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Hi there, not been satisfied with the tones coming from my Boss ME-25 or my VOX VT-30 (Good amp, but I'm a metal player!)
I play a lot of Thrash Metal in the style of Megadeth, Metallica, Municipal Waste, Anthrax and Testament. I would like a new amp. I'm on a tight budget and at most I could probably scrape £200 but that's maximum. I don't mind if it's a head or a combo.
Anyone got any recommendations?
I'd preferably buy it new and online and it needs to be gigging material. Ideally 30/50 watts.
I am a rhythm player and I like the style of Dave Mustaine, Eric Peterson and Scott Ian.
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Wow. With that budget go used.

Free bump. I am un the US so I don't know your prices. Something Marshall might be cheap there. A used JCM800 combo? Jet City 50w?
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Wow. With that budget go used.

Free bump. I am un the US so I don't know your prices. Something Marshall might be cheap there. A used JCM800 combo? Jet City 50w?


£200 is $322.08
Marshall JCM800s, even used at that price are out of the question
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That's only about $320~ here in the US so I don't know much of what you could get for that cheap. Like he said above, maybe something like a Marshall JCM800 but I don't know if you'd be able to get one that cheap.
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That's only about $320~ here in the US so I don't know much of what you could get for that cheap. Like he said above, maybe something like a Marshall JCM800 but I don't know if you'd be able to get one that cheap.

As I said, even used, JCM800 at this budget is out of the question.
Even a high end pedal will be good for me, I just want a better tone >.<
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Wow. With that budget go used rob a bank.




seriously, though, obviously don't go and rob a bank.

Jet city maybe?

http://www.thomann.de/gb/jet_city_amplification_112rc.htm

the 22 watt combo would be better, but they seem to be out of stock of it. From what I can remember, it wasn't much dearer, and it has an extra, higher gain channel (which is what you want). But that'd be better than nothing if thomann doesn't get any more in (they seem to be winding down their dealership of the jet city stuff).
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seriously, though, obviously don't go and rob a bank.

Jet city maybe?

http://www.thomann.de/gb/jet_city_amplification_112rc.htm

the 22 watt combo would be better, but they seem to be out of stock of it. From what I can remember, it wasn't much dearer, and it has an extra, higher gain channel (which is what you want). But that'd be better than nothing if thomann doesn't get any more in (they seem to be winding down their dealership of the jet city stuff).

Thanks, but I'm not really a fan of the tone :/
I may consider getting a Metal Muff pedal.
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Jet City > Metal Muff everyday.

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Jet City > Metal Muff everyday.

Not really in my opinion to be honest.
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One thing you didn't mention was if this budget needed to include a cab or not. I'm assuming not with all of my prices. I'm also going off of used prices, as you aren't going to find anything worthwhile new on your budget. No offense, I'm poor too, just a reality.

You could look for a Peavey Windsor. They're basically JCM800's. In fact, with a few small mods, you can make them the exact curcuit as a JCM800.

The Jet Cities would be a good option

You could also look into a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60. It's a modeller with a 6505 power section, meaning it's not all-tube, but it's a modeller, what more do you want.

Another option that usually goes for cheaper than the 800's is a JCM900. The best one to go with is the SL-X, although the MKIII is good too. Avoid the Dual Reverb unless you want to mod the shit out of it. If you're fine with that, Cathbard could give you some help with it. The issue is that the DR gets almost all of it's gain from Solid State parts, and the MKIII gets a little push from some SS stuff. The SL-X is all-tube, though.

If you aren't too bothered by hybrids, the Blackstar HT amps would be good to look into. They'll do Thrash no problem. I would avoid the HT-1 and HT-5 if you ever plan on gigging. If you only ever want to jam in your bedroom, then those would be about perfect.

An Egnater Rebel 20 could probably hit Thrash territory with a boost. The rebel 30 would work, too, but it might be out of your budget.

A Peavey Ultra would work fine for what you want.

That's about all I've got. If you could save up a litte more money, then we could get you some really good options, or even get you the exact rig that most of the Thrash scene was started on. With the Windsor or anything JCM800 related, you would need a boost for sure to get that true Thrash sound, in case you weren't aware.
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Quote by Boonnoo666
Not really in my opinion to be honest.


yeah it is. obviously tone is subjective. but your opinion is wrong. sorry.
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One thing you didn't mention was if this budget needed to include a cab or not. I'm assuming not with all of my prices. I'm also going off of used prices, as you aren't going to find anything worthwhile new on your budget. No offense, I'm poor too, just a reality.

You could look for a Peavey Windsor. They're basically JCM800's. In fact, with a few small mods, you can make them the exact curcuit as a JCM800.

The Jet Cities would be a good option

You could also look into a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60. It's a modeller with a 6505 power section, meaning it's not all-tube, but it's a modeller, what more do you want.

Another option that usually goes for cheaper than the 800's is a JCM900. The best one to go with is the SL-X, although the MKIII is good too. Avoid the Dual Reverb unless you want to mod the shit out of it. If you're fine with that, Cathbard could give you some help with it. The issue is that the DR gets almost all of it's gain from Solid State parts, and the MKIII gets a little push from some SS stuff. The SL-X is all-tube, though.

If you aren't too bothered by hybrids, the Blackstar HT amps would be good to look into. They'll do Thrash no problem. I would avoid the HT-1 and HT-5 if you ever plan on gigging. If you only ever want to jam in your bedroom, then those would be about perfect.

An Egnater Rebel 20 could probably hit Thrash territory with a boost. The rebel 30 would work, too, but it might be out of your budget.

A Peavey Ultra would work fine for what you want.

That's about all I've got. If you could save up a litte more money, then we could get you some really good options, or even get you the exact rig that most of the Thrash scene was started on. With the Windsor or anything JCM800 related, you would need a boost for sure to get that true Thrash sound, in case you weren't aware.

Thanks for all these suggestions, I would try to get something from a higher price range, but I'm crap at saving and I don't have a job. I could potentially sell my Vox or Boss but that'll involve a lot of thinking and still I'd have to save loads more.
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if you're willing to go used, sometimes laney vc50s come up for not much more than your budget. they'd be worth considering. might do the thrash thing a bit better than jet city, too, since they're pretty much hot rodded marshalls (with a clean channel). they're the (discontinued) combo version of the vh100r (which is the 2-channel version of the GH), so if you could find any of those to try in a shop it might give you some idea of what it's like.
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if you're willing to go used, sometimes laney vc50s come up for not much more than your budget. they'd be worth considering. might do the thrash thing a bit better than jet city, too, since they're pretty much hot rodded marshalls (with a clean channel). they're the (discontinued) combo version of the vh100r (which is the 2-channel version of the GH), so if you could find any of those to try in a shop it might give you some idea of what it's like.

I tried to find it, nothing :/
To be honest, it's gonna be a long time until I can afford any new amps, so I'll probably get a Metal Muff.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
if you're willing to go used, sometimes laney vc50s come up for not much more than your budget. they'd be worth considering. might do the thrash thing a bit better than jet city, too, since they're pretty much hot rodded marshalls (with a clean channel). they're the (discontinued) combo version of the vh100r (which is the 2-channel version of the GH), so if you could find any of those to try in a shop it might give you some idea of what it's like.


I can +1 that, cause I absolutely love my VH100R.

However, TS, you should really just try saving up more and take every opportunity you get. You must have some sort of income, just tighten the belt. I was a student when I got my LP Studio. And unemployed when I got my Laney, but I had been saving for a year for this amp. Same goes for the guitar. The way I saved for these, well, I stopped buying pretty much anything else than what you need to live, which means food.
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I can +1 that, cause I absolutely love my VH100R.

However, TS, you should really just try saving up more and take every opportunity you get. You must have some sort of income, just tighten the belt. I was a student when I got my LP Studio. And unemployed when I got my Laney, but I had been saving for a year for this amp. Same goes for the guitar. The way I saved for these, well, I stopped buying pretty much anything else than what you need to live, which means food.

Umm.. £5 pocket money a week :L
If I could save much, I could get up to £500. But that is pretty crazy for me. Never saved over £130...
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Well, it looks like this could be two good things for you:

1.) You can learn how to save your money better. It's one of the most essential skills to have. It's something I'm still working on, because I impulse buy all of the time, but I can honestly say that I haven't ipulse bought anything in probably 5 months now.

2.) At the end of this, you can get a new amp that will be legions ahead of what you're current budget will allow.

It just comes down to patience, discipline, determination, and, in this case, remembering what the end result will be.

Sure, you could grab a soda, OR you could save that and instead of a Soda, get a kickass amp that has the potential to make you even more money.

You could buy that Metal Muff now, OR you could save that money and put it toward an epic amp.

The key is to set a goal and hold yourself to it.
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Well, it looks like this could be two good things for you:

1.) You can learn how to save your money better. It's one of the most essential skills to have. It's something I'm still working on, because I impulse buy all of the time, but I can honestly say that I haven't ipulse bought anything in probably 5 months now.

2.) At the end of this, you can get a new amp that will be legions ahead of what you're current budget will allow.

It just comes down to patience, discipline, determination, and, in this case, remembering what the end result will be.

Sure, you could grab a soda, OR you could save that and instead of a Soda, get a kickass amp that has the potential to make you even more money.

You could buy that Metal Muff now, OR you could save that money and put it toward an epic amp.

The key is to set a goal and hold yourself to it.

