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Thomas_Erak_Fan
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The 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 riff you hear in almost every "heavy metal" song? When did this riff become so popular where did it originate from?
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#2
Somebody must not listen to very much heavy metal.
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#4
It seems your ears are incapable of hearing different rhythms, please fix them.
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It seems your ears are incapable of hearing different rhythms, please fix them.

This
thePTOD
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It's easy and it can be a fail-safe riff to use in -core genres, in the sense that you mean.

Then again, it can also be done tastefully and not to always be the focal point of the song. Many Protest The Hero songs have an open riff, as I'm sure you know.
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Either you're a troll or you have a limited knowledge of heavy metal.
That song you posted is also not considered metal by most metalheads.
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#12
Is this a recent trend? I've never heard it before
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#13
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Yes.

Why are you using major chords bro? major chords have been used for 400 years?

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Either you're a troll or you have a limited knowledge of heavy metal.
That song you posted is also not considered metal by most metalheads.


That's because most metalheads are up their own arses.
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Quote by Steyr9001
Somebody must not listen to very much heavy metal.



Ummm, yeah. Go listen to something from the 80s that isn't thrash metal. You'd be surprised. Granted, speed/power metal has clichés of its own, but...I hardly listen to anything with chugging in it and 80% of what I listen to is metal!

(I'm closed-minded, I know...)
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Thomas_Erak_Fan
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Either you're a troll or you have a limited knowledge of heavy metal.
That song you posted is also not considered metal by most metalheads.
Hence why I put quotation marks around heavy metal. The fans of that band think they're metal when they really aren't.
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Quote by Thomas_Erak_Fan
Hence why I put quotation marks around heavy metal. The fans of that band think they're metal when they really aren't.

How are they not metal? It's not like punk where there are important philosophies and ways of life associated with it.
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Because metal calls for heaviness and that's the lowest note?
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#18
Why do people use the same I-IV-V?
As a matter of fact, why do people use the same 12 notes? They have all been used before.
As you can see, the answer to your question is; because people like it.
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#19
It's called a pedal tone, and they have been used for thousands of years.
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why use notes?
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Thomas_Erak_Fan
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#22
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Because metal calls for heaviness and that's the lowest note?

Does it call for using the same note the entire song??

So let me get this straight, people on this site approve of modern bands using this riff in all of their songs with no creative insight?
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Quote by Thomas_Erak_Fan
Does it call for using the same note the entire song??

So let me get this straight, people on this site approve of modern bands using this riff in all of their songs with no creative insight?


Do you possess ears?
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Quote by Thomas_Erak_Fan
Does it call for using the same note the entire song??

So let me get this straight, people on this site approve of modern bands using this riff in all of their songs with no creative insight?

As has been stated before... RHYTHM. Who cares about the note, its all about the rhythm. I can swear Meshuggah has a one note song but its ok. I'm still alive so listening to it didn't kill me. Listen... guess thats what Griff be saying to you.
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As has been stated before... RHYTHM. Who cares about the note, its all about the rhythm. I can swear Meshuggah has a one note song but its ok. I'm still alive so listening to it didn't kill me. Listen... guess thats what Griff be saying to you.

Yes, I have ears. Are you saying all that matters is rhythm?
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Yes, I have ears. Are you saying all that matters is rhythm?


No, we're saying there's more to music than note choice.
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#27
I'm kind of vague on who exactly started what and when, but the addition of chuggy rhythm-focused riffs tends to be associated pretty heavily with hardcore bands from New York starting in around the late 80's, see for example the riff that comes in at 1:20 of this:



In terms of metal I guess the most obvious early band to associate with this kind of thing would be Slayer, specifically 2:13:



Also I think the New York death metal scene is famous for 'slam' riffs like the one at about 2:50:



As to how this evolved into every post-2000 semi-popular 'metal' band and their mothers having open note breakdown riffs, they're easy to play and have proven to be effective in inciting a certain crowd of people to start moshing. Might as well ask why every dubstep track nowadays has a 'drop'.
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Uh kill the king has more than one note.

Could've fooled me, lol.
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#31
Upon stumbling across this thread and reading the OP I thought to myself, "Hmmmm, I've never really thought about it. This could make for an interesting discussion."

Imagine the dissappointment when I found out that it was just a thinly veiled bait & switch to trash genres that end in "core" for not being "metal-ly" enough for the "metal" club. Sub-genre squabbles... ew...

OT:
In addition to what's been said about it being easy to do and having come to be a defining aspect of post 2000 bands, I'd say it comes down to just trying to appeal to people. There's a reason dance, pop, rap etc. appeal to wider audiences, they have rhythm, more explicitly a rhythm you can dance to. Metalheads in a similar manner wanna headbang and it's easier to headbang to something that's more ryhthmic than melodic. I mean that's the reason why drummers concentrate primarily on the kick, snare, and hats when laying down a beat. There's no reason to go all over the kit because then the beat loses it's consistency.

As an experiment take the same rhythm of one of those breakdowns and play it using different notes everytime and see if it has the same effect.

With all that said, it still falls into the same age-old problem of "too much of a good thing is a bad thing." Any technique that get's overused on an album or string of albums gets to be stale and old quickly. Breakdowns are doing just that like harmonized leads, over the moon high vocals, solos with nothing but sweep arpeggios in them; before them.
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#33
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Could've fooled me, lol.

You should go get your hearing checked
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You should go get your hearing checked

Works perfectly fine, tyvm. Mabye I should go back and listen to that boing Megadeth song again so that I can understand it's brilliance through it's simplicity.......................................................nope, still boring.
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Works perfectly fine, tyvm. Mabye I should go back and listen to that boing Megadeth song again so that I can understand it's brilliance through it's simplicity.......................................................nope, still boring.

Boring is subjective, saying the song is one note isn't. Obviously if you think the song is just one note your hearing isn't "perfectly fine tyvm"
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#37
Actually the Megadeth song would have been very interesting if it had only had one note. But really, there's only one note in the verse. But listen to the chorus, it has many different chords.
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#39
I didn't know you'd be so literal

There's almost no such thing as a 1 note song. Not even the shitty AA song the TS posted