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#1
This guitar is pretty weird and I got this idea mainly from tenor guitars and a guy with a similar guitar on Youtube.
Specs:
4 strings (not a bass dammit!)
.30-.42-.52-.80,
E - B - F - F low to high Look at the edit at the bottom!
Alder body or hard maple.
Neck through and maple fretboard.

The pickups would be tight and very crunchy with "round" highs. It also should bring out harmonics if that is possible. Hard to describe thou.

The body would almost be like a Schecter C-1 with a thin "waist" and sharper horns. The cutaway should be deep.
The headstock would be like this:
http://www.notreble.com/buzz/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/J-Backlund-JBD-800B-Headstock-with-D-tuner.jpg

What do you guys think about that?

Edit: the tuning should be F#-F#-B-E low to high! And the lowest string is an octave down, hence the fat .80. Hope I cleared it up a bit.
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4 string guitar...why?
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Quote by racertj5
4 string guitar...why?


... Why not?

People talk about extended range guitars all the time, what's wrong with the idea of a reduced range guitar . The idea is perhaps a little odd, but being different is pretty much what custom guitars are all about - there's no reason it couldn't turn out brilliantly.
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It sounds unusual, which means you should go for it! :-P
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Quote by racertj5
4 string guitar...why?

this is what i was thinking

with four strings it woundt be good for too many chords outs side of triads unless you ignore the fifths
im assuming this isnt mean for jazz

having said that go for it
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Its like more for single notes and like two finger power chords and the tuning and string gauge creates depth.
Then for some tapping like you would on a bass.
But I haven`t figured how it would work out with scales...
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It's an interesting concept imo, but wouldnt it be better to just tune 4 strings on a 6 string guitar to that tuning? I suppose for a project its a cool idea but its not very practical.

I like the idea for the body and headstock shape though!

EDIT: just re-read the OP and realised the range of the tuning. My apologies
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Do you guys have any idea of how much this approximately would cost?
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Id love a four string guitar. Infact, you should make a 3 string guitar thats specifically designed for power chords only, lol. Hell sounds cool to me.

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Dat troll ^^
You could tune it to E-B-F#-F# also, or E A D G. I like these weird tuning.
Those two highest strings tuned to F# are kinda for "drones".
Sometimes I tune my 7 to C# F# B E G# C# C# and then you have those two C#`s for drones. You should try it.
Take a look at this guy, he has a baritone 4 string:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtyJHv4yGKk
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Edit: the tuning should be F#-F#-B-E low to high or F-F-B-E as long as the bottom string is an octave lower than the other one above it. Hence the fat .80.
Forgot to write that and I mixed it up a bit.
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Last edited by Lyrax at Dec 8, 2012,
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Tbf in my opinion it sounds like a cool and innovative guitar. Have you started on it yet?
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Quote by Boonnoo666
Tbf in my opinion it sounds like a cool and innovative guitar. Have you started on it yet?

No. I don`t know a thing about making guitars myself.
I probably will go see a guitar luthier for my 18th birthday and see if he could make this idea reality. That`s like 3 months away.

But it sounds intriguing doesn`t it?
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How is this pointless? Tenor guitars do exist. In fact there are plenty of manufacturers of Tenor guitars. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean its pointless, people do play them.

I say go for it, see if you can get a custom one done. That'd be pretty cool.
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Quote by Explorerbuilder
This idea is pointless.
If you want a guitar with that tuning, just have a normal 6 string made at a baritone scale and tune it to that, AND still have a full guitar to play with.

All these "innovative" ideas people get are ridiculous. There is a reason they havnt been made, its pointless.

If people thought like that the stratocaster wouldn't be in existence hell the electric guitar that you know and love wouldn't even be here if people thought like that.

On topic, this sounds really weird. I wouldn't know what to do with it but if you could do something cool with it go for it.
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reminds me of how max cavalera used to (probably still does?) pull the 2 high strings off his guitars, even at one point he had some signiture BC Rich warlocks that were basicly normal 6 string guitars, but the last 2 tuners wernt even drilled out, so you could only use 4 strings on them

if its what you want, go for it, silly traditionalists trying to stop people because they arnt doing things 'right' and 'proper', u guis mad cos im using strings twice as thick as standard (17-74) and tuned down an octave? hah :P
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Quote by TunerAddict
Didn't Wes Borland play a 4 string baritone guitar?

Borland actually does play one! I just noticed he played on one during the song Nookie on Woodstock 99.
He also does use it during the song Full Nelson I found out.
I always thought that it was the bass doing that.
I`m so getting this guitar.

Edit: The guy in the video built his guitar according to Wes Borland`s specs on his 4-string.
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Last edited by Lyrax at Dec 11, 2012,
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Quote by Explorerbuilder
This idea is pointless.
If you want a guitar with that tuning, just have a normal 6 string made at a baritone scale and tune it to that, AND still have a full guitar to play with.

All these "innovative" ideas people get are ridiculous. There is a reason they havnt been made, its pointless.


There are some chords I just can't play.

I forget which, but they are some of the bizarre barre chords for Jazz. If I even attempt them I get a burning sensation in my hand.

My teacher taught me to just play the part of the chord that he bass does not. It works pretty well.

I've also found that I work better with a wider neck, the increased string spacing makes things generally easier on me.

Now, while I don't necessarily agree with the tuning, the concept sounds excellent. The guitar spacing could be tailored to the individual, and when playing with a band, the lack of the two strings would not be missed. Let's face it, many solos and lead riffs only use two or three strings anyway, so the lack of the others would not be lamented either.
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It seems that it would save a lot more hassle if you went with an extened scale bass. It's basically what you'd be building.
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#23
^ This. A 4 string bass with picolo strings is essentially what you are taking about here. Nothing innovative im afraid.

On a separate note:

Didn't Wes Borland play one?


Yes, he did! Im so getting one!111lulz


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Quote by seabear70
There are some chords I just can't play.

I forget which, but they are some of the bizarre barre chords for Jazz. If I even attempt them I get a burning sensation in my hand.

I really hate to be that guy, but you seriously need to work on your technique if that's the case. It could be factors, such as posture, that are preventing you from progressing as a guitarist.

I recommend that you make a thread in the technique forum and see what those guys recommend before deciding that you'll never be able to do certain things. Usually, it just depends on how badly you want to learn something.

Also, I personally think a 4 string guitar is a waste(and that Wes Borland really sucks and shouldn't be emulated lol), but the TS should do what makes him happy. Just keep in mind that there are good and bad ideas. ExplorerBuilder was right in that not every idea is "innovative" or even worth attempting.

And sometimes a guitar's range can directly affect the growth of a musician, so in reducing the range, you may be deliberately handicapping yourself. It just depends on how good you currently are, and how good you aspire to be.
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Quote by W4RP1G


Also, I personally think a 4 string guitar is a waste(and that Wes Borland really sucks and shouldn't be emulated lol), but the TS should do what makes him happy

Off topic: What exactly makes you think that Wes does suck?
On topic: If the guitar had a semi-hollow body, how would it affect the sound?
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Quote by Lyrax
Off topic: What exactly makes you think that Wes does suck?
On topic: If the guitar had a semi-hollow body, how would it affect the sound?


Er he's in a band named after a proper gay masterbatory frat game? Is that not bad enough?
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Quote by Wesbanez
Er he's in a band named after a proper gay masterbatory frat game? Is that not bad enough?

The dudes in Limp are pretty talented except Durst`s songwriting skills.
Please don`t tell me that you think he sucks ONLY because he is in Limp Bizkit?
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Quote by Lyrax
The dudes in Limp are pretty talented except Durst`s songwriting skills.
Please don`t tell me that you think he sucks ONLY because he is in Limp Bizkit?


Quite the contrary, I simply don't wish to wear my keyboard out typing each and every last reason.
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Quote by W4RP1G
I really hate to be that guy, but you seriously need to work on your technique if that's the case. It could be factors, such as posture, that are preventing you from progressing as a guitarist.

I recommend that you make a thread in the technique forum and see what those guys recommend before deciding that you'll never be able to do certain things. Usually, it just depends on how badly you want to learn something.


It's more about four decades of damage to my hands.

I've gained a lot of flexibility over the last year, but there are going to be limits.

BTW : Today marks one year of playing the guitar.
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Quote by Lyrax
Off topic: What exactly makes you think that Wes does suck?
On topic: If the guitar had a semi-hollow body, how would it affect the sound?

Ok, "sucks" was an exaggeration. "Mediocre" would have been a better word to use.
Quote by seabear70
It's more about four decades of damage to my hands.

I've gained a lot of flexibility over the last year, but there are going to be limits.

BTW : Today marks one year of playing the guitar.

Oh, sorry to hear that. If you haven't already tried this, there are some great stretches you can do to help loosen up your hands. Here's a video of the stretches I do:
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Quote by W4RP1G

Oh, sorry to hear that. If you haven't already tried this, there are some great stretches you can do to help loosen up your hands. Here's a video of the stretches I do:


I'll give them a shot, I'm sure it will help some.
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Okay, if my pinkies pop like **** after reaching a certain angle, what should I do?

Sometimes I have issues with tapping while using my pinkie and they start to hurt after a while.
After they pop while reaching that certain angle of bending I lose strength.
The doctors I have visited say that they can`t do anything really.
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