
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I was under the impression I could get a really good Amp head with no speaker and just use headphones for the time being, but that doesn't seem to be the case as most of them have no headphones port? I've only been researching amplifiers this past week as I'm still pretty clueless really, so please forgive me if I come across as a total amateur
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Quote by D3M0N1C
I was under the impression I could get a really good Amp head with no speaker and just use headphones for the time being, but that doesn't seem to be the case as most of them have no headphones port? I've only been researching amplifiers this past week as I'm still pretty clueless really, so please forgive me if I come across as a total amateur

Most of the big amps don't have headphone out because they aren't primarily designed for bedroom use. And that way the manufacturers will get you to buy another amp for home practicing only.

If you want to play with headphones only, buy a multi FX pedal.
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The G Dec 3 has a jack for head phones, works with the MP3 player and you can plug in your computer to try other music or backing tracks. That's one of the reasons I got this to try out. It is easy to record on for playback as well and it was only about $300.00.

There are nearly 100 backing tracks already recorded from all genre's...I know there are a lot more expensive amps but this one works for me right now. Good hunting :-)
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Quote by D3M0N1C

For now I'll just say that I may be able to push my budget a little higher if its going to make a difference, I'm willing to spend up to £1000 just on a guitar & Amp, I'll worry about everything else later. As for new or used equipment, I would rather have new because I know I look after stuff, so it should last....that being said I could cope with a second hand Amp, I'd just prefer not to lol, but a guitar I would definitely want new!


I'm not sure pushing your budget up will really help all that much- at least if you know what you're doing and buy the stuff that's good value.

that traynor i listed is (barring just coming across a really good deal, say a shop blowing out old stock or something like that) as good an amp as there is without spending about double that money. IMO, obviously.

Ditto an MIJ Tokai- I'd pretty much take an MIJ Tokai fender copy (assuming I wanted a vintage spec fender-style guitar) over anything in fender's catalogue short of the american reissues. And even they only really get the nod because of the nitro finish (and tokai does nitro fender models too for only a slight upcharge, though they never seem to be available here in the UK for some reason). the fret kings are a bit more modern- and as i said, you can often get deals on them for around the £400 mark (often enough that i wouldn't pay any more than that for one). I'd probably take a fret king blue label over anything short of the USA fenders (which are a fair bit more money).
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

Last edited by Dave_Mc at Dec 3, 2012,
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The Tubemeister has an built-in red box, so you can connect it thru line out to a PA-system, soundcard or a stereo. From there you can use headphones. The Tubemeister is very versatile and should cover all your needs. It also comes in a combo version but the construction of the combo is really bad so it's a mess if you want to change tubes in that one. The head is much easier.
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#30
though if headphones are a dealbreaker the traynor probably doesn't have that capability. just to point out.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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I'm sick of posting it and I'm sure people are sick of seeing it posted, but... if you need solid tone at low volumes and headphone out, look at the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60.

Most good amps don't have headphone outs. That's a features almost exclusively reserved for practice amps (which coincidentally usually don't sound great). There's some exceptions, but none I know of off the top of my head.
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Hello again folks, I've been looking into the advice and suggestions given so far and think I'm finally getting somewhere. I didn't realize that asking for a headphones port on a high end Amp was too much

What I'm looking at so far:

Guitar:
Fender Strat MIM
Tokai Strat MIJ
Fret King
Godin Session
G&L Tribute Legacy

Amp:
Peavey VYPYR Tube 60 - Good features but not able to achieve the right tone?
Traynor YCV50B - No headphone out?
Marshall JCM2000 DSL401 - x2 on ebay right now! Headphones port & able to achieve the right tone?
Tubemeister 18 - No headphone out? Connect to a sound card through the integrated redbox, would this create delay?

Effects:
TC Electronics Nova Delay
Big Muff
Boss RT20
Moog MF-104

Also, along with my primary needs in an Amp (Headphones out and low wattage), if I could achieve a 3D Rotary/Gilmourish tone similar to the video Danny posted earlier I'd be very happy

Effects aren't my main concern just yet, but if I end up with some change I'll look into it. If its gonna cost me £400 ish in effects to get the sound I want, would the Moog MF-104 be worth looking in to? It is very expensive and usually I wouldn't even consider it, but.....if it eliminates the need for anymore pedals, is it worth the money? I'm only a novice so I'm sure some of this seems overkill, but I want to spend what money I have towards it now to get the best set up possible, before I end up spending it on useless shit or computer upgrades lol.

Cheers.
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Ok...
Fender Strat MIM
Tokai Strat MIJ
Fret King
Godin Session
G&L Tribute Legacy


You pretty much cannot go wrong with any of those: take a microscope to the specs, try out any of those you can.
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TC Electronics Nova Delay
Big Muff
Boss RT20
Moog MF-104


Again, all good, quality options.

Delay pedals:

The Moog does it all, and does it well, but for that price, it damn well better. The TC Nova is another pricey but excellent pedal. If you're considering these, you should also look at the top- end Red Witch* pedals. Again, you simply can't go wrong if you can afford those. However, you might also consider less expensive options like the Line6 ToneCore Echo Park, the MXR Carbon Copy, and the Red Witch Violet Delay.

The Boss RT-20 is a killer pedal. I own one, and it does EXACTLY what it says it does. I bought mine a long time before I saw this video, but that video upthread illustrates why it is so good.

Distortion Pedals:
The Big Muff** is a classic distortion pedal, well made and does what it is supposed to do at a good price. Is an industry standard for that reason. There are other good ones out there worth considering- like the offerings from Visual Sound or Red Witch.


