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Hey all, I'm in the market for a cab, and I've found this: http://www.gak.co.uk/en/genz-benz-ts-412sl-angled-slant-front/76802

Has anyone heard of/tried this model?
If it's not any good, is there anything else you'd recommend? Honestly, I'm considering this one simply for the price, but I'd prefer to use a 1x12 or maybe a 2x12.
This would be for pretty much any and all genres of music, from metal to jazz and beyond. My budget is around £150 ish, and my nearest city is Southampton.
Thanks !
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Private Jacks should be decent speakers, for £150 it looks a bargain. Can't tell you anything about its construction, but Genz Benz don't make anything nasty.
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Thanks for the reply. Heh, yeah, GAK do some great deals from time to time. I guess I can always swap out the speakers at a later time. How would this cab react with an Orange TH30? Or any cab for that matter?
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it doesn't actually say if it's plywood (which is what you want). it'd be worth sending an email to genz benz to ask what it is (they'll probably take a few days to reply, but it'll be worth it to know exactly what you're getting).

if it is ply, go for it. 4 private jacks on their own cost about double that at UK retail prices. I haven't tried the private jack, but i've got the gb128 which is eminence's other greenback-style speaker, and it's very nice. I don't see why the PJ wouldn't be nice, too.

it's more of a classic rock style speaker, though. But for the money it's hard to go wrong.

if you play more metal the harley benton g212 vintage is around £150 on thomann and has vintage 30s.

or if you're ok with a 4x12 the genz benz g-flex is much more metal-orientated, for £270 IIRC. which is still a pretty good deal for a 4x12 (and it is ply, as far as i'm aware).

it's probably worth pointing out that several people (including me) had problems with some of the genz benz amps GAK was selling off cheaply. They were great to deal with and sorted everything out perfectly, plus there's far less to go wrong with a cab than with an amp, but it's worth pointing out so you have all the info and can make your own mind up. If something does go wrong GAK (if my and others' experience (there was a thread on musicradar about them) is anything to go by) will probably treat you right, so there's little risk- but it is a faff parcelling things up etc. if something does go wrong.
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I know very little about Eminence speakers to be honest, though I think Private Jacks are pretty popular around here, and yeah, for £150 you can't go too far wrong. Especially since 4 PJs cost a chunk more than £150 :P Looks like they're British voiced, can't tell you what they'd be like, but I can't see it being a bad mix.

Again, you'd need someone else to chime in for more information, but I would get on that based purely on the price and the speakers :')

EDIT: ^ All of this haha
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^ haha

yeah as i said i haven't tried the PJs, but i've tried what's (presumably) the closest speaker in their lineup to a PJ and I liked it (plus I have greenbacks too and the gb128 compares very favourably to it). Of course- there's no accounting for taste. Just because I like eminence doesn't mean you will, lol. I've certainly seen people on other forums who don't like eminences (and they weren't just brand snobs, they knew what they were talking about). of course, plenty of people also agree with me. it only matters if you like them, of course

but assuming that cab is ply (as i said, you'd want to find that out) that's gonna be hard to beat in terms of out and out value. Especially if you need a 4x12 and like greenback-style speakers. a decent ply 4x12 with decent greenback-style speakers is normally closer to £500.

EDIT: it's also worth pointing out that, while it's a killer deal new, used prices on cabs and speakers can be pretty poor, so don't be buying it expecting to make a profit if you don't like it.

EDIT #2: ah the g-flex seems to be down to £250. it's also worth pointing out that they seem to be struggling to sell the 4x12s (the 1x12 and 2x12 cabs flew out of stock like the amps did). So the prices may fall lower, they've already had to drop them once already. or they may not, of course.
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Thanks guys, that's really helpful. It's kinda worrying that the speakers sell for more than the cab as a whole. From what you're saying Dave the Harley Benton might be better suited because of the size (I'd rather have a 2x12 than a 4x12) and the speakers, but is it any good in terms of build quality and sound quality? Thanks again
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it really depends on if it's ply or not. if it's plywood, and judging by the quality of the other genz benz stuff i've seen (slightly iffy QC on their amps notwithstanding, their cabs have a good rep), i imagine it'd sound pretty good.

