Poll: Which would you recommend?
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Line6 Pod HD500
13 33%
Boss GT-100
5 13%
Rocktron Utopia G300
0 0%
Zoom G5
12 31%
Digitech RP1000
4 10%
Vox Tonelab EX
3 8%
Other
2 5%
Voters: 39.
FenderBluesAAA
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#1
I'm looking for a multi-effects pedal that can stand on its own. I wouldn't mind using it through an amp every now and then, but my main concern is for it to be able to do everything it needs to on its own and sound good. I want it to be able to do most genres: Metal, Rock, Blues, Jazz, etc.

In the end, it will be my decision after I give the pedals a try but I like to see what people like and don't like so I can make sure to look for those things when trying out these pedals.

Here are the options I have found. I have already narrowed it down a bit but would like to put everything just in case someone here convinces me to reconsider one I have eliminated...

Line6 Pod HD500
Zoom G5
Boss GT-100
Vox Tonelab EX
Roctron Utopia G300
Digitech RP1000
Other?
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#2
which (if any) have you tried?

i haven't played any of them so will give no advice other than i started with a korg toneworks AX1500g, (2004?) then got some form of pod that wasn't a floor unit, but it wasn't very rugged so i sold it, and i won two zoom pedals. the two zoom 2.1u 's were very disappointing and i didn't like it as much as i remember liking the pod. old gear though, so at least you got the history. lol.

have you considered spending more and getting an eleven rack? i don't know what they go for now though. they sound great overall i played one last year that a friend of a former band member had.
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FenderBluesAAA
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#3
I haven't tried any yet. I will, most likely tomorrow. I'm just trying to eliminate the ones which might be the most limiting.

I don't plan on spending that much money. If I were spending that much, I might go with an amp instead. And I would like a floor unit.
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#4
I am going to say definitely try the G5 out if they have it. I had the G3 when it first came out and it stood out to me because it was doing what the $500-700 floor units out there did better. Plus, I enjoyed having the LCD screens there with the graphic representations of knobs.

I will say that I have always found the tubes they put in these digital pedals to be somewhat gimmicky but to each their own I suppose.

I would suggest you go and spend a while at the shop tomorrow and demo each one. Make sure you emphasize your playing style and purchase the one that does those styles the best.
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#5
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I am going to say definitely try the G5 out if they have it. I had the G3 when it first came out and it stood out to me because it was doing what the $500-700 floor units out there did better. Plus, I enjoyed having the LCD screens there with the graphic representations of knobs.

I will say that I have always found the tubes they put in these digital pedals to be somewhat gimmicky but to each their own I suppose.

I would suggest you go and spend a while at the shop tomorrow and demo each one. Make sure you emphasize your playing style and purchase the one that does those styles the best.


+1 don't let that be a deciding factor.
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#6
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I haven't tried any yet. I will, most likely tomorrow. I'm just trying to eliminate the ones which might be the most limiting.

I don't plan on spending that much money. If I were spending that much, I might go with an amp instead. And I would like a floor unit.


one nice feature would be to be able to use it as an interface for your computer. i know line 6 does it, but i am unsure about others.

just a thought.
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#7
I'd take the Pod.

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#8
The Pod is great, but the G5 offers a lot for half the price. Very good mid gain tones. Alos, it can be used as an interface like the Pod and comes with Cubase for recording
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#9
I have t.c. electronics Nova System and can say that it works very well. I've also heard a lot of praise about it over the internet. You should check that out!
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#10
I've had the Zoom G9.2tt for a couple of years, and I'm pretty disappointed that it sucks a lot of the highs out of the tone of my amp.
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#11
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I have t.c. electronics Nova System and can say that it works very well. I've also heard a lot of praise about it over the internet. You should check that out!

I own the nova sys and it an amazing unit!!!
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#12
The POD HD500 is gonna be the best out of all of those MFX units, by quite a bit. the GT-100 is the next best
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#13
I wouldn't buy a line 6 product personally, although many people love them. I had a pod xtl, thought it sounded severely digital, they try to charge you for additional amp model packs and effects $50 a piece even though I just spent $400 on the pedal..... Left a sour taste in my mouth.
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#14
The POD HD500 gets my vote, i own one and its a great piece of gear. I got it mainly for silent playing and recording since i have an amp, but i also got myself a powered wedge for it just so i can play around with it more at rehearsals.
FenderBluesAAA
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#15
Thank you for all the replies.
The G5 sounds good to me but I have some questions about it. Does it do high gain tones well?
Another concern I have is about zoom updates. Line6 is constantly updating their pods and providing more features to the users at no cost. Does zoom do anything similar? Do they also add features through their updates? I'm worried that if I get the G5, it's going to stay the same forever while the pods out there are being improved through their updates.
I do really like the looper and drum machine option for practice on the G5.