* I have several Red Witch pedals.

** I own a Russian Big Muff and just got the Visual Sound Jekyll & Hyde and the Red Witch Famulus.
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
Ok...


You pretty much cannot go wrong with any of those: take a microscope to the specs, try out any of those you can.


Cool, thanks for the help Danny, your a star!
Its gonna be a hard decision between them. Considering I want Gilmourish tone, do any of them stand out to you more than the others? There isn't a decent music store near me so its difficult to test anything out before I buy it, our local music stores a joke! Best I can do is get as much information as I can, then make a decision. I've used a Fender Strat MIM before, but never picked any of the others up, or even seen them in the flesh.
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As for the guitars, I only know the Tokai and Fret King by reputation. I've played the others, but I don't own any of them. My only knock on the Fender is a personal one- for some reason, Fenders don't feel good in my hands. The Godins and G&Ls just simply felt better against my body and in my hands, and that may not be true for you.

The thing is, Fenders are Fenders, and tend to hold resale value better than anyone except maybe Gibson. This has 2 implications:

1) if you are looking at a guitar with an eye towards selling it down the road, the Fender is your best bet.

2) if you are considering buying used, the Fender is your worst choice, because the other brands will be cheaper on the used market for guitars of equivalent quality and condition.

All of that said, the number one factor in the tone you're chasing will be your amp, and there, I have to let you down. I don't know ANY of those personally, and my only amp is a 40w Fender HRD combo. I was looking for as clean a sound as I could find so my ridiculous pedal collection could be the deciding factor in what I sound like.
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All of that said, the number one factor in the tone you're chasing will be your amp, and there, I have to let you down. I don't know ANY of those personally, and my only amp is a 40w Fender HRD combo. I was looking for as clean a sound as I could find so my ridiculous pedal collection could be the deciding factor in what I sound like.


No worries Danny, thanks for your opinion. It was my initial plan to go all out clean then use pedals to get what I want too, I thought it would be easier that way, but I love the soothing, beautiful Gilmour tone more than anything! Not gonna get my hands on one of those Yamaha Leslie Amps tho am I

I'm not sure what will be the deciding factor guitar wise, I'm not too bothered about re-sell value as I'll most likely keep it as part of my collection or pass it on to family later down the line.

I'm pretty impressed with the tone he achieves in that video you posted, with the Boss RT20 & Nova Delay, so I'll definitely be looking into them. The Moog MF-104 is a definite no no, I thought it was an effects pedal, not just delay, doh! I'll be doing a lot more reading and posting before I decide on an Amp though, cheers dude
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Quote by D3M0N1C

What I'm looking at so far:

Guitar:
Fender Strat MIM
Tokai Strat MIJ
Fret King
Godin Session
G&L Tribute Legacy


i'd stroke the MIM fender off that list unless you mean the classic series- the standard MIMs have pretty mediocre (by that i mean shite) stock pickups which would need to be upgraded ASAP.

I'd also stroke the G&L tributes off the list- as i said, if you were willing to buy online you can get a USA one for ~$1000 on pro guitar shop. Granted you might get hit for customs (so that's worth bearing in mind and could add £100-£150 or so to the overall price), but it does make the UK prices of the tributes look very, very expensive (and the USA ones too, of course).

obviously buying online is more of a risk, and it's up to you whether or not you're willing to take said risk (and it's your own risk if you do take it- don't go blaming me if you try it and it blows up in your face, lol, I warned you!), but personally I'd be struggling to buy the tribute if i knew i could get the USA one for no more online. it'd be like buying a ford from a local dealer when i could get a porsche online for the same price, kind of thing.

EDIT: i have no experience with the effects other than the muff, and have only tried the traynor and dsl401 (i'd vastly prefer the traynor, it's ply and has a decent speaker, the marshall, er, isn't and doesn't But if the headphone thing is a dealbreaker, the marshall has it and the traynor doesn't, so... )

Quote by dannyalcatraz

The thing is, Fenders are Fenders, and tend to hold resale value better than anyone except maybe Gibson. This has 2 implications:

1) if you are looking at a guitar with an eye towards selling it down the road, the Fender is your best bet.

2) if you are considering buying used, the Fender is your worst choice, because the other brands will be cheaper on the used market for guitars of equivalent quality and condition.


that's a very good point, and worth bearing in mind.
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Only buy online from sellers with a good return policy.
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Thanks for stopping by Dave, yeah its doing my head in trying to narrow it down, I definitely wouldn't order from a different country, I'm not brave enough to take the risk lol! After a bit of thought, I don't think the Godins will be the quality I'm after either, I kinda like the G&L tributes, if it weren't for the risk factor as you point out, are the USA builds that much better? If the pickups on the MIMs are that bad I'll probably give them a miss as I don't really want to buy a spanking guitar and start tinkering with it. I'm also weary about the build quality of the Tokai, are they any better/worse than the MIM Fenders? If I were to purchase a MIM Fender Strat, and replace the pickups with the EMG DG-20's, would it be worthwhile?

I'm looking at a few more Amps if anyone has anything to say about them, with Gilmourish tones in mind:

Peavey Classic 30 - Too loud for bedroom use?
Laney Cub 12R?
Fender Blues Junior?
Fender FSR Hot Rod III Blues Junior 'Red Nova' Two-Tone?

From what I've read, most people seem to think Marshall Amps aren't a good choice for what I'm trying to achieve?
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Just to clarify: while there are reasons not to buy a Godin, quality isn't one of them- they're as well made as any other brand you've looked at, if not better.
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