Deenis
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For those who own/have played the egnater renegade 65w head, would you say it's pretty close to an orange in terms of how responsive it is? Also, what can I do to get the overdrive to sound a little bit ballsier and less smooth? If it helps, I'll be playing in a loud stonery kinda rock/metal band with the head, if I buy one. I've got a pretty low budget of like 550, and someone on craigslist is selling the head for 490, so I'm kind of interested...

Thanks
Deenis
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By the way, when I mean ballsier and less smooth, I mean that I'd like to get the sound to be a little bit crunchier and "edgier," kinda how the jcm 800's and orange OR series sound.
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It won't really do the Orange grind like a Rockerverb can but for $490 I'd go for it.

These amps have had some QC issues so make sure you got a good one.

The tubes you put in, OD you use and Cab/Speakers you plug into will make more of difference than anything else.

They are a lot more flexible than any Orange out there.

What cab are you going to use?
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Genre-Melodic Hardcore in the style of lifetime, kid dynamite, saves the day. Heavy kinda stuff, such as Old man gloom, Hollow earth, and Converge.
Will most likely get a head used.
Will be playing shows. (need a head that's loud enough to get over the drummer and then some)
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current guitar is an '01 les paul classic, current amp is just a vox modeling amp. one of those avt30's or whatever.

I really like the clarity and roar of the jcm 800 and I recently played an orange or15 and I LOVED the tone so much. But the wattage kinda worried me a bit. And the egnater seems like i'll be getting more bang for my buck.
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Also, I just noticed that the guy who's selling the egnater said that the fan inside doesn't work. Does it really matter if it doesn't work? "He says it's pretty noisy when it's on"
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So do you have a separate cab budget?


here is some stuff that I would consider:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/3515015673.html Alchemist head
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/3514762325.html Rocker 30 combo
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/msg/3483011853.html JCM 900 combo
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3452370707.html JCM 900 head
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3500486131.html Mesa .50 Cal
http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/msg/3510267495.html Laney LC30
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3509950928.html JCM 900 head

No particular order (newest to oldest) all in the past week. There were more too that were older but these looked like a good start. I really do like the Renegade but I wouldn't buy one that had issues.
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Nice 311.
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
So do you have a separate cab budget?


here is some stuff that I would consider:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/3515015673.html Alchemist head
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/3514762325.html Rocker 30 combo
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/msg/3483011853.html JCM 900 combo
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3452370707.html JCM 900 head
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3500486131.html Mesa .50 Cal
http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/msg/3510267495.html Laney LC30
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3509950928.html JCM 900 head

No particular order (newest to oldest) all in the past week. There were more too that were older but these looked like a good start. I really do like the Renegade but I wouldn't buy one that had issues.


Thanks man! I have a few cabs in mind I'd like to get used at some point in the future. But until I have enough money for one I will be borrowing cabs at shows
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R45VT


Edit:
Quote by Deenis
Thanks man! I have a few cabs in mind I'd like to get used at some point in the future. But until I have enough money for one I will be borrowing cabs at shows

I would seriously consider that .50 Cal or the Rocker 30 until you have saved up a larger budget. Was that your Vox AD30 I saw on there?
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Deenis
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R45VT?

I'm really lookin for a head rather than a combo that's the thing. I'm liking the vids of the bogner I'm watching I'm just feelin a little iffy about the fact that line 6 is involved in the build you know?
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Edit:

I would seriously consider that .50 Cal or the Rocker 30 until you have saved up a larger budget. Was that your Vox AD30 I saw on there?
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Line 6 makes good products. The Spider just has a crappy rep but most of their other products (Vetta, Flextone, DTs, Pods, pedals, etc) are really decent.

The Alchemist has kind of weird love/hate thing going on. I generally like them and the built in delay works really well. They were blowing out the combos at $499 new recently. They are a bit darker voiced which should work well for what you are playing but honestly I do not know any of the bands you listed so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have to say I have not heard of one complaint about their build quality.

I'd still rather have a Mesa .50 Cal but then I don't know how well it will do what you want.


Edit: I was talking to my buddy R45VT
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Sounds a lot like Killswitch Engage. I dig it. Maybe it was the 'Howard' type voice.

Either way - I personally don't think the distortion is all that gritty. To me that is a smoother modern metal type tone. I think any of the amps I listed should be able to get that tone. The Mesa in particular. You can always hook it up to a cab if that is the look you are going for and then get a amp head later on.

Besides, if you get a amp head now - you won't be able to use it at home. One of these combo's means you take it with you.

I'll also throw out the Peavey Vypyr. I got my Vypyr 60 combo used for $315.