The Nova system doesn't seem to have amp modeling?

I would like it to be used as an interface and I believe all those options offer that.
FenderBluesAAA
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#16
I also might be trying these pedals today but was thinking, would it be a fair comparison considering that the pod HD500 in store will most likely not be updated?
fly135
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#17
Based on your limited statement of requirements I voted Zoom G5. And yes it does metal tones well, where I would say that Jazz tones are its weakest area. Zoom does do updates. They updated the G3 from doing its initial 3 stomp capability to 6. That is a significant update. I believe the G5 has an update right not. I haven't done mine so I'm not sure whats in it.

I believe that an HD500 without updates is still plenty functional to make a comparison. I also believe that you can just look at a feature comparison to get a good idea. It can be tricky testing in a store because there are so many things that could make one sound better than the other that can be adjusted with some experience with the unit. Don't overlook your needs for the features. Things like an external loop or dual amps on the HD that's not on the G5. Or a looper synced to an internal rhythm generator on the G5 that's not on the HD.

WRT tubes are a gimmick comment. I won't disagree but gimmick does not mean useless. IMO gimmick means the implication that a tube does something that couldn't be done with other circuitry. In the case of the G5, wanting to add the tube gimmick earned an additional feature.. That being a clean boost at the end of the chain with tone and level controls, that doesn't subtract from the total effect count.

Also others have reported that changing the tube does provide a change to the tone. So the tube means you can customize that boost yourself. This diminishes the gimmickness.
FenderBluesAAA
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#18
Thank you for the reply fly135.
Do updates for zoom include new effects, amps, further control parameters, etc. like line6 pods?
How about Boss? Does anyone have any experience with Boss and might be able to say anything about their updates for the GT series?
fly135
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#19
The update for the G3 only included bug fixes and an increase in the number of simultaneous FX.
FenderBluesAAA
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#20
I tried the HD500, GT100, and G5 today.
The G5 had great cleans and great dynamics. I liked the dynamics on the crunch tones.
The GT100 was the best heavy tones. I was surprised. It did the heavy tones much better than the G5.
The HD500... One of the worst tones I have heard and that is why I have some questions. Something must have been wrong because I don't see how it could be so popular if it sounds like this. It is so digital. More than their pod farm and spider amps. Does this thing need to be updated? Does this need a lot of tweaking? I don't know. I'm not going to eliminate the HD500 yet without understanding why it sounded the way it did. I'm sure it is much better sounding that what I heard.

It would be much appreciated if anyone with an HD500 can offer some input on the sound of this unit before any updates compared to after.
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#22
Quote by FenderBluesAAA
The HD500... One of the worst tones I have heard and that is why I have some questions. Something must have been wrong because I don't see how it could be so popular if it sounds like this. It is so digital.
A quick demo between units can be deceptive unless you are familiar with multifx options like cab models and global output settings among other things. A quirk with the G5 is that gain settings are overdone and often need to be dialed back. It could be just random that the settings on a unit happen to be best for whatever amplification used at the time.

I too found it easier to dial in good tones with my G5 vs my HD500. Unfortunately due to an illness in my family I haven't hardly touched my gear much in a while and haven't put enough time in my HD500 to feel qualified to give a good eval of how it compares to the G5.
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#23
Wait what exactly do you plan on using the pedal for home? Gigging? Recording? What amp are you using?
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#24
The Pod HD is pretty much the best MFX out there right now for amp modeling. So if you are actually going to use the amp models and not just the FX, definitely the Pod.
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#25
I do not see the need to buy the newest effect units any more this is 2012 15 or so year ago I had a RP 10 it replaced a dozen single pedals i had and over the years I've had 3-4 different units. ( broken/stole etc )

yeah things have gotten better more advanced easier to operate etc ,. but we are talking about tone here ,.. give all your options a listen is most important AND forget the marketing,.

