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#45
Quote by Wisthekiller
Used Class 5 and get a TS later.


Class 5's are something you'd want to avoid. You'd be better off with a DSL401 although that doesn't do the best metal tone.

Everyone replying in this thread may as well read the TS's original thread.

Mate, the Vypyr is still the amp you would want to get right now.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1580373
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
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hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
#46
Hey man we've all been in the same boat when you're getting better but your tone isn't. If you're looking Led Zep tone I highly suggest getting a guitar with Humbuckers. The Squier if it's an HSS is most likely not too hot regardless.

You need to evenly distribute your cash between a good amp and a good guitar and both the amp and guitar need to mate well. For what you're looking for I would suggest a Les Paul type guitar; which can be found cheap in the modern industry (Rondo, SX, etc).

For an amp if you want good distorted tone I would suggest a small tube amp. You already have a distortion pedal so you can drive the amp clean (which will be loud; trust me) and when you have the chance to play loud you can crank the amp and hear the magic. Seriously.

Don't get a modelling amp you'll find they are jacks of all trades masters of none.

Solid state amps, while the high wattage may be enticing, have a very sterile sound (great for jazz/cleans) and generally don't have an "organic" overdrive that is dynamic and responsive to your playing.

Check out the Marshall Class 5, Epiphone Valve Jr, Vox AC4TV. Don't let the wattage fool you, these amps will sound louder and better than their solid state/modeling cousins.
#47
Quote by ekomouse
Hey man we've all been in the same boat when you're getting better but your tone isn't. If you're looking Led Zep tone I highly suggest getting a guitar with Humbuckers. The Squier if it's an HSS is most likely not too hot regardless.

You need to evenly distribute your cash between a good amp and a good guitar and both the amp and guitar need to mate well. For what you're looking for I would suggest a Les Paul type guitar; which can be found cheap in the modern industry (Rondo, SX, etc).

For an amp if you want good distorted tone I would suggest a small tube amp. You already have a distortion pedal so you can drive the amp clean (which will be loud; trust me) and when you have the chance to play loud you can crank the amp and hear the magic. Seriously.

Don't get a modelling amp you'll find they are jacks of all trades masters of none.

Solid state amps, while the high wattage may be enticing, have a very sterile sound (great for jazz/cleans) and generally don't have an "organic" overdrive that is dynamic and responsive to your playing.

Check out the Marshall Class 5, Epiphone Valve Jr, Vox AC4TV. Don't let the wattage fool you, these amps will sound louder and better than their solid state/modeling cousins.


With his budget though he has no choice but to go with a modeller. Of course they're jack of all trades, but he's just a beginner at guitar and rather the Vypyr will help his ears develop for the sort of tone he's after.

No, a new guitar should NOT be a priority AT ALL right now. Amp makes a much bigger difference, and with is current one, all his money should be spent on it.

Later down the road if he eventually decides he wants to play exclusively metal or another genre, he can upgrade his guitar. But for now it's not necessary. I only run guitars with single coils and can achieve a Led Zep tone with a couple twitches of the tone knob. Most of this comes from my AC30.
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
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Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
#48
^When most people think of Led Zep they think of cranked Marshall through Les Paul rather than his tele or less distorted rhythm sounds. AC30 + Singles while a great tone combo is not a Marshall with a Paul.

It is much better to buy gear that will last. Garbage gear will be outgrown and in the end a waste of money. Case in point, the situation he is in right now.
#50
dude, you need to listen to suggestions.
Is that vypyr 60 with sanpera still on guitar center used?
If so, just do yourself a favour and buy it.
A guitar should NOT be your main priority now.
Also, listen to Volcz
Quote by kangaxxter
Tone is in the fingers.

What you really need is a new amp.

(Anything I missed?)



Quote by Robbgnarly
I have been hearing about MG amps lately. I have heard good about them, but only a few times have they been talked about here.

#51
I mean.. I never said he should prioritize on a guitar. Just that if he's looking for a certain tone he should logically get a guitar that is similar to JP's iconic Paul. Seems logical to me.

You can find a used tube amp that actually has good tone for 150-250 dollars all day on eBay. All day.

Why would anyone want a modelling amp for more money?
#52
Yeah but good luck finding an tube amp that does stairway to heaven up to avenged sevenfold well.
I think i would prefer a modelling amp for his needs- TUBE IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST OPTION.
Quote by kangaxxter
Tone is in the fingers.

