#1
Hi all,

Sorry for the newbie question, i hope you can help.

I have a fender strat, and maverick F1 that i play through a line 6 spider IV. The question is regarding the fender.

Id like to boost the "gain" if possible so i can achieve a raw rocky tone, basically im looking for the sort of tone from dead or alive solo, screamy pinch harmonics and so on. Its only a practice and but ill be honest im not overly impressed. Is there any way i can add a pedal to boost the gain / overdrive through the fender? If so what would you recommend? and also what would you recommend to switch between clean and over driven channels.

Thanks all.

Kev
#2
Ts, I think you're a little confused. We people talk about boosting things (particularly with pedals) they're talking about boosting the amp with the increased signal, not the guitar.

In your case, this would not work, as that Spider amp of yours is not "boostable". Solid state amps in generally, but especially cheapo modelling amps, are simply not designed to interact with pedals in a natural way. All the tones you will ever get are in the amp already.

With a better amp that responds to the particulars of different guitars, pickups are where your guitars output is boosted/tweaked/whatever.

As for switching between channels, does your amp even have more than one channel? I think you need to read up more on what's possible with your amp.

Make sense?
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#3
Im confused...are you sayin' you wanna get a metal tone out of a strat and a spider amp?
#4
I understand the difference between the pick ups and amp. hence why i'm looking at boosting the "amp" not guitar. Im looking to boost the "gain" not achieve a metal tone, id use the maverick for that. Im looking for a decent set up that wont cost me the earth, i'm a bedroom guitarist only thats become hugely frustrated by being limited to "metal" and "insane" options on the amp. Id be prepared to sell the amp and start again if thats what needed but im not after anything thats going to cost the earth. could i not simply plug in a boss style peddle that boosts gain output ? and yes im confused...

heres the amp if youd like a closer look

Thanks again

heres the amp if you wanted a closer look, http://www.thomann.de/gb/line6_spider_iv_15.htm?gclid=CIXos57iwLQCFXHLtAod3jQAXQ
#5
you really need valves (in the amp, i mean) for what you're talking about to work properly.

how much money can you realistically save?
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#6
You could spend top dollar on a nice crunchy overdrive or distortion pedal, but running that through your Spider wouldn't sound great.

Then all you've done is waste money you could have put towards an amp that'll do the sounds you want out of the box.
#7
I dont really have a limit, but obviously something like a mesa cabinet would be out the question.
#9
Like said before. The Line6 Spider serie are the only amps I would never be found dead with besides the amp from starter packs. I've never got an even acceptable clean tone of of those things. I would really, really, really advice you to buy another amp.

You don't necessarily need valves, with good playing and tweaking the EQ and maybe a boost/OD pedal you can get good results out of something like a Fender Frontman. But be advised most of the time it's not that you NEED more gain but you WANT more gain.
#10
To answer your other question - to switch channels on the amp, you'd need one of their FBV shortboard pedals or whatever. Line 6 makes their own channel selectors for their Spider amps that are sold separately.
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#14
Hey man, sounds to me like you need a new amp and that's what you're looking for. The spider is geared more towards metal players.

I'd look at another practice amp like a Fender Mustang or Vox Valvetronix if you're going for just home practice, although a small tube amp like the aforementioned Laney Cub, Fender Blues Jr, Marshall DSL401 combo, or Peavey Vypyr tube might be worth a look as well.
#15
Quote by ihartfood
Hey man, sounds to me like you need a new amp and that's what you're looking for. The spider is geared more towards metal players.

I'd look at another practice amp like a Fender Mustang or Vox Valvetronix if you're going for just home practice, although a small tube amp like the aforementioned Laney Cub, Fender Blues Jr, Marshall DSL401 combo, or Peavey Vypyr tube might be worth a look as well.


+311

The issue you're having is simply the amp itself. That is literally the worst amp I've ever played, heard, etc. Every other amp I've played or heard has at least been decent at one tone, maybe two. The spider isn't good at anything other than silence. When it's turned off is when it sounds it's best.

I would advise you to get either a nicer modelling amp or a smaller tube combo. If you could give us your location, what genres and bands you're playing style is most similar to, your budget, and whether or not you are willing to buy used, we can give you much better andmroe personalized answers.
#16
Firstly guys thanks for all your help.

So we've worked out I bought the worse amp ever... with that said it will be on ebay within the week! Now i need a new amp.

My location is near stratford upon avon UK, I play anything from Alter bridge stuff, to Eric clapton, paul kossoff, my music taste is varied. Bad company, Free, Alterbridge, incubus, fleetwood mac, white snake, led zep, cavo, black stone cherry, acdc, stone sour.... and so on. I would buy used, and id set a budget of no more the £300-£400 closer to £300 the better.

Cheers all
#17
Marshall DSL401 or Peavey Vypyr Tube
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#20
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Do you plan on gigging at all or do you just play in your room?


Im a bedroom guitarist mate, maybe the odd bbq and jam with mates in the pub but thats it I dont plan to gig i get too nervous and forget everything
#21
Marshall DSL401 or any other hot british amp.
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#23
how loud can you play at home?
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#26
ah ok sweet, tube it is then

can you stretch like £40? the traynor ycv50b is £440 on thomann and would be near enough perfect for what you want (without forking out tons more money, anyway). (budget for getting slightly rooked by your CC, though.)

an od wouldn't hurt, either, to use as a boost for the heavier stuff. the harley benton vintage od on thomann is nice, it's like 29 euro and is a rebranded joyo (which is a tubescreamer clone).
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#27
+1 for vox vt if you need a good bedroom amp, cheap. The preamp tube in it may be a gimmick but for an amp that costs less than $200 new, it has amazingly natural low to mid gain tone at apartment/bedroom friendly volume. And usable fx, and a headphone jack.
#28
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+1 for vox vt if you need a good bedroom amp, cheap. The preamp tube in it may be a gimmick but for an amp that costs less than $200 new, it has amazingly natural low to mid gain tone at apartment/bedroom friendly volume. And usable fx, and a headphone jack.


But why bother with a hybrid when he can get a tube amp which will sound much better? He can play as loud as he wants.
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#29
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The dsl is such a... Not good amp though.


Good contribution!

Now go away.

TS, The Marshall JCM2000 DSL401 is pretty much exactly what you're looking for. I'll second Dave's suggestion of the Traynor as well. I hear good things about them quite consistently. I also second his suggestion that you grab a cheap overdrive pedal for boosting purposes.
#31
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Good contribution!

Now go away.

TS, The Marshall JCM2000 DSL401 is pretty much exactly what you're looking for. I'll second Dave's suggestion of the Traynor as well. I hear good things about them quite consistently. I also second his suggestion that you grab a cheap overdrive pedal for boosting purposes.


Dude try the traynor before you consider the JCM. Two of my friends have one and I used to. It's the worst mid range amp I've ever played.
The gain is fizzy and harsh, the cleans are unusable. It's just not a good amp. And I love the 800s and 900s but Marshall changed the 2000.

One option, even though you CAN play as loud as you like, is to get something on the lower wattage end. I CAN play as loud as I want but my ears honestly get tired after a short period of time with my deluxe on 10. Marshall's class 5 is a little on the low gain side for you, but cranked with a boost would get you your more classic rock through higher gain examples. I love the class 5, especially with an external speaker. It's something you should ideally compare on your own though sound samples are okay too. I really, strongly advise against the DSL. I moved away from it, one of my friends never plays his and the other is trying to sell his.
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#32
^You like the JCM900's, but think that the DSL is too fizzy?





You can keep your Hybrid 900's and I'll stick with the DSLs

You say it was too fizzy. What tubes were in it? What speakers did you use it with? How loud did you crank it?

I mean, if it's good enough for Gary Moore, I would say any of us mere mortals should be just fine with it.
#33
To be honest unless I was offered a JTM-45 I wouldn't trade my p2p deluxe for a Marshall. Never had anything bad to say about the 800s I've played or the 900 my old teacher used live. So maybe every DSL I've played is a lemon but I hate em.

Mine had JJs and Sovteks, both of which were eh. I used the original 2x12 that were in it whatever those were along with a mesa cab which I borrowed for a little. I usually used it with the master on 10 and got my gain from cranking the pre so anywhere between 5-9. I kept it for so long because it was alright flat out with my PRS, but pushing 110db is never enjoyable.

I was sad when he switched to the DSL. He sounds like himself obviously and I'm probably just biased but I like his tone on older recordings better. Could I tell it in a blind test? I'd give myself a 50/50 shot.

Honestly TS you have to go play for yourself. But I liked the DSL when I got it (duh) but I really grew to dislike it.
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#34
Wait.. So the guying saying NOT to get a DSL401 is the guy that say Marshalls Class 5 sound great?

Logic.
#35
You ever played em both? I like the little class 5 with a big cab and a boost. You gonna tell me what I like and don't like? This is the point I've made in my last three posts. You gotta go play them. Every recommendation i got on UG when I was younger was something I ended up selling cause I didn't like it.
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#36
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The gain is fizzy and harsh, the cleans are unusable. It's just not a good amp. And I love the ... 900s but Marshall changed the 2000.


What is this I don't even.

I'm sorry, but you're talking crap. Maybe the DSL you had was damaged in some way, but the stuff you describe is not indicative of DSLs at all. The DSL is essentially what the 2205/10 should have been. Great amps when dialed in right.
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#37
Quote by Artemis Entreri
To be honest unless I was offered a JTM-45 I wouldn't trade my p2p deluxe for a Marshall. Never had anything bad to say about the 800s I've played or the 900 my old teacher used live. So maybe every DSL I've played is a lemon but I hate em.

Mine had JJs and Sovteks, both of which were eh. I used the original 2x12 that were in it whatever those were along with a mesa cab which I borrowed for a little. I usually used it with the master on 10 and got my gain from cranking the pre so anywhere between 5-9. I kept it for so long because it was alright flat out with my PRS, but pushing 110db is never enjoyable.

I was sad when he switched to the DSL. He sounds like himself obviously and I'm probably just biased but I like his tone on older recordings better. Could I tell it in a blind test? I'd give myself a 50/50 shot.

Honestly TS you have to go play for yourself. But I liked the DSL when I got it (duh) but I really grew to dislike it.
He wasn't using the DSL in the studio, DSL's were his live amps. In the studio he mostly used a JTM45, especially on his later stuff.
There was nothing wrong with his live tone, nothing at all. A properly dialed in DSL with the right tubes and speakers is a fine amp - as long as you don't get one of the ones with the bad rectifier.

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#38
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What is this I don't even.

I'm sorry, but you're talking crap. Maybe the DSL you had was damaged in some way, but the stuff you describe is not indicative of DSLs at all. The DSL is essentially what the 2205/10 should have been. Great amps when dialed in right.


I'm talking my personal experience with the amps. It's moderately possible I owned and both of my friends own duds but I couldn't stand one. Next time I'm forced into guitar center maybe I'll check one out again.
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#39
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He wasn't using the DSL in the studio, DSL's were his live amps. In the studio he mostly used a JTM45, especially on his later stuff.
There was nothing wrong with his live tone, nothing at all. A properly dialed in DSL with the right tubes and speakers is a fine amp - as long as you don't get one of the ones with the bad rectifier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_YMLDvvnw


true, but isn't the 401 combo a bit different? it probably has a crappy speaker and a non-ply cabinet. the heads are a different story, but they're a lot more when you factor in a decent ply cab with decent speakers.

i still say the traynor is a good call.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?