Yeah, thing is I don't buy stuff all the time like a drink or sweets etc. I see something I need EG: A case (Which I still need) or a tuner or a CD and I'm suddenly set back. But yeah, I'll try. My trouble is it'll take ages to get a JCM800, but I'll try to discipline myself. Thanks
Edit: Mind you, I'll need to save for like 5 years...
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Yeah, thing is I don't buy stuff all the time like a drink or sweets etc. I see something I need EG: A case (Which I still need) or a tuner or a CD and I'm suddenly set back. But yeah, I'll try. My trouble is it'll take ages to get a JCM800, but I'll try to discipline myself. Thanks
Edit: Mind you, I'll need to save for like 5 years...


You won't be on pocket money for 5 years... That sounds quite horrifying.
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Laney AOR amps are great and can be found cheap used.

+1 to the Peavey Windsor also, I just bought the Windsor Studio 1x12 combo and it has a great Marshally tone to it and it only cost me $149.99 used at GC (in the USA)
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You won't be on pocket money for 5 years... That sounds quite horrifying.

Okay, good point, soon enough I may get a job. But at the moment I can't. I have exams to work towards so I'm skint.
Tbh I'll probably just stick with my VOX for now.
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I don't know how old you are, your living conditions, or the availability of music gear over there but I can tell you what I did myself. I have a Peavey Valveking (100 watt all tube head) Marshall 4x12, Crate 4x12, BOSS ME-70, Dunlop crybaby not to mention the various cords/tuners/picks and guitars bought and sold over the years. Everything I mentioned so far I spent less than 1100.00$ US. Buy used, always used the Valveking at the time listed for 600$ but Guitar Center put it on clearence for 300$ because they couldn't sell it in store. Deals don't come along every day but you have to be proactive in looking for them. I'm a big thrash fan myself (my nick name is Johnny Thrash) and more likely than not if you have a good tube amp you don't even need a distortion pedal. The guitars I use are usually the cheapest companies make but a solid amp will contribute to your tone more than a guitar will more often than not. I will note that over the years I've found that you don't want to just automatically scoop all your mids out. Don't be afraid to turn up high mids a little. If money is a serious hurdle, analyze things in your life that are important. I've sold items from my other hobbies to fund gear purchases. Or sell an older piece of gear if the new item will make the old superfluous.
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Still not got a new amp and am saving. No one got any more suggestions?
Ps: Is it too late to come back to this thread?
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Laney AOR amps are great and can be found cheap used.

+1 to the Peavey Windsor also, I just bought the Windsor Studio 1x12 combo and it has a great Marshally tone to it and it only cost me $149.99 used at GC (in the USA)


All of this.
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Blue Voodoo is cheap as well. Not sure on prices in the EU if you can even get them

The Windsor is great for that 800 tone.
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Don't get the metal muff its terribad, if your dead set on a dirt pedal you should look at the joyo pedals I forget which ones are the marshal in a box but um yeah. If you get really lucky you might be able to find a JVM combo in your range used, although the valveking or winsor combo is more realistic. Edit forgot about the blue voodoo
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Thanks guys, I've kept an eye out for a Windsor / Valveking, and I'm saving a bit further as I've seen these go used for £200.
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Thanks for the advice, I've actually been looking around for the Peaveys, and unfortunately there aren't any JVMs in the range used.
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The Crate Blue Voodoo is a great amp if you get one made before 97, if you want an amazing thrash amp that not a lot of people play or seem to know about find a Crate Stealth. It's Crate's first tube amp and was designed by Lee Jackson who was famous for hot rodding Marshall 800s! So basically you get the 800 sound at a Crate price. I own a head and a combo and they are my secret weapon to my sound. Don't let the people who dog Crate fool you, they make some amazing products!
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I ment JCM damn autocorrect changed it on me. The crate and ampeg tubebamps are awesome they are worth a serious look.
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Don't worry guys, I've got a Peavey Valveking head on the way! Cost me £172 second hand
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Nice! Make a NAD-thread when you get it.
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^^ nice
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If you need a bit "more" out of the amp, a Digitech Bad Monkey will do basically what a Tubescreamer will, but for about a quarter of the price!
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Well, I'm quite late to this thread. I'll try to contribute to the pedal side of things, now that you have an amp.

http://www.thomann.de/ie/harley_benton_crunch_distortion.htm is the Joyo "marshall-in-a-box" losing battle was talking about in post #28. I have one, it's good, but it will probably be useless to you.

http://www.thomann.de/ie/harley_benton_vintage_overdrive.htm is a tubescreamer clone (as far as I know). I can't say what it sounds like but apparently it's good.

http://www.thomann.de/ie/digitech_bad_monkey.htm is another tubescreamer type pedal. I have one of these and it's quite good, also has the bonus of being more usable if you play bass, since you can boost the lows.

Either of the tubescreamers would go well with your amp, and you might be able to find them for cheaper in a local music shop (since you won't have to pay shipping).
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I don't think you will be as satisfied with a Peavey as you will with any other amp listed, but best of luck to you with it.
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