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Vicious_Turtle
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hey guys, so i got my replacement egnater vengeance and it is worse than the first. this one doesnt even produce sound. looks like all the tubes dont heat up. at all......im not sure what to do. not reall excited to try a 3rd. i seem to have bad luck with amps. i had 3 peavey valvekings, all of which broke. 2 bugera 6262's the first broke, and my replacement bugera makes a loud popping and fizzy noise every so often. even after i changed tubes. so its basically also broken. now 2 egnaters broke. thats 7 broken amps. wtf. whats is reliable? what do i buy?
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I'm sorry to hear about your bad luck mate, it seems to be striking a lot of people here lately.

When you get the amp, do you go through and make sure all the tubes are seated properly before you plug it in and turn it on? I mean for the QC issues that Egnater has been experiencing, you still don't see too many lemons, especially two in a row.
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Almost sounds like that guy from the other thread with poor electrical supply in his house.
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when I saw this thread I was going to come in and say

"ish....move on and find something else"

But.....7 broken amps is absurd. Are all of your amps delivered to you? Maybe your UPS guy has it in for you


Sorry. Not funny. I really like the Vengeance but something is going on here.
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
when I saw this thread I was going to come in and say

"ish....move on and find something else"

But.....7 broken amps is absurd. Are all of your amps delivered to you? Maybe your UPS guy has it in for you


Sorry. Not funny. I really like the Vengeance but something is going on here.

Agreed!

Also, the first thing I do is always remove the cover to ensure everything's seated properly.
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I still like Egnater.

inb4 Blktiger.
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im serious! its getting absurd! ill take the amp out, plug it in. let it warm up. and shit just breaks!
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You should get your house wiring looked at, I find it highly unlikely that you can manage to find that many lemons.
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you need to try and get stuff shipped to the store so that you can try it out first.
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i had a total of four dead JCA2112RC's from musicians friend brand new out of box and just got them to swap a Orange PPC212OB cab for it and i think we were both happy.

you do have something weird going on there though.
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At least his works. Its always nice to have a guy around who knows what it should sound like and how it operates.


We know the Bugeras are DOA a bunch. Can factor that out...

FedEx UPS.....big factor. Maybe they throw it around since its heavy.
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Get an electrician in....
Or at least run it from a UPS or something.
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thats 7 broken amps. wtf. whats is reliable? what do i buy?


That's why you should get an MIA Peavey.

That is ridiculous though. My first reaction with that number of problems is user error, though I realize that's probably not the case here.

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I got a floor model Armageddon as soon as they came out. Runs perfectly. Eats my 6505+ for breakfast. I hope you don't let your experiences taint your view of Egnater it's just a series of unfortunate coincidences, or there's something else at work. Not to be a dick, but you're using actual speaker cables, and running the amps into a working cab with the right impedance setting right?
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... but you're using actual speaker cables, and running the amps into a working cab with the right impedance setting right?


I agree that it's important to check this. I know all the amps you've owned are MIC and have had reliability issues, but 7 broken amps sets off alarm bells. Not saying it's definitely due to user error, but it's something you should look into. Are you running all of these amps into the same cab? If so, are you sure that all the speakers in the cab are working?

Sorry to hear about the issues you're having. I love my tourmaster and the other Egnaters I've tried, so it's dissapointing to hear about these reliability issues that keep popping up. Hopefully they can work it out, because they make some killer sounding amps.
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I don't know if this helps but I bought this thing that plugs into the wall called a "Kill a Watt." It has an outlet on it and whatever is plugged into it it will display volts coming from the wall, wattage being used, amps being used, etc. It even tracks kWh. I actually was using it to see how much current my Lipo charger for my RC helis was using but I bet it would give you a good idea of how your house power is performing. Can't hurt, its pretty cheap, too.
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I don't know if this helps but I bought this thing that plugs into the wall called a "Kill a Watt." It has an outlet on it and whatever is plugged into it it will display volts coming from the wall, wattage being used, amps being used, etc. It even tracks kWh. I actually was using it to see how much current my Lipo charger for my RC helis was using but I bet it would give you a good idea of how your house power is performing. Can't hurt, its pretty cheap, too.

Well that will only display what is being drawn though, not what is being provided, or whether or not there are any problems with the socket or anything.
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Well that will only display what is being drawn though, not what is being provided, or whether or not there are any problems with the socket or anything.


