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keks_
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Beginner here, as you can tell form the guitar selection. I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I have a burning desire to start playing. If I get hooked I'll spend a few thousand on my next guitar but for now this will just be something to play around with.

Which would you buy and why:

Squier Standard Stratocaster Left-Handed Electric Guitar Antique Burst ($225)

or

Epiphone Les Paul Special II Left-Handed Electric Guitar Heritage Cherry Sunburst ($185)

or what else would you recommend?

Music I love, and will try to learn: My Chemical Romance, John Mayer, Boys Like Girls, Oasis, Metallica.

Also, what is the best software to connect the guitar to a computer and play around with effects? Is it possible to get close to the John Mayer sound using software?

Thanks for helping a lefty. I am not looking to buy an amp, I just want to plug into a computer and listen through headphones or record.
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I am pretty sure Ibanez make some left handed gio models. Some people will tell you they aren't as good but as long as you get a hard tail bridge (no wammy bar) they are amazing guitars for the price. Yamaha Pacificas also get amazing reviews around here
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Thanks!

What about those two guitars I posted? How do they compare?
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Standard series squires are pretty solid... step up from the affinity series and that les paul your looking at
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Neither of those are good quality at all. Epiphone makes some nice guitars but the special ii is of poor quality. The squiers are cheap as well really only playing off the fender name, although I have heard the vintage modified ones are not bad. Haven't played one myself
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If you're just beginning, I'd suggest not to play lefty. Not a wide selection, and what you do have, the right hand counterpart is less expensive (eg; the Squire you listed is just over the $200 mark for the right handed one).

Because you have a good variety of music you'd like to play, I'd say go for the Squire, but get an HSS version if possible, or like above, a hard tail Ibanez Gio that also has a HSS pickup configuration.
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So I'd buy a righty guitar and play it inverted? Wouldn't that make things difficult if I look at tabs etc? Wouldn't everything be reversed?
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Quote by racertj5
Neither of those are good quality at all. Epiphone makes some nice guitars but the special ii is of poor quality. The squiers are cheap as well really only playing off the fender name, although I have heard the vintage modified ones are not bad. Haven't played one myself
When you're say they're not good quality what does that mean? They sound bad/inaccurate?
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I'd sound like a lefty playing right-handed. Same way I can't write right-handed, or do anything else righty. I've held a righty guitar right-handed before, it felt so...unnatural.
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Quote by keks_
So I'd buy a righty guitar and play it inverted? Wouldn't that make things difficult if I look at tabs etc? Wouldn't everything be reversed?



No, learn how to play right handed. Just because you're left handed doesn't mean that you have to play guitar so. I have a friend who's left handed when it comes to writing and everything else, but plays guitar righty. Learning to do so will open more options for future guitars should you stick with it.
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Unfortunately I don't see that as an option. Without going into a long explanation, imagine how you'd feel playing tennis with your left arm. There's a certain amount of dexterity you acquire in your dominant hand/arm, so playing lefty is the only way to go for me.

Looking at reviews the Les Paul Special II got a 4.1 out of 5 on musician's friend, based on 33 reviews. Doesn't that seem decent, at least for a beginner?

Should I buy different strings than the factory ones? If so can I string and tune it myself based on online tutorials? Thanks!
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You forget that the people reviewing are beginers, no offence they don't know any better. Also if it helps at all, I am a lefty that plays righty but it is up to you. As far as the lp and the squire. Badly put together bad sounding hardware etc. Also anything without a hard tail at that low of a price will be a nightmare to keep in tune
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Thank you I really appreciate your honest feedback. I'm still thinking and researching, considering getting a decent USED guitar, which I could always sell and get a better one later.

Can anyone answer my q about strings? Do you re-string a guitar when you buy it? Anything else I should know about setting up a guitar for first-time use?
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What's your budget? $200? Go used! You can definitely get something better than those two for $200, check Craig's List. I recently got an Epi Les Paul Studio with hard case for $200.
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Quote by keks_
Thank you I really appreciate your honest feedback. I'm still thinking and researching, considering getting a decent USED guitar, which I could always sell and get a better one later.

Can anyone answer my q about strings? Do you re-string a guitar when you buy it? Anything else I should know about setting up a guitar for first-time use?


Yes, restring it. Who knows how old the strings are. New strings are about $4 and it's not hard to do.
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If buying used deff. restring. If new it should be ok. Also as far as setup, I personally would buy one that is set up the way you like, If not, make them fix it for you if they want the sale
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Do you have any mom and pops music shops? I'm sure if you'd talk to them, explain your a first timer that they would be more then happy to show you first hand how to string and tune a guitar and no just use the strings on it for awhile unless you go used or get a display modle
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Quote by keks_
Unfortunately I don't see that as an option. Without going into a long explanation, imagine how you'd feel playing tennis with your left arm. There's a certain amount of dexterity you acquire in your dominant hand/arm, so playing lefty is the only way to go for me.

Looking at reviews the Les Paul Special II got a 4.1 out of 5 on musician's friend, based on 33 reviews. Doesn't that seem decent, at least for a beginner?

