Bradojo1400
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HELLO

So I have a driver thing, I have a Mac, I have GarageBand, I have an electric guitar (duh), I have a distortion pedal, I have an amp, and I have an external plug-in mic.

When I record guitar using the driver, the quality of the recording sucks because the guitar effects GB provides are horrible (unless I'm not screwing around with them enough)

I'm always striving to get a distorted guitar sound, like todays modern and alternative rock, but I don't want horrible quality. I want it to sound like you would hear on a pro band's CD. Is that possible? How can I get the best guitar sound? Through the amp and into the mic, or through my driver and into my computer, or what? Its very annoying, I hate recording such a crappy sound. I would really appreciate help, I asked this somewhere else on here but I am still confused on what I should do do get the best sound possible.

THANKYOU
Cavalcade
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#2
You'll have to give some samples for us to help you, but here's some general advice: learn to EQ. Tweak your settings non-stop. Experiment with mic placement. But mostly, learn to EQ. Most "bedroom" tone comes from not properly EQing your guitars.
Bradojo1400
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Examples of what exactly? And alright I'm going to experiment with the EQ...And so you suggest I record through the mic rather than plugging my guitar into the driver and into the computer?

Thanks for your response
Cavalcade
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#4
Samples. Sound clips. We need to hear what's wrong, rather than have it described, to give the best advice. But I think I know what you're talking about. You can't just plug your amp's record-out into your computer; the point of micing it in the first place is to soften the sound a bit by giving it some air. If you're dead-set on recording directly, you can do that on your computer, though; look into our amp sim thread, and download a cabinet simulator.
ItsThatDude
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#5
If you want that ridiculous 80's super squeaky clean, check out how Andy Summers had his rig set up for Zenyatta Mondata, and the recording methods he used for his guitar as well. That's a pretty clear sound in my mind

Whoops! I actually read your post, I'm gonna need to hear what you're talking about. All I can say is EQ, EQ, EQ.
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Bradojo1400
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Forgive my noobiness, but Cavalade, where would one find this amp sim thread you speak of? I just tried looking for it but im probably doing this wrong.
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#7
Quote by Cavalcade
You'll have to give some samples for us to help you, but here's some general advice: learn to EQ. Tweak your settings non-stop. Experiment with mic placement. But mostly, learn to EQ. Most "bedroom" tone comes from not properly EQing your guitars.


Slightly OT, but...

You know what I'd love to see? An article (or series of articles) outlining, say, the Top 10 Most Commonly-Made Mistakes by amateur recorders.
Cavalcade
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First off, we're still waiting on those samples.

Here's what happens to a guitar signal in a professional modern-metal setup.
First, there's usually a pedal gain stage before the amp, an overdrive or tube screamer. Then comes the amp head. That's where most of the gain takes place, along with some basic equalization with the bass/mid/treble knobs, among other things. The valves give the sound its distorted character.
What comes out of the amp head is a violent, distorted, trebly mess. But then, it goes into the speaker cabinet, and the speakers' acoustic response softens it a bit, making it sound more natural.
You can simulate all three of these stages with the right plugins, and that thread has all of them. But somewhere between the guitar and your ears, you'll want:
*An overdrive/tube screamer pedal (optional)
*An amp simulator to give it some gain and character
*A cabinet simulator (or "cab sim") to soften the sound
Even if you play metal, you WILL NEED a cab sim (or real cabinet) unless you want to sound like a lost Burzum demo. It's important.
Bradojo1400
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I see, so will these amp simulators work with GarageBand and other DAWs? And are they better than the ones provided in GB?

And how can I like, send or upload a sample?
Cavalcade
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Quote by Bradojo1400
so will these amp simulators work with GarageBand and other DAWs?

They're mostly VST plugins; they're the industry standard. I'm not sure if GB will support them, since I haven't used it, but most DAWs should.
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And are they better than the ones provided in GB?

You'll have to answer that one for yourself.
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And how can I like, send or upload a sample?

Use the "My MP3s " section of your UG profile.
Bradojo1400
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Alright, I uploaded a quick simple example.
Check it out and you'll hear the crappiness.

Recorded it through my driver; not through amp to mic
Bradojo1400
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Quote by Cavalcade
First off, we're still waiting on those samples.

Here's what happens to a guitar signal in a professional modern-metal setup.
First, there's usually a pedal gain stage before the amp, an overdrive or tube screamer. Then comes the amp head. That's where most of the gain takes place, along with some basic equalization with the bass/mid/treble knobs, among other things. The valves give the sound its distorted character.
What comes out of the amp head is a violent, distorted, trebly mess. But then, it goes into the speaker cabinet, and the speakers' acoustic response softens it a bit, making it sound more natural.
You can simulate all three of these stages with the right plugins, and that thread has all of them. But somewhere between the guitar and your ears, you'll want:
*An overdrive/tube screamer pedal (optional)
*An amp simulator to give it some gain and character
*A cabinet simulator (or "cab sim") to soften the sound
Even if you play metal, you WILL NEED a cab sim (or real cabinet) unless you want to sound like a lost Burzum demo. It's important.