If you just plug the Killawatt into the socket, it will display the voltage that is being supplied. For example, mine is reading 119.2v currently, with nothing plugged into it.
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That's a ridiculous amount of failures. I think you may be cursed. Did you kick an Irish midget or something?
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i think its just, you pay for what you get, the valvekings are shit, the bugeras are a little better in terms of durability. and im not sure about these egnaters. but they feel real solid. only down side is they are made in china. maybe i should just man up. buy a mesa dual rec. or bogner uberschall
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damn man! I bet it is not coincidence, check your cab/speaker(s)/cable =/

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i think its just, you pay for what you get, the valvekings are shit, the bugeras are a little better in terms of durability. and im not sure about these egnaters. but they feel real solid. only down side is they are made in china. maybe i should just man up. buy a mesa dual rec. or bogner uberschall


ValveKings don't burn themselves down.

You may be right that you get what you pay for, but it's still hard to believe there's nothing else going on. My MIC Vypyr has served me well, and obviously there are tons of people who use MIC amps every day. Not really sure where I'm going with that anecdotal evidence.

Have you tried using your amps somewhere else besides your house?
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Thats insane dude! Ive had my Vengeance for around a year now and I have never had any issues whatsoever! I would suggest maybe getting some kind of power conditioner before the amp, that way if it is faulty wiring the conditioner would go before the amp itself. I have a Monster conditioner that cost me about $80 that covers all my rack gear, pedals, and my amp.
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i think its just, you pay for what you get, the valvekings are shit, the bugeras are a little better in terms of durability. and im not sure about these egnaters. but they feel real solid. only down side is they are made in china. maybe i should just man up. buy a mesa dual rec. or bogner uberschall


i think you have it the wrong way. bugera has never been close to reliable in my eyes. even the infinitum (___) have had a bunch of failures.

i don't care what peavey it is, its more reliable than anything bugera has ever made. i have seen a 6505 fall off a full stack and work five minutes later once he re-seated the tubes. it definitly didn't look pretty, but worked.

VK's are solid amps. the reason that people don't like them is because they are trying to get a 6505 sound and think they can do it on a budget with a VK. put tubes and an OD and an EQ in the loop and run it with a decent cab, doesn't sound bad at all.

to note. i am not a peavey fanboy, i have had three heads, an older SS head, a VK, and a 6505+. they are fine amps but i wouldn't buy any of them in my situation.

mesas are solid too - go on youtube and search something along the lines of "Mesa hammer test." i don't think too many other companies do that.

Egnaters are nice amps, but personally i think the Armageddon is a little on the pricey side for what you can get. for $1800 you could find a hundred better things on the used market. or you could pick up a 5153 for the same price brand new.

get a 2ch dual rec or a tremoverb.
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Are all these amps blowing up plugged in at the same house?
If so, can you say, "common denominator"?
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somebody already mentioned this, but. are you SURE you are matching ohms?

is there any possibility that your cab could be a different impedance than it is? i am referiring to a 16 ohm cab not rewired down to 4 ohms, and you just didn't know it.

are you sure ALL speakers are working? if you blow a speaker it changes the impedence (due to running on three speakers) that

any of that could kill any amp.
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At least his works. Its always nice to have a guy around who knows what it should sound like and how it operates.


We know the Bugeras are DOA a bunch. Can factor that out...

FedEx UPS.....big factor. Maybe they throw it around since its heavy.


I'll take that as a compliment (of sorts)

Okay, now down to business.

I agree with the other guys that are saying that there is something else at work here. I had no idea Egnater was having QC issues with these amps until that thread. Everyone else I've heard of getting one has had zero issues, and I had zero issues. If my bad luck didn't kick in (KNOCK ON WOOD!) then your problem isn't bad luck.

How many people do you know that have an issue that every pedal they've ever owned wouldn't work off of batteries, but had to be plugged in? You're talking to one. (Although I haven't tried my three newest, I just assumed and bought a 1spot forever ago). Mine ended up being a blessing in disguise, in a way, because now I don't have battery reliability issues, but enough about that.

It's time to do an all-systems check. Before you send this back, take it to a local guitar store and try it with a different cab, speaker cable, instrument cable, and guitar. Take literally everything other than the amp out of the equation. Take your other gear as well. If it works with all different gear (besides the head) then slowly re-introduce your stuff one item at a time.

If it doesn't work, there's a different problem that is likely an electrical issue at your house.

I mean, killing bugeras is fairly normal, but I will say that Valvekings are built like brick shithouses in terms of completely failing. They have some basic issues like solder joints (especially with PCB mounted pots (ask Cath how he feels about those...I haven't heard him bitch about them in a while )). In terms of just bricking entirely, though, it's not something I've heard about.