Should I buy different strings than the factory ones? If so can I string and tune it myself based on online tutorials? Thanks!


I know what you're trying to get at with your analogy. To counter, I suppose, either you have to pick from a limited range of tennis rackets and buy them for >$50 more with the same features as others, or you'd have to train to gain a similar amount of dexterity in the non dominant arm. If you're dead set to play left handed, by all means, do it, but just understand the lack of availability and inflation for things that you may want later on.

As a general rule, I don't go by anything that a review says online.
With beginner guitars, I believe that anything is decent, so long as you can learn properly on it. I'd still say to go for the Squire with an HSS pickup configuration based on influences and for sake of learning what you like. Then when you think it's time to upgrade, pay attention to reviews (But with a grain of salt), test them out before buying, and pick what you like best.

With strings, that's up to you in my opinion. If you get a wall model, definitely get new strings if they aren't shiny in luster. But instead of watching tutorials, have a sales rep or teacher show you how to restring it and tune as opposed to online lessons.
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As for the software look into a POD studio to plug into a computer, i had one and i loved it
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This is neither here nor there, but this video and guitar and player blow my mind:



I love 0:00 to 0:50 when he's just tooling around

One of my favorites. McIntosh is an absolute master too.
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As for the software look into a POD studio to plug into a computer, i had one and i loved it
Looks like the entry level ones cost $100 or so.

Shopping list so far:
- used guitar from a local store (I don't trust craigslist because I am not qualified to tell if a guitar is good, and won't be able to return it)
- new strings
- POD studio USB interface
- strap and stand

1. Anything else I need to buy?
2. Can I learn online or do I have to take lessons in person?

I have to admit that I am also going to buy Rocksmith just to play My Chemical Romance songs on it.
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If you're going to buy Rocksmith, the chord it comes with also connects to your computer.
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Quote by keks_


1. Anything else I need to buy?
2. Can I learn online or do I have to take lessons in person?


A tuner and Metronome(Optional for now) will help a ton. Korg makes a nuclear holocaust-proof tuner/metronome for around $30 IIRC.
Learning online is sufficient as long as you get everything. I started that way, and after a few months, got a teacher.
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Quote by keks_
Looks like the entry level ones cost $100 or so.

Shopping list so far:
- used guitar from a local store (I don't trust craigslist because I am not qualified to tell if a guitar is good, and won't be able to return it)


Not a bad idea, sometimes people to try to unload junk on CL!
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Just bought a new epi les paul 100. Decent or did I dun goofed?
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Cheap epiphones are not good. Same for Squier, in my opinion. Go used and cruise craigslist/ebay, you can find something better. I mean, c'mon, if you like SGs the SG400 sells for about $200 used. If you like Les Pauls, Agile has LPs in your price range.
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i agree with going used... out of the 6 guitars ive owned only one has been new and it was a crappy peavey starter pack guitar. it just kinda sucks because as a beginner you don't really know what to look for in a used guitar to make sure its alright, but if you buy it used from a shop most offer some sort of 30 day warranty.
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Yeah. Stay away from cheapy Epiphones. My friends old LP special II fell apart in a matter of months (Too many cheap plastic bits) Squiers on the other hand tend to be much better quality in that price range. Return the Epi, and play EVERYTHING on the wall in your price range.

You won't end up with a golden ticket, but if you're lucky you will hopefully get a work horse of a guitar.
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Quote by keks_
Beginner here, as you can tell form the guitar selection. I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I have a burning desire to start playing. If I get hooked I'll spend a few thousand on my next guitar but for now this will just be something to play around with.

Which would you buy and why:

Squier Standard Stratocaster Left-Handed Electric Guitar Antique Burst ($225)

or

Epiphone Les Paul Special II Left-Handed Electric Guitar Heritage Cherry Sunburst ($185)

or what else would you recommend?

Music I love, and will try to learn: My Chemical Romance, John Mayer, Boys Like Girls, Oasis, Metallica.

Also, what is the best software to connect the guitar to a computer and play around with effects? Is it possible to get close to the John Mayer sound using software?

Thanks for helping a lefty. I am not looking to buy an amp, I just want to plug into a computer and listen through headphones or record.
don't buy either one. Get a Jayturser for starting out because the hardware is better. Bolt-on or set neck
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Quote by keks_
Just bought a new epi les paul 100. Decent or did I dun goofed?

better than the special II, but barely, still not great. My advice is to return it and get a Yamaha Pacifica instead, it's better than anything in its price range (speaking from experience).
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Quote by keks_
Thank you I really appreciate your honest feedback. I'm still thinking and researching, considering getting a decent USED guitar, which I could always sell and get a better one later.


