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crazysam23_Atax
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I recently heard this statement said by a woman I'd just met. I admit I don't really agree with it. But it got me wondering (a few days later)...how much of the Pit thinks humanity has some sort of divine spark? Even if you just think that "spark" is known as your "conscience"? Is there something in humanity that makes us special, something that could be attributed to some higher being?

Or would you say, "No"? If no, why?


Now, let's please not turn this into another thread where the "religious" people bash the Atheists or visa-versa. This isn't meant to be a "religious" topic; it's more a philosophical discussion. So, mind your manners, gentlefolk!
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G-d?


OT: No. Prove it or shut it.
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Nah, I think we're just animals.
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Even from a Christian POV, saying that God is in everyone is meaningless because God is in everything in the universe according to the bible- It's not impressive at all.
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Not God, but I believe our level of self-awareness and state of consciousness fundamentally sets us apart from other animals.
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Nah, I think we're just animals.

Ok, why? Expand on that please.

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If God is in everyone then shouldn't the Devil be in there to?

Well...humans certainly seem capable of great evil.

I mean, at the least, I'm sure a lot of us can remember laughing at the nerdy kid in school or maybe even being that kid ourselves. So, at the least, most of us are capable of small cruelties.

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Even from a Christian POV, saying that God is in everyone is meaningless because God is in everything in the universe according to the bible- It's not impressive at all.

I agree. I didn't say that the statement made sense to me. To me, when this lady said it, I went, "Wtf?!"
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Humanity is special above all other animals due to our intelligent thought process and emotions. So yes, humanity is special, but not from a divine creator.
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I believe that the word 'God' is nothing more than a metaphor to describe what the material universe itself is. So saying that God is everywhere is like saying that the universe is everywhere, so it's not a very impressionable statement.
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Ok, why? Expand on that please.

Well like, we evolved from apes and junk. So we're part of the big family of animals, man.
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Is there some "spark" in us? Objectively, there is no way of knowing at the present, so the question is purely subjective. However, allow me to rephrase the question slightly:

Is there something in sentient life that makes it special?

I don't believe that humanity is unique in being self aware and I don't think that individuality and personality are unique to being human.
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Well like, we evolved from apes and junk. So we're part of the big family of animals, man.

That doesn't mean you can't recognize the qualities you have that set you apart from everyone else in the family.

Face it dude, you're special as hell.
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That doesn't mean you can't recognize the qualities you have that set you apart from everyone else in the family.

Face it dude, you're special as hell.

Oh, I know :3
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There´s good and bad in us all. Nothing to do with god. Some people have empathy some people are shitheads. Simple.
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Call it God, call it humanity, it doesn't matter. I believe that if there is a creator, he isn't something outside of ourselves. We're all just extensions of one consciousness, different manifestations of a single mind.

Or, like, whatever.
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This from the guy who frequently complains about psuedo-intellectual wanking?

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No, the burden of proof is on the religious, they are making the claim. The default is the supernatural does not exist as nothing supernatural has ever happened.
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Call it God, call it humanity, it doesn't matter. I believe that if there is a creator, he isn't something outside of ourselves. We're all just extensions of one consciousness, different manifestations of a single mind.

Or, like, whatever.

That makes literally no sense.
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#21
No. Human are just primates cursed with illusions of grandeur.

Oh, btw, when someone says 'I'm Christian but I believe God is more like a divine happiness that an actual entity' you can break of the entire conversation there. They aren't Christian, in any sense - they're just talking metaphysical bollocks and labeling themselves with a 'respected' religion so that people don't laugh at them (though I contest that such a label shouldn't prevent such).

If you're going to say 'God is just human spirit' then you're just admitting that there's no reason to believe in a metaphysical God and you're just going to redefine it to mean what you like so you can still go to prayer meetings and feel warm and fuzzy.
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That makes literally no sense.

Well, it kinda does if you're accepting that there is a creator. He's the creator, dammit, he does what he wants! But really, I'm just saying that, if it exists, I'd think the human soul would be a piece of God. It's quite simple, really.
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No. Human are just primates cursed with illusions of grandeur.