Two Vengeances in a row, though? No way. First off, I also got mine out of the first run and have (again, KNOCK ON WOOD) had no issues with it. I did have the small issue with the UPC plug on the back, but that was my own fault. Since then, Bruce has been addressing every issue that the have had with QC as he is made aware of them.

You have to figure, each amp you return that is a brick is an amp that they wasted time, money, and resources on. That's costing them money, so even if they weren't concerned about your experience, they WILL be concerned about their profits. They won't make a profit if most of their amps are returned because they're DOA.

I would say that if this amp STILL doesn't work after trying to eliminate all variables, you give them ONE more try (three stikes you're out, right?) and start at the music store this time. If this one AND the third one are indeed DOA (or at least having major issues) then I would say you return the third one and take your business elsewhere, but also contact Egnater and tell them about your experience. You can (hopefully) get a working amp and Egnater can be made aware that there is clearly something gone awry with their QC.

I see that as a win-win. It's definitely worth you making sure there isn't some outside force ruining your amps and making sure the blame isn't with Egnater. Not to mention you were clearly decided on the Vengeance, so you would probably rather have the amp you originally wanted than settling for "second best".

Just my 2 cents. Or I guess like 15 cents with my novel up there...


Also, as an addition, as others have mentioned, you might want to make SURE your cab is the load you think it is, and that you're matching ohms.

Also, just in case, make sure no matter what the case here that you are using a quality speaker cable. It's worth parting with the extra money for one with a lifetime warranty that isn't going to fart out anytime soon. It's THE MOST important cable in your rig. Having it fail means having your OT in your amp fail, which is the most expensive component to have replaced.
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seven amps DOA?!?!? Something else has to be going on here. Even with 2 or 3 of those being Bugeras, that's still an INSANE failure rate.

Do you know how to use a multi meter? Check the outlets. Do you have issues with other electronics in your house? Ever have lights flickering or dimming, etc? If it truly is seven dead amps that you bought, then you possibly have the worst luck I've ever seen.

I had an Egnater renegade combo, and the thing was built like a tank. I'm not sure what your technical level is, but there are a lot of things in my house that I'd be checking out after maybe TWO DOA amps, much less seven.

EDIT: Does the amp do ANYTHING? Lights come on, etc? Have you checked the fuse in the amp? Put a multi meter across it and check for Ohms (continuity). If you get a reading other than infinite, or out of limit, then the fuse is good. Some (most) meters will beep if there is continuity, depending on how you have it set.
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returned the eganter, got a floor model. works fine. at home too. sounds great
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returned the eganter, got a floor model. works fine. at home too. sounds great

I hope they threw you some free stuff for the agrivation you went through.

glad you got it sorted though.
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returned the eganter, got a floor model. works fine. at home too. sounds great


Brother, I'm telling you that you still need to check those other variables. There is something wrong here other than just bad luck.

Seven dead amps is absolutely unreal. Even with Bugera, usually people are fine after one Lemon. Not always. It's certainly more likely to get a second one with them.

With the only changed variable here being that you bought this one in person, rather than having it delivered, it very well COULD be your UPS man. When I worked there, "Fragile" meant nothing. Unless it was a TV, it didn't get special treatment. Especially around this time of year. This is their busiest season, and they're just coming out of it, but now is "returns" time.

He could certainly be at fault this time.

However, congrats on finally getting your amp

You should do a NAD! I look forward to reading it

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I hope they threw you some free stuff for the agrivation you went through.

glad you got it sorted though.


thats funny you say that, my dad returned it as i couldnt go. and they asked if he wanted any free picks or strings and he said no! he told me that and i was shocked. who says no to free sh*t!!!!????
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Brother, I'm telling you that you still need to check those other variables. There is something wrong here other than just bad luck.

Seven dead amps is absolutely unreal. Even with Bugera, usually people are fine after one Lemon. Not always. It's certainly more likely to get a second one with them.

With the only changed variable here being that you bought this one in person, rather than having it delivered, it very well COULD be your UPS man. When I worked there, "Fragile" meant nothing. Unless it was a TV, it didn't get special treatment. Especially around this time of year. This is their busiest season, and they're just coming out of it, but now is "returns" time.

He could certainly be at fault this time.

However, congrats on finally getting your amp

You should do a NAD! I look forward to reading it

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what is NAD? haa
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Your Dad is insane. Commit him immediately.

NAD is New Amp Day. You can do general NDG (New Gear Day) posts as well. It's just you getting something new and getting to show it off to your fellow UG'ers. It also helps others if they're looking for info about the amp because you have to include pics and either a review of the amp or clips of you playing it.

Here is the sticky about NGD posts:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1257940

and here is an example of a recent NGD I did, so you have an idea:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1580910