Do not let anyone convince you to play right handed if you are not comfortable playing right handed. Play left handed if that is more natural for you. I ran into the same mindset back in the 80's before internet stores, ebay, etc. made it much easier to find left handed guitars. Worrying about not having as large of selection of guitars in the future is silly. If three of the most defining bands in history like the Beatles, Black Sabbath and Nirvana can "deal with the difficulty" of a lefty guitarist, you can too. You'll be fine.
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Do not let anyone convince you to play right handed if you are not comfortable playing right handed. Play left handed if that is more natural for you. I ran into the same mindset back in the 80's before internet stores, ebay, etc. made it much easier to find left handed guitars. Worrying about not having as large of selection of guitars in the future is silly. If three of the most defining bands in history like the Beatles, Black Sabbath and Nirvana can "deal with the difficulty" of a lefty guitarist, you can too. You'll be fine.

Why severely restrict the guitars you can buy in the future? That doesn't make any sense. Is playing left-handed going to be more comfortable for him if he has never picked up a guitar before? Nope. No more comfortable than if he tries to play right-handed.

You might think it sounds silly to play right handed, but when 99% of guitars are right-handed, it's enough of a reason to play right-handed over left. It's not going to be any more comfortable to him to play one way or the other if he's never pickup up a guitar before, and even if he has, he'll get used to it.
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That's more complicated than you think. I have an acquaintance who is a lefty but tried to learn on a right-handed guitar. He tried hard, but the nature made "boundaries" to his playing. I mean, it went well at first, but in the long run he just couldn't make his hands play more technically complex things. I think it has something to do with the fact he is a lefty.

So if you are going to play simple rock music, playing a regular guitar is fine, but if you really want to achieve great results and play something more difficult in the future, buy a left-handed guitar.

And you mentioned that you would spend a thousand dollars on your next guitar if you enjoy playing. That means you have an extra option of a custom guitar.
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That's more complicated than you think. I have an acquaintance who is a lefty but tried to learn on a right-handed guitar. He tried hard, but the nature made "boundaries" to his playing. I mean, it went well at first, but in the long run he just couldn't make his hands play more technically complex things. I think it has something to do with the fact he is a lefty.

Perhaps he just needed more practice?
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Perhaps he just needed more practice?

You can achieve any level if you practice a lot. Just saying it would be much easier if he played a guitar that was intended for lefties.
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Do not let anyone convince you to play right handed if you are not comfortable playing right handed. Play left handed if that is more natural for you. I ran into the same mindset back in the 80's before internet stores, ebay, etc. made it much easier to find left handed guitars. Worrying about not having as large of selection of guitars in the future is silly. If three of the most defining bands in history like the Beatles, Black Sabbath and Nirvana can "deal with the difficulty" of a lefty guitarist, you can too. You'll be fine.

Yeah man even the people at the store tried to convince me to play righty which is absurd, I AM LEFT-HANDED. It applies to guitar and everything else, even if I've never done it before. I tried a right-handed guitar before and it felt so awkward. The left one felt natural. So right off the bat before I even learn I can tell you that the left-handed guitar felt right.

About the Les Paul 100: It's really a great beginner guitar. I do not regret buying it, and do not want to trade it in right now. It has a great sound, warm and gritty, I love it. I saw videos of other cheap guitars under $500 produce much better sound, but I'm still sticking to this because I am still an absolute beginner.

Instead of going for an immediate upgrade I want to wait one year, at which time I'll be reasonably good, then buy a new one.

Questions:
- What should my next guitar be? I'm eyeing the Fender Johm Mayer, costs like $2700 I think but sounds amazing.

What do you recommend?

Also, is there a site where I can learn the basics of guitar? I'm making good progress because of Rocksmith, I'm able to strum, fret, tremolo, do slides, sustains, chords, harmonics, mutes, hammerons and pulloffs. and play along to one song so far. I can't do them perfectly but it's not bad for 4 days of practice. My goal is to be able to play "Welcome to the Black Parade" within 2-3 weeks.
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Quote by keks_
Yeah man even the people at the store tried to convince me to play righty which is absurd, I AM LEFT-HANDED. It applies to guitar and everything else, even if I've never done it before. I tried a right-handed guitar before and it felt so awkward. The left one felt natural. So right off the bat before I even learn I can tell you that the left-handed guitar felt right.

About the Les Paul 100: It's really a great beginner guitar. I do not regret buying it, and do not want to trade it in right now. It has a great sound, warm and gritty, I love it. I saw videos of other cheap guitars under $500 produce much better sound, but I'm still sticking to this because I am still an absolute beginner.

Instead of going for an immediate upgrade I want to wait one year, at which time I'll be reasonably good, then buy a new one.

Questions:
- What should my next guitar be? I'm eyeing the Fender Johm Mayer, costs like $2700 I think but sounds amazing.

What do you recommend?

Also, is there a site where I can learn the basics of guitar? I'm making good progress because of Rocksmith, I'm able to strum, fret, tremolo, do slides, sustains, chords, harmonics, mutes, hammerons and pulloffs. and play along to one song so far. I can't do them perfectly but it's not bad for 4 days of practice. My goal is to be able to play "Welcome to the Black Parade" within 2-3 weeks.


I'm left handed and I play right handed. How can something that you've never done feel natural at all to you any how?

Anyhow as long as you are enjoying it and don't really care about the limited selection and the fact that you won't be able to pick up and play some one else's guitar or just pick up an extra axe to jam with like 100 percent of the time it's all good.
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