Specially if money is tight or you want your own "special tone" check out the old models,

I have a Line6 x3 I'm not a fan of the line 6 HD's or check your music store or second hand shop for a bargain. if it less then 10 year old it's going to have ALL the effects and all the options

amp modeling is a different thing,. But still remember what your playing though is very important to the tone those final 2 stages YOUR amp and YOUR speakers plays a huge part in the tone.
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FenderBluesAAA
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#26
I plan on using it for home and recording. I would like it to be good enough to eventually use for gigging too. I'm looking for something that won't require me to use an amp.

Offworld92: I have heard that many times but it sounded awful when I tried it. I'm thinking I did something wrong. I was using headphones at the time. I have heard that the updates change the sound but I'm not sure if it would be that big of a difference. I'm going to go back and try it out again and see if I just had some sort of setting messed up.

About the pod HD. Do you guys find yourself tweaking for long periods of time? If so, that is not my thing. I don't mind spending some time. But I want to be playing more and tweaking less.

I'm not a fan of Line6's past modeling. I've heard amazing tones but it takes me hours to tweak a simple tone. And I would like something with updated technology. I hear a difference between the new models coming out now and the previous ones.
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#27
If you were to get a G5 over an HD500 I don't think you would have any regrets. Not only will you save money but you already thought it sounded good. I have both and wrt amp models an FX I could easily live with the G5. It's the difference in features that are important to check as well.

Also I agree with T4D wrt older models. I bought a XT Live cheap in a package deal and sold it. But it sounded great while I used it. I just had my other equipment and didn't need it.
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#28
Quote by FenderBluesAAA
I plan on using it for home and recording. I would like it to be good enough to eventually use for gigging too. I'm looking for something that won't require me to use an amp.


if you first plan on doing recording ,.don't buy a effect unit just make sure you have a good usb audio interface ( you may already have one ? ) and check out the VST amp sim plugins
here first for the complete link list then here for a current thread of the subject

the advantages of VST is you record a clean signal ( no clipping no distortion ) then you add your effects, amp speaker tone & mic placement this gives you the option of completely changing your tone afterwards or refine your tone.

when you go live get the gear that fits that gig, I think a all round prefect solution is not out there untill there a rack mount PC and software to control all the VST's in a live situation. because VST do sound amazing now adays..

even if you get a HD or eleven you may find a better tone when recording in Ampilitube or something that was free or $20.. So why jump up to Eleven straight away before you even start recording ?
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#29
I had a G3X which has the same modelling as the G5 just less effects, and i ended up exchanging it for a pod hd300 which has the same modelling as the hd500 but less features.

Now this could be my set of headphones but I ran both as stand alone units through my audio technica ath-m45's. I found the the higher gain modelling on the G3X was good until i really started to want to dial it in; that's when I realized that you can take away the sizzle from the gain.

I personally think the modelling on the line6 is much better, but if I must say the zoom still had great effects, and their clean-mid gain models were awesome.

That being said it could be possible that its just my headphones, but they have a pretty flat eq...so idk.
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FenderBluesAAA
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#30
Thank you for all the replies.

I preferred the high-gain of the GT100 much more than the G5. A good metal tone (at least better than one I already have) is important for me. The problem with the GT is that it always sounds dark and somewhat nasal. It's not a bad thing sometimes but it's limiting. Eventually every tone starts to sound somewhat the same, only with a different level of gain and different effects.

I have plenty of free amp simulators but am looking for something to use, not only for recording. I like the idea of my sound being very portable like it is in these units. And I would like something to also be able to use with my amp if I ever decided to since I have no effects at all. I have thought of most alternatives to a multi-effects pedal but the only one I might accept is a new amp. But I can't seem to find any metal amps under 500 that are worth the money. And due to my situation, I can't have something loud. A 15-Watt practice amp at volume-2 is already loud here. I would rather wait some years before upgrading my amp.

I thought the same. The clean and mid-gain where really surprising. But there were better heavier tones out there. I'm sure the POD HD modeling is great. I was just unable to use it but I might end up going with that. And after listening to YouTube videos comparing firmware updates, I know that updating the unit will cause a great benefit to the tone.
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FenderBluesAAA
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#31
I have a question for POD HD500 users. What do you think of the DSP limit? Does it seem to get in the way a lot?

Does anyone know how the DSP compares to that in the GT100?