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#41
This is how you adjust the rod.

first measure the neck's relief.

to do that,
you fret the Low E at the first fret, at the same time,
you fret the Low E at the last fret,
where the neck and body meet.

with both places held, look at the middle frets, 7-9th.

does the string lay on the fretwire there?
if it does, then you do not have enough relief.

does a thin pick fit in the gap at the fretwire there?
do two picks fit?

measure and post back...


edit:
i also want you to post pics of the guitar's flaws if you can.

and if you dont mind, what site did you buy the guitar?
Jenneh

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#42
Quote by jj1565
This is how you adjust the rod.

first measure the neck's relief.

to do that,
you fret the Low E at the first fret, at the same time,
you fret the Low E at the last fret,
where the neck and body meet.

with both places held, look at the middle frets, 7-9th.

does the string lay on the fretwire there?
if it does, then you do not have enough relief.

does a thin pick fit in the gap at the fretwire there?
do two picks fit?

measure and post back...


edit:
i also want you to post pics of the guitar's flaws if you can.

and if you dont mind, what site did you buy the guitar?


Thanks forthe responce that's helping diagnose the problem

I'm at work right now but I get home at 4 and will do that test. Although I checked the relief last night between 1st and 12th on the low e and also 1st and 15th - and there was no relief at all. String was touching all frets all the way down, with VERY minimal gap if any.

I find this strange as when I eyed the neck it had a slight front bow, ie the way it should be, and the little relief is contradictory to this.

So, should I try raising the bride until the buzz goes away, and then loosen the rod for some relief?

Thanks for the help, it's appreciated

Edit: if I can copy and paste pics from my iPhone I'll post some later sure, also I bought it from Thomann
Last edited by JJlespaul at Dec 18, 2012,
#43
the only test that counts is using a straight edge or meter to detect relief.

by fretting the first and last fret ~19th, the string becomes that straight edge and shows you clearly if you have relief.

if the string is on the frets, then correct, you have no relief, and the guitar should play better, if you add some.

you use the correct wrench and turn the truss rod
1/4 turn Counter clockwise.
you do not force the turn and after the turn,
you let the guitar settle in tune.
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a 1/4 turn is a small amount.
if you are not clear what a counter-clockwise turn is,
then look down into the truss rod nut area and imagine a clockface.
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after you turn that small amount,
tune up the guitar, feel free to play it, but
don't adjust it any more until after you
measure again and post back here.

pictures of dodgy fret and paint work, would be interesting.

i'm concerned to see if the site you used is a reputable one.
Jenneh

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#44
^^ he ordered from Thomann.de, so basicaly the european MF

And listen to jen, she knows her stuff
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#45
^oh i saw dave mention Thomann, but i thought the TS said something about another site.

and thanks
Jenneh

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#46
gotta give credit where it's due
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#47
Apologies for the mild hijack - how does the OPs LP Studio compare to one of these?
http://www.dawsons.co.uk/gibson-les-paul-studio-2012-fireburst?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=pricecomparison&utm_content=feed&gclid=CLHFwrSqpLQCFTDMtAodbl8ANg
Been really fancying a Les Paul and was thinking the studio was on a par but without the frills (I must have been suckered by the marketing and saving nearly £1K).

I've got a US strat that feels very good, I'd want a LP that is at least on a par with a US standard strat

OP - distance selling regs cover you, as long as it is as new and you cover the postage.

And if you're really gonna quit playing over this you probably dont get that much enjoyment from it. If you do, then HTFU.
#48
Get that guitar back to Thomann asap, a guitar that costs £60 let alone 550 should never cut your fingers with it's sharp frets, that's far beyond the old "just needs a setup" argument.
#49
I had a LP studio for several yrs, it was a great guitar. but like said Gibson guitars are hand made so they do vary a bit from guitar to guitar.

I sugest you go play them and pic one that you like the feel of best.
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#50
After double checking there is actually a slight (and I mean very small) gap when checking the relief with the first- last fret method, apologies Jen.

I also tried raising my bridge to various heights to see if it cured the problem, and it only helped the slightest bit. Even with horrible playability it still rattled like an Alfa Romeo.

So I assume my only option now is to try adjusting the truss anyway and see how it goes
#52
Send it back, take the cost of postage in your stride. Hop on a bus to Dublin, tour the guitar shops, buy a guitar, have a beer in temple bar followed by a Kebab, get the bus home.