Off by heart, is there a specific one I should download in order to get a modern punk alternative, (basically rock ) sound?
Cavalcade
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It sounds like you need a cab sim, just like I thought. Do what you're doing, but add a cab sim (or an IR loader; they do roughly the same thing) in GB. Which IR loader you use won't matter as much as the IRs themselves, so get anything, and you can pick something better later. For a beginner, you'll want a tone before you can get the tone. Crawling before you walk and all that.
Bradojo1400
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Quote by Cavalcade
It sounds like you need a cab sim, just like I thought. Do what you're doing, but add a cab sim (or an IR loader; they do roughly the same thing) in GB. Which IR loader you use won't matter as much as the IRs themselves, so get anything, and you can pick something better later. For a beginner, you'll want a tone before you can get the tone. Crawling before you walk and all that.


Alright, so when I go to thread you linked earlier, which one should i download? Theres a bunch of different tittles and im confused. Im starting to understand what youve been saying though
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Quote by Bradojo1400
Alright, so when I go to thread you linked earlier, which one should i download? Theres a bunch of different tittles and im confused. Im starting to understand what youve been saying though

A good start would be anything under the "FREE AMP SIMS" heading, I'd recommend the mac versions of the LePou HyBrit, LeCto, Le456, and maybe LeXtac (not linked to there, but it's on the sidebar in the LePou website). These act like the head in a real amp, and those 4 should cover most tones fairly well.
Next jump down to "FREE IMPULSE LOADERS" and grab any of those, I prefer LeCab for flexibility, but if you're just starting keFIR is supposed to be much simpler to use. This will load the impulses (which will be explained in a sec). I like to think of it like the speaker cable in a real amp, because it lets you connect the virtual head to the virtual cab.
Finally go to "FREE IMPULSE RESPONSES" and download something from there. I like Catharsis but the link's dead, so I'd suggest the RedWirez Marshall 1960A. This is the equivalent of the Cab in a real amp, because it simulates the speaker and enclosure. It also simulates the mic infront of the amp and the placement of the mic.
If you're after some better high gain sounds then you can also go to the "FREE PEDALS + ENHANCERS" heading and download the TSE 808. This simulates an Ibanez TS808 Tubescreamer, Just set the Distortion to 0 the Level to max and the Tone to taste.

Once you've got those, when you load them into your DAW you want them loaded in this order: Tubescreamer (If used) > Amp Sim > Impulse Loader
E.G. TSE 808 > LeCto > LeCab (with one of the Catharsis impulses loaded)
E.G. HyBrit > keFIR (with one of the 1960A impulses loaded)
Bradojo1400
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Quote by chatterbox272
A good start would be anything under the "FREE AMP SIMS" heading, I'd recommend the mac versions of the LePou HyBrit, LeCto, Le456, and maybe LeXtac (not linked to there, but it's on the sidebar in the LePou website). These act like the head in a real amp, and those 4 should cover most tones fairly well.
Next jump down to "FREE IMPULSE LOADERS" and grab any of those, I prefer LeCab for flexibility, but if you're just starting keFIR is supposed to be much simpler to use. This will load the impulses (which will be explained in a sec). I like to think of it like the speaker cable in a real amp, because it lets you connect the virtual head to the virtual cab.
Finally go to "FREE IMPULSE RESPONSES" and download something from there. I like Catharsis but the link's dead, so I'd suggest the RedWirez Marshall 1960A. This is the equivalent of the Cab in a real amp, because it simulates the speaker and enclosure. It also simulates the mic infront of the amp and the placement of the mic.
If you're after some better high gain sounds then you can also go to the "FREE PEDALS + ENHANCERS" heading and download the TSE 808. This simulates an Ibanez TS808 Tubescreamer, Just set the Distortion to 0 the Level to max and the Tone to taste.

Once you've got those, when you load them into your DAW you want them loaded in this order: Tubescreamer (If used) > Amp Sim > Impulse Loader
E.G. TSE 808 > LeCto > LeCab (with one of the Catharsis impulses loaded)
E.G. HyBrit > keFIR (with one of the 1960A impulses loaded)


Thanks chatterbox, im going to try those then. I havent tried all this before so im not sure if I really know what you mean by loading them in order really, ? And do you believe those things will work with GarageBand (although Im trying to learn Cubase as of 3 seconds ago)
Cavalcade
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Quote by chatterbox272
A good start would be anything under the "FREE AMP SIMS" heading, I'd recommend the mac versions of the LePou HyBrit, LeCto, Le456, and maybe LeXtac (not linked to there, but it's on the sidebar in the LePou website). These act like the head in a real amp, and those 4 should cover most tones fairly well.
Next jump down to "FREE IMPULSE LOADERS" and grab any of those, I prefer LeCab for flexibility, but if you're just starting keFIR is supposed to be much simpler to use. This will load the impulses (which will be explained in a sec). I like to think of it like the speaker cable in a real amp, because it lets you connect the virtual head to the virtual cab.
Finally go to "FREE IMPULSE RESPONSES" and download something from there. I like Catharsis but the link's dead, so I'd suggest the RedWirez Marshall 1960A. This is the equivalent of the Cab in a real amp, because it simulates the speaker and enclosure. It also simulates the mic infront of the amp and the placement of the mic.
If you're after some better high gain sounds then you can also go to the "FREE PEDALS + ENHANCERS" heading and download the TSE 808. This simulates an Ibanez TS808 Tubescreamer, Just set the Distortion to 0 the Level to max and the Tone to taste.