What you really need is a new amp.

(Anything I missed?)



Quote by Robbgnarly
I have been hearing about MG amps lately. I have heard good about them, but only a few times have they been talked about here.

#54
avenged sevenfold, asking alexandria, blink-182

from his profile page.
dude- his profile picture is avenged sevenfold.
plus, look at his older thread which volcz linked to.
Quote by kangaxxter
Tone is in the fingers.

What you really need is a new amp.

(Anything I missed?)



Quote by Robbgnarly
I have been hearing about MG amps lately. I have heard good about them, but only a few times have they been talked about here.

Last edited by randomguy2000 at Jan 3, 2013,
#55
i messaged this guy online and he said that he would sell a peavey vypyr 75 for 300$. what should i do
Last edited by vince--hey at Jan 3, 2013,
#56
Quote by vince--hey
i messaged this guy online and he said that he would sell a peavey vypyr 75 for 300$. what should i do

Tell him they sell for half that and less regularly, offer him $150. Don't go above $175.
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tl;dr How does one safely remove the smell of a corpse from a banjo?


Would you run down past the fence?

Tell us, is the black box lying?
#57
Quote by vince--hey
i messaged this guy online and he said that he would sell a peavey vypyr 75 for 300$. what should i do


You should ignore him and quit looking at the 75 watt Vypyrs.

Go get a 60 watt tube version and be happy for a long time.

Ignore anyone that says you need a new guitar first, they are wrong. Not mistaken, just flat out wrong.
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#58
i am not getting a guitar, i think im going to save up and get the tube 60. the tube 60 can you put an amp head on that
#59
One thing you might do is keep an eye out for store demo sales.

Example: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TSA30d1

And regarding its status as a demo, Sweetwater says:
At Sweetwater, "Demo" usually means one of the following: It might have spent a little time in our display room. A Sales Engineer may have put it through its paces to explain it to customers. It could have been tried out for a few days. We treat demo models exactly as we treat new gear. You get a full manufacturer's warranty, as well as Sweetwater's commitment to customer satisfaction. Other than it having been in someone's hands or hanging on a rack for a brief period of time, it's as good as new - at a great bargain! Please note that this product is available in limited or single quantities. While we do our best to keep our online product information up to date, we cannot guarantee that this product will be in stock at the time your order is placed (for instance, another customer could be purchasing this product as you read this text). If you would like to verify that this product is in stock prior to making your purchase, please contact us or call toll free (800) 222-4700.


Yeah, they want to sell it, but they want you to be happy with it.

Reputable retailers will give you decent prices on demo gear, and it will be in decent shape. Even if there is no warranty, they'll probably have given it a once-over just to make sure its not a lemon- that way, they don't kill future sales opportunities.

And, because its a store demo, even though it may have taken some abuse, it won't be anything like someone might have out it through personally.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Jan 3, 2013,
#60
Quote by vince--hey
i am not getting a guitar, i think im going to save up and get the tube 60. the tube 60 can you put an amp head on that

wut?
Please explain.
And good call on saving up for the tube 60
Quote by kangaxxter
Tone is in the fingers.

What you really need is a new amp.

(Anything I missed?)



Quote by Robbgnarly
I have been hearing about MG amps lately. I have heard good about them, but only a few times have they been talked about here.

#61
Quote by randomguy2000
wut?
Please explain.
And good call on saving up for the tube 60


I THINK he means 'can I attach external speaker(s)', but I'm not sure.

If that's the question, the answer is yes.
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#62
Quote by Alphaform
Don't get a mustang - their metal tones are absolutely terrible.


he has a metalzone, and from the reviews and the videos Ive' seen online mustangs seem to handle them relatively well compared to other modellers.
My shitty gear:
Vox AD30VT-XL
Danelectro Fab Metal
Zoom 505 II
ESP Ltd MH-50
#63
Quote by vince--hey
i messaged this guy online and he said that he would sell a peavey vypyr 75 for 300$. what should i do


$300 is way too much, there's a dude in ottawa selling one WITH the sanpera for $200 and it still hasn't been sold yet which should give you a rough idea at how much they go used for in canada