A bucket of win.

I wouldn't spend 600 notes and not be anything other than chuffed. It's either as bad as your opening post or it isn't.
#53
Quote by JJlespaul
Firstly, I'm not travelling 2 and a half hours on a train four times to leave my guitar to get fixed then coming back, then going again to get it and coming back.



Firstly, ya traveling 2 hours to get a guitar set up is nuts....But traveling 2 hours to know what your spending £1000+ is pretty sensible if you ask me. I suggested driving/train down to try find a guitar that could last you a life time and thus avoid all the hassle your having....

Arent Lowden guitars in Belfast? someone there could service it correctly or at least tell you is it fixable or a hunk of junk....
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#54
Ok so I tried exactly as you instructed Jen and the problem is now worse, I didn't think it could get worse. Now my high e string is also affected. The neck looks extremely weird now looking at it in a normal playing position. I feel like giving up
#55
Quote by JJlespaul
Ok so I tried exactly as you instructed Jen and the problem is now worse, I didn't think it could get worse. Now my high e string is also affected. The neck looks extremely weird now looking at it in a normal playing position. I feel like giving up


ok so you had a slight amount of relief, and turned a small amount counter-clockwise, and now the neck looks
"extremely weird'?

JJ, worst case you can turn the truss rod back the 1/4 turn.
this is not like permanently changing the guitar in some way. this is a normal adjustment.

when you measure now, what type of pick fits at the middle gap?
Jenneh

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#56
Quote by jj1565
ok so you had a slight amount of relief, and turned a small amount counter-clockwise, and now the neck looks
"extremely weird'?

JJ, worst case you can turn the truss rod back the 1/4 turn.
this is not like permanently changing the guitar in some way. this is a normal adjustment.

when you measure now, what type of pick fits at the middle gap?


I would estimate it at about .25mm at 12th fret, the smallest pick i have is .46 and it cant fit in without doubling the gap. To be honest I think the guitar has a warped neck or something and it's a lost cause

By "extremely weird" I mean it looks like its bent way too far forward, but when I eye down the neck it's just a slight front bow.
#57
Quote by JJlespaul
I would estimate it at about .25mm at 12th fret, the smallest pick i have is .46 and it cant fit in without doubling the gap. To be honest I think the guitar has a warped neck or something and it's a lost cause

By "extremely weird" I mean it looks like its bent way too far forward, but when I eye down the neck it's just a slight front bow.


I am not sure you are measuring at the correct place.

what i need you to do is fret the 1st fret,
and at the same time, ~19th fret, where the neck and body meet.

now measure around the 7-9th fret.

what pick if any fits in that gap?
Jenneh

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#58
Quote by jj1565
I am not sure you are measuring at the correct place.

what i need you to do is fret the 1st fret,
and at the same time, ~19th fret, where the neck and body meet.

now measure around the 7-9th fret.

what pick if any fits in that gap?


Ok I did as you said, and my .46mm pick almost fits the gap, it's slightly too big. So I'm guessing it's like a .35mm gap

Don't worry I'm following exactly as you instruct, using a capo to hold the first string down so I have two hands free, one to fret the 17th and one to measure with the pick

Also I contacted the returns department at thomann and they were very helpful, all I need to do is print off a label and drop it off at the post office for free money refund

Edit: I mean 19th, damn iPhones spell correct
Last edited by JJlespaul at Dec 18, 2012,
#59
ok so normally i would suggest that you add a little more relief, .43mm is a very very small amount.

but i'm guessing that you have already made up your mind and are choosing not to keep the guitar. ?

if that's the case, then let me go finish work here.
i'll continue to check back in, if you're still up in the air.
Jenneh

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#60
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
There's your problem. I know that trying guitars before buying them isn't possible in your case, but it's always better to do so whenever possible.


That's not his problem!

His problem is that he bought a guitar which was claimed to be "price=quality".
#62
Quote by AmirT
That's not his problem!

His problem is that he bought a guitar which was claimed to be "price=quality".

It quite clearly is his problem. If he tried the guitar before buying it, this problem would never have occurred.
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#63
There are good guitar shops in Belfast. I've been to them. Although it was a few years ago. I remember Matchetts... I think it was that.