the reason it's so cheap is that genz benz seems to be stopping making guitar stuff and seems to be going back to concentrate on bass kit.
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I didn't know that they've stopped making guitar stuff, that's interesting. This will come across as really naive, but how big is the impact of the wood the cab is made of?
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it's very hard to say because rarely will you ever try exactly the same cab in every respect apart from the materials it's made from. Supposedly you do want it to be plywood (or solid wood), though. from what limited MDF cabs i've tried (my vht special 6 combo, basically) i think plywood does sound better, but that vht cabinet is really small and a ply cab in the same dimensions probably wouldn't sound amazing either.

have you emailed them yet? I'd email them but i've already been annoying them a couple of times recently with emails, lol. as i said, it could take them several days to answer (i think they've been bought out by fender so the email has to make its way to fender before being answered). at least if you email you'd know one way or the other.
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I would buy the cab that is a good deal on speakers alone and you get a cab also.
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Alrighty, I've sent them an email, let's see how long it will take them to reply hahaha. Again, Robbgnarly, that's actually the reason I'm a little wary, as the speakers themselves sold separately are more expensive than this cab lol.
And that's interesting to see Dave, I'll keep the wood factor in mind then.
Thanks again guys
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^ i wouldn't worry too much about the price- manufacturers are buying speakers way more cheaply than we can. plus as i said they have all the genz benz stuff on deal at the moment for the reasons i already stated.

i'd worry more about whether it's ply or not.

let us know if they do answer
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let us know if they do answer


That's a big if
Thanks again guys
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haha, no problem.

they may well answer (they answered some fairly technical questions i sent them). Just it might take a while (especially as they likely have a backlog of emails after the christmas/new year break).
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Ah, never mind, they've sold all of them and Genz Benz haven't replied. Thanks anyway guys
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ah crap

that's always the problem when things are a good deal, you can miss out on them. sometimes if the price is too good it just means someone else gets in there first. I've missed a couple of killer deals for that exact reason.
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Hah, yeah, it's a real shame, but I'm thinking I might go for the Harley Benton, as it's got good speakers, it's made of plywood, it's a 2x12 which will make life a hell of a lot easier, and it's pretty damn cheap.

Only question is, how's the build quality?
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seems not too bad to me. I've seen people say the tolex is a bit fragile, though (I'm not exactly taxing mine with home use).
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seems not too bad to me. I've seen people say the tolex is a bit fragile, though (I'm not exactly taxing mine with home use).


Fair enough, do you reckon it'll hold up to gigging though?
And which would be better, the HB or the Laney Ironheart 2x12?
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Fair enough, do you reckon it'll hold up to gigging though?
And which would be better, the HB or the Laney Ironheart 2x12?
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If you get the HB 2x12 vintage it will have better speakers (celestion V30) the regular HB 2x12 has really cheap speakers. The Ironheart has cheap OEM speakers
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(a) Fair enough, do you reckon it'll hold up to gigging though?
(b) And which would be better, the HB or the Laney Ironheart 2x12?
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(a) no clue, I don't gig

(b) i haven't tried the laney... as robbgnarly says, on paper, the harley benton has the better spec, but
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If you get the HB 2x12 vintage it will have better speakers (celestion V30) the regular HB 2x12 has really cheap speakers. The Ironheart has cheap OEM speakers


Sorry, yeah, I shoulda said, I was considering the G212 Vintage, not the regular one.

So the Ironheart's speakers aren't that great? Interesting.

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(a) no clue, I don't gig

(b) i haven't tried the laney... as robbgnarly says, on paper, the harley benton has the better spec, but


Alright, from what I can see here, the HB has the better specs, and the build quality is much the same, so I think I'll go for the HB.

Unfortunately I have to save up for a month or so

Thanks guys, you've helped me make the right decision
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My old band's guitarist used a HB212 Vintage and the 112 version, both sounded decent and they seemed pretty well built, especially for the money, there were a couple of dings in the tolex but nothing scary, just wear and tear.
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^^ no problem, good luck
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