Oh, btw, when someone says 'I'm Christian but I believe God is more like a divine happiness that an actual entity' you can break of the entire conversation there. They aren't Christian, in any sense - they're just talking metaphysical bollocks and labeling themselves with a 'respected' religion so that people don't laugh at them (though I contest that such a label shouldn't prevent such).

If you're going to say 'God is just human spirit' then you're just admitting that there's no reason to believe in a metaphysical God and you're just going to redefine it to mean what you like so you can still go to prayer meetings and feel warm and fuzzy.

I agree 100%, but I just got a kick out of that.
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That's just something some people say to:
- manipulate others to do their bidding ("God is in me so you'd better do what I tell you") or,
- cleanse themselves of responsibility ("God made me do it, he's in me").
The more you say 'epic' the less it means.
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I don't really know what you're asking, but I don't believe that humans are special via some higher being.
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Quote by crackerpleaz
Well, it kinda does if you're accepting that there is a creator. He's the creator, dammit, he does what he wants! But really, I'm just saying that, if it exists, I'd think the human soul would be a piece of God. It's quite simple, really.


What human soul?
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Well, it kinda does if you're accepting that there is a creator

It still doesn't really. If he created something, he's a seperate entity from it. Unless he's like a actor/writer. In which case he is present in the thing he created, but doesn't inhabit anything but his own character.
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Now, let's please not turn this into another thread where the "religious" people bash the Atheists or visa-versa. This isn't meant to be a "religious" topic; it's more a philosophical discussion. So, mind your manners, gentlefolk!
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It still doesn't really. If he created something, he's a seperate entity from it. Unless he's like a actor/writer. In which case he is present in the thing he created, but doesn't inhabit anything but his own character.
wut about a houze?

Or the idea that an author lives on through his work?
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I believe in God. I'm Greek Orthodox, specifically. I believe God isn't "in" anyone. I've never heard anyone say that. I suppose, that because the Christian belief is that God is omnipresent, the dominating belief isn't that God is inside of you but that he's just watching you.

I'm pretty private about my religious beliefs and only chimed in because no one else was offering a christian point of view to Sam's question. There isn't any proof and hasn't ever been any proof. That's why it's referred to as "Faith."

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wut about a houze?

Building the house doesn't mean you are in the armchair.

Or the idea that an author lives on through his work?

Are you trying to say Nietzsche was right?
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Or the idea that an author lives on through his work?


That's simply a metaphor though, there's no metaphysical mumbo-jumbo going on. An author isn't literally alive through his/her work, it's simply that their ideas are preserved.
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Building the house doesn't mean you are in the armchair.


Are you trying to say Nietzsche was right?
But there's an idea that when you create something, part of you goes into it. Not like literally. But so you write a novel. Your thoughts and feelings go into it. So your ideas are living in that book.

I don't know enough about Nietzsche to answer that.
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I think everyone is their own god.

You breathe, sleep, eat, drink, earn money, spend money, and do various other things just for your sake. You do it without question, you do it with unflinching resolve, you've been doing it religiously since the day you were born, and you'll keep doing it religiously till the day you die.

For you, there is no stronger religion than you.


Unless you're an existential nihilist or some shit like that.
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Sorry...habit. I meant "God". Allow me to edit...

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#38
Yeah, I believe that we do have a 'divine spark'.

But I freely admit that I can't prove it, and I'm certainly not offended if anyone disagrees.
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#39
Quote by crackerpleaz
Well, it kinda does if you're accepting that there is a creator. He's the creator, dammit, he does what he wants! But really, I'm just saying that, if it exists, I'd think the human soul would be a piece of God. It's quite simple, really.
Pretty sure that's what Hindus believe... A piece of Brahman is in everyone, and Nirvana is basically the ultimate realization that your "soul" is identical to Brahman. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong - my knowledge of Hinduism is lacking and I don't want to misrepresent anyone's faith).

OP, you're basically a Hindu.
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I think everyone is their own god.

You breathe, sleep, eat, drink, earn money, spend money, and do various other things just for your sake. You do it without question, you do it with unflinching resolve, you've been doing it religiously since the day you were born, and you'll keep doing it religiously till the day you die.
You just described biological processes (even money as power), which have very little to do with "being your own god". That's just... being driven by physiological needs.
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