I think you should send back the shitty Studio. Call Matchetts, arrange a time where you can come in, spend the day there and check out a guitar and once you've chosen one, get them to set it up there as you like it or whenever and get it shipped to you.

I remember going into a few shops when I went to Belfast and they seemed friendly enough. You may have been unlucky but that doesn't mean you will be again, especially if you make it clear that you want to spend money and arrange a particular service with them.
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#64
Quote by jj1565
ok so normally i would suggest that you add a little more relief, .43mm is a very very small amount.

but i'm guessing that you have already made up your mind and are choosing not to keep the guitar. ?

if that's the case, then let me go finish work here.
i'll continue to check back in, if you're still up in the air.


Thanks very much for your help Jen I truely appreciate it, you kept me from smashing this piece of garbage

I've decided to return it, and I bought a Marshall mf400a cab (which to be honest I need a lot more than I need a new guitar) I must have forgotten how much I love my Epi ^^

Well Gibson, that's the last time I buy one of your guitars without trying it out. I'll everyone else's advice and go to Dublin some time after Christmas see if I can pick up a sale. Til then, my Epi (which has all the specs of a Gibson..) will continue to fair me well
#65
Quote by Mephaphil
There are good guitar shops in Belfast. I've been to them. Although it was a few years ago. I remember Matchetts... I think it was that.

I think you should send back the shitty Studio. Call Matchetts, arrange a time where you can come in, spend the day there and check out a guitar and once you've chosen one, get them to set it up there as you like it or whenever and get it shipped to you.

I remember going into a few shops when I went to Belfast and they seemed friendly enough. You may have been unlucky but that doesn't mean you will be again, especially if you make it clear that you want to spend money and arrange a particular service with them.


Matchetts it's the shop which couldn't even set up my guitar. I would never do business with them again. I feel they are scam artists, and a number of my friend refuse to deal with them also
#66
The problem with Gibson (and it's also true with MIA Fenders) is that since a lot of the processes used to make those guitars are largely done by hand, so you will get a lot of variance between guitars of the same model. But that also becomes and advantage because if you go to a shop and try before you buy, you can find a Gibson that fits you absolutely perfectly.
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And well yes, I'll enjoy the carpal tunnel and tendonitis, because trying to get one is clearly smarter than any word you have spoken thus far.
#67
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
It quite clearly is his problem. If he tried the guitar before buying it, this problem would never have occurred.

My arms would have to be pretty long to try out he guitar in germany from northern Ireland.

Basically, buying it and getting a refund, like I've done, is technically still trying it out.

Edit: so basically I tried it out, didn't like it, and have moved on and learned from it
Last edited by JJlespaul at Dec 18, 2012,
#68
Ah well, if they have that kind of reputation and you had a bad experience you know what you're dealing with.

Still, buying online will reduce your chances of getting a high quality guitar. The only time I've bought online was my MiM Tele and it's the shit, I mean, I'll never sell that guitar, ever and as you can see below, I've got some (in my opinion) nice guitars.

You have a few options.

1) Set it up yourself. Although you say there's quite a few finish issues. So personally, I'd send it back. If it was a little thing I wouldn't worry but you're not happy with it so I say no to that option.

2) Bring it to a shop in NI, there will be good luthiers or techs, bring it to little shops, they will probably give you good service.

3) Send the shitty LP back and come to London for the day. **** it, I'm even willing to escort you to Tin Pan Alley in the city so you can check out the guitars, or go to a PMT or a Guitar Villiage and check out a load of guitars and prearrange it so they can set it up there and then.

I've got a friend who wants to go there at some time so I can kill two birds with one stone so if you wanna do that, I'm happy to do that, just send me a PM.

I don't see another choice though.
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#69
Quote by Mephaphil
Ah well, if they have that kind of reputation and you had a bad experience you know what you're dealing with.

Still, buying online will reduce your chances of getting a high quality guitar. The only time I've bought online was my MiM Tele and it's the shit, I mean, I'll never sell that guitar, ever and as you can see below, I've got some (in my opinion) nice guitars.

You have a few options.

1) Set it up yourself. Although you say there's quite a few finish issues. So personally, I'd send it back. If it was a little thing I wouldn't worry but you're not happy with it so I say no to that option.