But just because the guitar is drop tuned and triple tracked and the singer sounds like Howard from KSE does not mean that the core tone is heavily distorted or 'ballsier and less smooth'

Someone else help me out here....maybe I'm on the crack pipe again.
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That sounds more modern than british voiced to me.

That wasn't stoner rock at all.


Can you clarify what you after exactly?? Stoner Rock or more "core" sounds.
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Deenis
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That sounds more modern than british voiced to me.

That wasn't stoner rock at all.


Can you clarify what you after exactly?? Stoner Rock or more "core" sounds.


I know that wasn't stoner rock. The stoner metal/rock/whatever band I play in is influenced by stuff like doomriders, elder, electric wizard, cursed, and torche.

I was just saying I like this tone a lot, for the hardcore less metal stuff I'll be playing.

I'm after a head that will give me a tone similar to a jcm 800 or an orange or-120. Sorry if i didn't really clarify that earlier, I was tired when posting. I don't really like super gross sounding guitar tones for the stoner type of stuff however. I love the voicing and feel that the jcm 800/ some of the orange stuff has for the hardcore stuff I'll be playing. When using whatever head I get for the stoner rock stuff though, I'd probably just throw a pedal in front of it to give me a tad more gain (if needed).

I like their to be a good amount of roar and clarity in my sound. I'm not a huge fan of mesa's and the like because I usually find them to be a bit muddy and fizzy sounding
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But back to my original question, how responsive is the egnater in comparison with the orange stuff?
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Quote by Deenis
But back to my original question, how responsive is the egnater in comparison with the orange stuff?


You are losing me with the response question. Do you mean voicing? Pick attack?

I would forget the egnater as it already has issues. Don't mess with it.


http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/3461836562.html

http://longisland.craigslist.org/msg/3483315671.html Laney

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/msg/3502427162.html 5150- can get him down on price
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Deenis
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You are losing me with the response question. Do you mean voicing? Pick attack?

I would forget the egnater as it already has issues. Don't mess with it.


http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/3461836562.html

http://longisland.craigslist.org/msg/3483315671.html Laney

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/msg/3502427162.html 5150- can get him down on price


I played a rockerverb and an OR15 recently, and it's weird to explain...but with these two amps, the time between my playing and the sound coming out of the cab is quicker than most other amps I've played. hope this makes sense haha. I found another egnater renegade in better condition by the way, for around the same price
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Go and play it. Nothing says you have to buy it.
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Quote by Deenis
I played a rockerverb and an OR15 recently, and it's weird to explain...but with these two amps, the time between my playing and the sound coming out of the cab is quicker than most other amps I've played. hope this makes sense haha. I found another egnater renegade in better condition by the way, for around the same price


The renegades lead channel isnt as tight as the rockerverb
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Maybe you should aim for an amp that will get you the "core" sound that you want and has a decent clean channel that you can run a nasty dirty fuzz through for your stoner sound?
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Maybe you should aim for an amp that will get you the "core" sound that you want and has a decent clean channel that you can run a nasty dirty fuzz through for your stoner sound?


This.

You can run a Fuzz in front of most amps to get a decent stoner tone. Get an amp that will get you your Core tone, then use a fuzz to stonerize it.

The Renegade isn't what you want. It's a great amp, and I'm an Egnater guy myself, but it's not an amp I would even consider if I was thinking of playing any genre with "Core" in the name. It'll be closer to getting you your stoner sound, but it'll need boosted and the perfect speakers to get you to "Core" territory, and we've already established that speakers are going to be a wildcard for you.

That Mesa .50 Cal would be what I bought. The Alchemist would be another one. I would say to get one of the JCM900's, but the two heads are Dual Reverbs which would need some modding to sound good, and the Combo isn't speficied. If you can find out if the Combo is a MKIII, or SL-X, then it would be worth it. If it's an SL-X, buy it immediately. The JCM900 was meant to capture the sound of a Hotrodded JCM800. However, the Dual Reverb isn't worth touching unless you are capable of modding it to take all of the Clipping Diodes and Op-Amps out of the preamp. The MKIII would need less modding to do the same thing (it has less solid state BS in it's preamp), but the SL-X actually has an all-tube preamp. The only Solid State nonsense in it is in the Effects Loop and Master Volume.

Like 311 said, you should look for a used Peavey Vypyr Tube 60. It might be your best bet period.

Here's some stuff I found that you could go for on Guitar Center's used section:
Peavey 6505+ Combo
Peavey XXX
Peavey Ultra 212
Line 6 Spider Valve 212
Marshall DSL50
Peavey Vypyr Tube 60
Jet City JCA100H
Randall RT50H
Marshall DSL401

I would go for that DSL401. It'll do what you want, plus it's a combo so you can play at home and can borrow cabs at gigs. Other than that, I would say the Peavey Ultra or Vypyr Tube 60.