Once you've got those, when you load them into your DAW you want them loaded in this order: Tubescreamer (If used) > Amp Sim > Impulse Loader
E.G. TSE 808 > LeCto > LeCab (with one of the Catharsis impulses loaded)
E.G. HyBrit > keFIR (with one of the 1960A impulses loaded)


He's not asking for a completely digital rig; it sounds like he's using a real pedal and amp, then running the amp output directly into the computer, which means all he needs is a cab sim (since the amp output bypasses the actual cabinet).

And like I said in my previous post, the differences between cab sims shouldn't matter at this point. We'll burn that bridge when we get to it. (Or whatever you're supposed to do with bridges.)

To TS: Please, don't get ahead of yourself. Re-read my last two posts carefully.
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Bradojo1400
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Quote by Cavalcade
He's not asking for a completely digital rig; it sounds like he's using a real pedal and amp, then running the amp output directly into the computer, which means all he needs is a cab sim (since the amp output bypasses the actual cabinet).

And like I said in my previous post, the differences between cab sims shouldn't matter at this point. We'll burn that bridge when we get to it. (Or whatever you're supposed to do with bridges.)

To TS: Please, don't get ahead of yourself. Re-read my last two posts carefully.


Yea so Calvalcade, just to be clear, how I have been recording, for example, the sample I have on my profile, is recorded through my driver. Im not doing anything with my amp, pedal and then playing into an external mic. Its just my guitar, driver, and mac It seems to me you really know what youre talking about and i just want to make sure that you know my situation correctly because i dont how to show ideas properly

And yes i may be confusing.
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chatterbox272
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Quote by Cavalcade
He's not asking for a completely digital rig; it sounds like he's using a real pedal and amp, then running the amp output directly into the computer, which means all he needs is a cab sim (since the amp output bypasses the actual cabinet)

Ah, my bad. Generally it's better to go full digital than trying to use line outs and stuff (IMO anyway) but whatever.

In that case, you can skip the amp sim itself, because you have an actual amp doing that. So just go straight into an impulse loader like LeCab or keFIR, and use that to load up an impulse response like the RedWirez Marshall 1960A or Catharsis.
Cavalcade
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Quote by Bradojo1400
Yea so Calvalcade, just to be clear, how I have been recording, for example, the sample I have on my profile, is recorded through my driver. Im not doing anything with my amp, pedal and then playing into an external mic. Its just my guitar, driver, and mac It seems to me you really know what youre talking about and i just want to make sure that you know my situation correctly because i dont how to show ideas properly

And yes i may be confusing.

All right then; there's definitely some kind of distortion afterwards, I'd assume that's a GB plugin, in which case you'll probably want amp/cab sims after that.
lockwolf
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#23
Quote by Bradojo1400
I'm always striving to get a distorted guitar sound, like todays modern and alternative rock, but I don't want horrible quality. I want it to sound like you would hear on a pro band's CD. Is that possible? How can I get the best guitar sound?


How much are you willing to spend? I'm assuming by most bands, you mean what I'd hear if I turned on the Radio. Typically, you're looking at a decent guitar going into a several thousand dollar tube amp with a very nice speaker cab mic'd by multiple mics including a SM57, various condensers or a ribbon mic. Then, from there, going into either a $50,000+ recording console or through various $3,000+ channel strips. Usually, they're using Pro Tools HD as their DAW of choice which is another $5,000-$20,000.

Not to be a complete dick but there's no real way to get that good of a sound without spending a serious amount of cash. Its possible to get a good sound but I haven't heard Pro Quality without a decent signal chain.

That being said:

So I have a driver thing, I have a Mac, I have GarageBand, I have an electric guitar (duh), I have a distortion pedal, I have an amp, and I have an external plug-in mic.


What the hell do you mean by driver thing?
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Bradojo1400
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Quote by Cavalcade
All right then; there's definitely some kind of distortion afterwards, I'd assume that's a GB plugin, in which case you'll probably want amp/cab sims after that.


Yea, I had the "Punk rock" virtual amp on when I recorded that sample earlier. When recording, should I not use any GB amps and just use downloaded amp/cab sims?
Bradojo1400
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Quote by lockwolf
Not to be a complete dick but there's no real way to get that good of a sound without spending a serious amount of cash. Its possible to get a good sound but I haven't heard Pro Quality without a decent signal chain.

That being said:

What the hell do you mean by driver thing?


Yea, I realized that, but I just think there has to be a way I can just somewhat improve the sound I have right now.

And its a Tascam US-122mkII Audio/Midi Interface what I have. Little unit I plug guitar through and into mac. The driver I downloaded along with it