2) Bring it to a shop in NI, there will be good luthiers or techs, bring it to little shops, they will probably give you good service.

3) Send the shitty LP back and come to London for the day. **** it, I'm even willing to escort you to Tin Pan Alley in the city so you can check out the guitars, or go to a PMT or a Guitar Villiage and check out a load of guitars and prearrange it so they can set it up there and then.

I've got a friend who wants to go there at some time so I can kill two birds with one stone so if you wanna do that, I'm happy to do that, just send me a PM.

I don't see another choice though.


It would be awesome to do that man but I'm pretty strapped on my budget and couldn't afford 2 plane tickets
#70
It would probably cost around £100 with flights and coaches for same day return and tube tickets. Save up for another month or so or whatever. It can be done!

If there really is no shop that you trust to buy from and if there is shoddy work(wo)manship on the guitar in general all I can suggest is that you should look across the water.

But the offer stands.
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#71
Quote by Mephaphil
It would probably cost around £100 with flights and coaches for same day return and tube tickets. Save up for another month or so or whatever. It can be done!

If there really is no shop that you trust to buy from and if there is shoddy work(wo)manship on the guitar in general all I can suggest is that you should look across the water.

But the offer stands.


Thanks man I'll keep it in mind. I might just save for another 3 months for an LP standard - or see if I can get a cheap second hand one or something but I still prefer a new one. I'll keep an eye out in prices
#72
Also they set it up in the states, humidity and temp have changed, you can never expect a perfect setup after 6 months and a new continent
#73
Quote by Tempoe
Also they set it up in the states, humidity and temp have changed, you can never expect a perfect setup after 6 months and a new continent


True. Although I tried doing countless things to cure the buzz but to no avail

Temp + humidity are not an excuse for strings not staying in tune, fretwork that actually cut me and a shoddy paint job though
#74
If I'm not mistaken climate does actually affect how the strings stay in tune.

Poor paint and frets is a different story though
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#75
Quote by Charvel1995
If I'm not mistaken climate does actually affect how the strings stay in tune.

Poor paint and frets is a different story though


It shouldn't only affect 2 strings even after a string change and being left to settle. That's an indication of a bad nut/tuners/saddles or something
#76
Just to point out. The standard is quite expensive and is an 'updated' LP. If you want a regular standard, either get a pre 08 one or a new Traditional, which is basically the old standard. They are around £1,250.

Google will tell you more . I hope you get it sorted out mate, it sucks not being satisfied with something that you've spent so much money on.
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#77
Quote by Mephaphil
Just to point out. The standard is quite expensive and is an 'updated' LP. If you want a regular standard, either get a pre 08 one or a new Traditional, which is basically the old standard. They are around £1,250.

Google will tell you more . I hope you get it sorted out mate, it sucks not being satisfied with something that you've spent so much money on.


Thanks man I appreciate it. I'll either get a brand new 2012 studio or get a second hand traditional, or wait until they're under 1000. Doubt I'll be able to wait long enough to save for a traditional lol, I'll probably just get a studio in dublin
#78
To be honest I don't know what to do. I can order a guitar from England, where I can get it set up but I can't try it out. I can get one from Dublin and try it out but the travel will take at least 4 hours total. Or I can get one ordered in locally, where I can try it out AND get it set up, but I can't send it back if I don't like it.

So confused..
#79
Lol. I think the best thing to do is to test one out.

BUT.

I think that you can minimise the risk. I think that if you have a conversation with a store, tell them that you would like X guitar, and would like it to have no design flaws and for it to be set up, I doubt you'd be disappointed.

I can recommend a store if you want. I know a couple that are good and would help you out, as they always do with me.
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Go ahead and spend your money, I don't care. It won't make you sound better.


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Sure upgrading your gear will make you sound better.


#80
Quote by Mephaphil
Lol. I think the best thing to do is to test one out.

BUT.

I think that you can minimise the risk. I think that if you have a conversation with a store, tell them that you would like X guitar, and would like it to have no design flaws and for it to be set up, I doubt you'd be disappointed.

I can recommend a store if you want. I know a couple that are good and would help you out, as they always do with me.


That's true, I just need a competent store which can actually set up a guitar *cough* matchetts can't *cough* If you know of a good store in NI I'd really appreciate it