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-musical-instruments-amps-pedals-Peavey-Vypyr-75-Watt-Amp-Sanpera-1-Foot-Controller-W0QQAdIdZ432052280
My shitty gear:
Vox AD30VT-XL
Danelectro Fab Metal
Zoom 505 II
ESP Ltd MH-50
#64
Well, but actually you don't have to save up for the vyper 60.....
Like others said there are several online on the used section of guitar center, the cheapest being 199.99$ (and the cheapest with sanpera is 249,99$)
#65
Quote by ~Luke~
Well, but actually you don't have to save up for the vyper 60.....
Like others said there are several online on the used section of guitar center, the cheapest being 199.99$ (and the cheapest with sanpera is 249,99$)

my mom doesnt want me to buy stuff online that are expensive because she doesnt want to ''risk it''. in case their orders fuk up or something but that is ridiculous. that never happens. the only way i could buy online is used from like kijiji or something. apart from that i have to buy new.
#66
If it'll make her feel more at ease (almost said feel easier , tell her that Guitar Center's online used ships it to your nearest Guitar Center store, and you can check it out before paying for it.
Quote by Wisthekiller
tl;dr How does one safely remove the smell of a corpse from a banjo?


Would you run down past the fence?

Tell us, is the black box lying?
#68
Quote by Pink Muse
If it'll make her feel more at ease (almost said feel easier , tell her that Guitar Center's online used ships it to your nearest Guitar Center store, and you can check it out before paying for it.


AND you still have something like a month to return it.

I used that policy extensively when looking for a Tacoma acoustic last year. It rook me a few attempts to get the one I currently own. Completely satisfied.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#69
Quote by Arby911
Guitar Center has a used Vypyr 60 with a Sanpera for $249.99 and they ship to Canada...

This


That is a great deal. I got my Vypyr 60 for $315 used a year ago and it didn't come with the Sanpera pedal. It will handle your Blink, Zep, A7X, AA and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Barring that the Classic 30, SuperChamp and the Valveking would also work (for Zep) but I like the Vypyr 60 much better - especially if you also play metal.
#70
Quote by vince--hey
ya but i dont think there is a guitar center in laval or near laval

That's near Quebec, right?
http://www.guitarcenter.com/International/ContextSelector.aspx
The store locator I found with Google is US only, but that should help.

Shipping, however, may be a bigger problem for you; I've heard of people getting 4x12 cabs and 100 watt tube heads shipped for $15 and under, but I don't know about international, and I can't remember the name of the store chain I see a lot of Canadians post about.
Quote by Wisthekiller
tl;dr How does one safely remove the smell of a corpse from a banjo?


Would you run down past the fence?

Tell us, is the black box lying?
#71
Quote by Pink Muse
If it'll make her feel more at ease (almost said feel easier , tell her that Guitar Center's online used ships it to your nearest Guitar Center store, and you can check it out before paying for it.


Not when they are shipping to Canada...
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#74
Quote by Shadowofravenwo
Arby 416 posted this profile in my thread.

I'm liking the sound of the Vypyr clips:

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/311ZOSOVHJH/

My only concern is that modelers are merely a stop gap for most people until they want a pure tube sound or can afford a straight tub.


Not entirely true. Consider that a good modeler will closely replicate a LOT of different amps for a very reasonable cost. Yes, there are tube snobs that refuse to use modelers, but for the vast majority of us they are perfectly acceptable.

(And I own several all-tube amps, so it's not like I'm a modeler fanatic...)

Also....416?
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#76
Quote by Arby911
Not entirely true. Consider that a good modeler will closely replicate a LOT of different amps for a very reasonable cost. Yes, there are tube snobs that refuse to use modelers, but for the vast majority of us they are perfectly acceptable.

(And I own several all-tube amps, so it's not like I'm a modeler fanatic...)

Also....416?


Sorry, misremembered the actual numbers! I did give you credit though.

I have a badly abused Boss MG-80. It is a loaner. Anything I think would be an upgrade.
#78
Quote by vince--hey
the thing is i only have 300$ and the tube 60 would be 540$


I'd start saving...

Or beg to be allowed to buy used!
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#79
Quote by Arby911
I'd start saving...

Or beg to be allowed to buy used!


ya ima start saving and get money in october cuz there are no places i could work and my dad wont pay me if i work at his garage.
#80
Quote by vince--hey
ya ima start saving and get money in october cuz there are no places i could work and my dad wont pay me if i work at his garage.


If you follow through on that I suspect you'll be very pleased with the result.

Good luck,
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin