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#81
Quote by blake1221
Element, I couldn't find it. I feel like LemonInfluence or someone smart posted it, but it might be in a different shooting thread. I'm not sure.

Sorry :/


Knew it was someone smart. Can't find it, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

That's the only thing I can think of. I don't know who posted it, I just know it wasn't me, I remember seeing it on here for the first time.

Also it was posted in the other thread before this debate was forbidden there.

Don't know how much weight it really carries. But I'm sure that if there wasn't as much media attention it mightn't even occur to these people that going on a rampage was an option.

It's like a form of morbid advertising. It doesn't make you want to get back at society, but if you're looking for some way to get back at society you go with the one that you know is effective.
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Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
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#82
Quote by Todd Hart
Protecting them from what? Seriously, what possible situation is there where you whipping out a gun is going to make your family more safe?

Home invasion: well, they're probably armed as well, and almost certainly more willing to use it.

Mass murder in a public place: the other guy is clearly happy to kill, and you adding more bullets into the fray in a blind attempt to be a hero is just going to get more people killed.

Government conspiracy to murder you (I include this because apparently this is a big fear in America): yeah, I think the government has better weapons and training than you.

Animal attack: Mhmm, potentially.

Guerrilla terrorist force sent by the commies: they're better trained than you and more willing to kill.

Robot rebellion: they're made of metal, good luck fending them off with your 9mm.

Alien invasion: they're clearly more technologically advanced, your weapon isn't likely to help.

Second coming: it's mother****ing Jesus, what you gonna do?


Damnit Todd. I always agree with you. On everything.
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#83
Quote by bradulator
yeah, and people who are mentally ill and who are driven to do such subhuman things WILL plan it out like that. That's what makes them different than those who just get pissed off and can't control their anger.

And would rather take my chances with a mentally ill person wielding a butcher's knife then a hand gun.

It's like this country is too afraid to try something that seems to work well in other countries.
#84
Quote by JohnnyGenzale
Damnit Todd. I always agree with you. On everything.


So if I were to propose that you would look much better in a zebra onesie and in my sex dungeon your response would be...?
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#85
Quote by bradulator
In what world is this? One where guns aren't even manufactured or sold illegally?

Pretty much all illegal guns in the US start out legal. They're just rerouted through straw purchasers. Cut off the legal supply and the illegal supply largely dries up.

Yeah people could try making their own, but come on amateur made guns? I'd still take my chances.

There's also smuggling, but I'm not sure where people would even try to smuggle guns in from. We're the ones who provide guns to all our neighbors.
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#86
Quote by WCPhils
That't not what I meant.

What I'm saying is that a lot of people talk about, well then only the mass murders will have guns and we won't be able to defend ourselves. I don't see how that line of reasoning works since you almost never (and I can't think of any) here about some gun wielding vigilante killing the rampaging psychopath.

I don't know about any in mass shootings like this, but there are tons of examples of people using guns to save them and others in the case of burglaries and what not.
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#87
Quote by Todd Hart
So if I were to propose that you would look much better in a zebra onesie and in my sex dungeon your response would be...?


giver or receiver?
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#88
Quote by JohnnyGenzale
Bombs? Chemical weapons? Really?
Are you really bringing these in as arguments now? You fail to see the point.


Um yes, really. Really. I know, crazy right? Take away guns, and people find other easy ways to kill people.

Crazy.

A knife, a gun or a bat is easily accesible, can easily be transported, hidden, disposed of and is not expensive whatsoever. A bomb or a chemical weapon is a ****ing tool in a straight out war. It's strange that there's not more chemical weapons massacres here in Europe.


Bombs and chemical weapons are tools on this earth, not just war. Ordinary people can make them if the determination and resources. They can be simple, handmade, etc. An average chemistry teacher has the knowledge to make a variety of lethal concoctions. And these weapons can be hidden, transported, disposed of.
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#89
Quote by ErikLensherr
Pretty much all illegal guns in the US start out legal. They're just rerouted through straw purchasers. Cut off the legal supply and the illegal supply largely dries up.

Yeah people could try making their own, but come on amateur made guns? I'd still take my chances.

There's also smuggling, but I'm not sure where people would even try to smuggle guns in from. We're the ones who provide guns to all our neighbors.


Plus, if home-made (lol) and illegally purchased firearms were to be just as common if gun laws were increased then the UK would be having comparable rates of gun-related homicide.

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#91
Quote by Carnivean
Um yes, really. Really. I know, crazy right? Take away guns, and people find other easy ways to kill people.

Crazy.


Bombs and chemical weapons are tools on this earth, not just war. Ordinary people can make them if the determination and resources. They can be simple, handmade, etc. An average chemistry teacher has the knowledge to make a variety of lethal concoctions. And these weapons can be hidden, transported, disposed of.


Then why aren't bombs/chemical weapons used in countries where guns are not as accessible?

Guy 1 loses temper, badly. Gun at home. Shots down his neighbour and people on the street.
Guy 2 loses temper, badly. No gun at home. Googles how to make a bomb, makes bomb. Kills neighbour a few months later.
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#92
Quote by Lemoninfluence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

That's the only thing I can think of. I don't know who posted it, I just know it wasn't me, I remember seeing it on here for the first time.

Also it was posted in the other thread before this debate was forbidden there.

Don't know how much weight it really carries. But I'm sure that if there wasn't as much media attention it mightn't even occur to these people that going on a rampage was an option.

It's like a form of morbid advertising. It doesn't make you want to get back at society, but if you're looking for some way to get back at society you go with the one that you know is effective.


Thank you.
#93
Quote by Todd Hart
Plus, if home-made (lol) and illegally purchased firearms were to be just as common if gun laws were increased then the UK would be having comparable rates of gun-related homicide.

No, it's incomparable due to the cultural differences between us and you.
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#94
God why did I look at the comments in the Yahoo articles about this? I must really hate myself.

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#95
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That't not what I meant.

What I'm saying is that a lot of people talk about, well then only the mass murders will have guns and we won't be able to defend ourselves. I don't see how that line of reasoning works since you almost never (and I can't think of any) here about some gun wielding vigilante killing the rampaging psychopath.


What? First off, there's some pretty bad errors in your post, and it's a bit difficult to understand some parts. Second, I'm not exactly sure why you brought this up (if i'm understanding it right)? I never made that argument in the first place.
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#96
I hate to burst everyones bubble.... but debating gun control on ultimate-guitar isn't going to change a damn thing, you people need better ways to cycle your energy.
#97
Quote by Todd Hart



Well I was going to be wearing a crocodile onesie, so I guess we follow the food chain. Afraid I come out on top.


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#98
Quote by AxeToFall
I hate to burst everyones bubble.... but debating gun control on ultimate-guitar isn't going to change a damn thing, you people need better ways to cycle your energy.

Browsing this site will achieve very little and yet, here you are.
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Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#99
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There are actually states where you can buy a gun with 0 background checks? That's fucked up yo. Why doesn't someone fix that?


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I would sooo take my chances in a world where crazy people had to use bats, knives, forks, etc. to try to carry out their killing sprees.

Anders Breivik would have killed a lot less people if he only had a semi-automatic fork.
#100
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I hate to burst everyones bubble.... but debating gun control on ultimate-guitar isn't going to change a damn thing, you people need better ways to cycle your energy.
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#101
Quote by Carnivean
What? First off, there's some pretty bad errors in your post, and it's a bit difficult to understand some parts. Second, I'm not exactly sure why you brought this up (if i'm understanding it right)? I never made that argument in the first place.

Sorry, it wasn't really supposed to be directed at you.
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#102
Quote by JohnnyGenzale
Then why aren't bombs/chemical weapons used in countries where guns are not as accessible?

Guy 1 loses temper, badly. Gun at home. Shots down his neighbour and people on the street.
Guy 2 loses temper, badly. No gun at home. Googles how to make a bomb, makes bomb. Kills neighbour a few months later.


They are used in countries where guns are not accessible. 2011 Norway attacks come to mind. A car bomb (made from a mixture of fertiliser and fuel oil). Maybe we should make fertiliser and fuel oil illegal?
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#103
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There are actually states where you can buy a gun with 0 background checks? That's fucked up yo. Why doesn't someone fix that?


Because everytime a politician brings it up, he's an unamerican liberal commie and the NRA funnels ungodly amounts of money to his opponent.
#104
Quote by devourke
There are actually states where you can buy a gun with 0 background checks? That's fucked up yo. Why doesn't someone fix that?

cuz fuck you, that's why.


what's up with your sig?

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#105
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I hate to burst everyones bubble.... but debating gun control on ultimate-guitar isn't going to change a damn thing, you people need better ways to cycle your energy.


These kinds of posts are always the stupidest of all.
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#106
Quote by bradulator
No, it's incomparable due to the cultural differences between us and you.


There's not a great culture divide: the UK and US share a vast amount of its entertainment and the like.

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#107
Quote by Xiaoxi
cuz fuck you, that's why.


what's up with your sig?

Some guy in the anonymous confessions thread yesterday made a giant post about all the people on UG that he hated, and he went into a whole lot of detail for all of them and then at the end he was like "And **** xaoxi". No explanation at all lol.

edit: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=30745823#post30745823

here
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#108
Quote by Carnivean
They are used in countries where guns are not accessible. 2011 Norway attacks come to mind. A car bomb (made from a mixture of fertiliser and fuel oil). Maybe we should make fertiliser and fuel oil illegal?


Breivik was a terrorist who planned the bombs and the shootings at Utöya for like 5-6 years.

I doubt the people responsible for the school shootings plan it very long. Mostly a few weeks/months.

There's a difference between the semi-spontaneous school/mall massacres and a straight out terrorist attack by a polticially fundamentalist.
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#109
Quote by devourke
Some guy in the anonymous confessions thread yesterday made a giant post about all the people on UG that he hated, and he went into a whole lot of detail for all of them and then at the end he was like "And **** xaoxi". No explanation at all lol.

Oh yea.

I love the attention. Thanks anon.

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#110
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Because everytime a politician brings it up, he's an unamerican liberal commie and the NRA funnels ungodly amounts of money to his opponent.


What's the NRA getting out of this deal? I mean, I can see they like a hunt, but enough to spend millions of dollars lobbying government? I don't really get why they're so feverishly pro-gun. All this "pry it from my cold dead hands" routine is really strange to me.
#111
Quote by devourke
Some guy in the anonymous confessions thread yesterday made a giant post about all the people on UG that he hated, and he went into a whole lot of detail for all of them and then at the end he was like "And **** xaoxi". No explanation at all lol.

I know who this was btw. He (or she?) basically confirmed it to me via PM. But I'll never tell.
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#112
Quote by Todd Hart
There's not a great culture divide: the UK and US share a vast amount of its entertainment and the like.


There is a great cultural divide in regards to gun culture.
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#113
Making certain guns illegal makes them harder to get and reduces gun crime , it's a fact.

The only thing stopping it is american paranoia that there's always a criminal out there tooled up like rambo looking to kill you or that the government is going to turn into north korea overnight.

"sport" is not a legitimate reason to use a handgun ( a tool designed to kill people) and the fact that people can buy .50 cal sniper rifles is beyond a joke.
#114
Quote by bradulator
There is a great cultural divide in regards to gun culture.


Yes but that could be resolved in two or three generations if people actually read and understood the constitution.
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#115
Quote by Johnny_Ibanez
What's the NRA getting out of this deal? I mean, I can see they like a hunt, but enough to spend millions of dollars lobbying government? I don't really get why they're so feverishly pro-gun. All this "pry it from my cold dead hands" routine is really strange to me.

People want to own guns because the second amendment and self defence and there are people who want to make money selling these people guns.

So they band together and form a massive lobby group.
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#116
Quote by Lemoninfluence
People want to own guns because the second amendment and self defence and there are people who want to make money selling these people guns.

So they band together and form a massive lobby group.

The 2nd Amendment argument is so stupid to me. Like, that was 200 years ago when guns took one minute to fire each round.
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#117
Quote by WCPhils
The 2nd Amendment argument is so stupid to me. Like, that was 200 years ago when guns took one minute to fire each round.


And it also states that only a state militia may have firearms.
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#118
Quote by JohnnyGenzale
Breivik was a terrorist who planned the bombs and the shootings at Utöya for like 5-6 years.

I doubt the people responsible for the school shootings plan it very long. Mostly a few weeks/months.

There's a difference between the semi-spontaneous school/mall massacres and a straight out terrorist attack by a polticially fundamentalist.


The bomb was made out of fertilizer and fuel oil. Anyone can make bombs if they have the resources. Just because they are terrorists does not make them this special exclusive group that knows secret knowledge of bomb making. Oklahoma City Bombing also comes to mind. Two guys who were pissed at the government.

Just because bombings like these are usually labeled as terrorist attacks doesn't mean that bombs cannot become a common weapon used by the average joe.

Also, schools get bomb threats all the time.
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#119
Everyone should be issued a handgun (children a BB gun) and trained to shoot at the assailant.
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#120
Quote by Carnivean
The bomb was made out of fertilizer and fuel oil. Anyone can make bombs if they have the resources. Just because they are terrorists does not make them this special exclusive group that knows secret knowledge of bomb making. Oklahoma City Bombing also comes to mind. Two guys who were pissed at the government.

Just because bombings like these are usually labeled as terrorist attacks doesn't mean that bombs cannot become a common weapon used by the average joe.


Your argument is still terrible

Just because there's other methods of killing people you are somehow justifying guns being accessible to anyone out of principle?

Fertilizer, fuels, knifes etc all fill a primary purpose that is not to kill people (or well most knives.) Guns have one purpose. It's like a car. It is exactly what it is. Nothing more nothing less.
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