#1
I am completely new to the recording world and luckily UG has that sticky which helped out a good amount. There are still things I'm uncertain about (like what "VSTs" and "plug-ins" are), but those I can simply Google.

I do require some help, though. I'm looking for free to inexpensive recording equipment to get my toes in the water, but I don't even know what's considered "bare bones" in the recording world. From what I've learned you can have a DAW, an audio interface, a drum track program, mastering software, a mic, and a software for adding effects. Not sure what else a home recording studio would need, but there are probably things I've missed.

But, like I said, I'm going bare minimum to start. I know you need a DAW like Reaper (seeing as it's been mentioned so much) or something similar found here. I've not yet done research on those programs yet, though. And then there's a drum tracks program to consider. Your opinion: yay or nay? I can probably find a free, simplified version to start off with, but not something as low-end as Tux Guitar, which I've used before.

In terms of the audio interface, I'll try to and a used Saffire 6. The only question I have concerning that is a buddy said he has the same interface, but it doesn't have a mic plug-in. I'm assuming there's more than one model because the link provided in the sticky states that the Saffire 6 (and even the Scarlett 2i4) have mic plug-ins. From there, I can either go guitar to interface to (free) digital modeling amp software or guitar to amp to mic to interface. Ideally, I want the best possible sound quality, but would that be possible with a decent mic (been recommended the SM57 or SM58), a Vox Valvetronix (hybrid amp), and a living room of an apartment? Even without any experience I'm going with "Hell no." Only thing I could think of to help would be to (don't laugh) create a cube with an open face that my amp could sit in and line the walls with that special foam liner stuff. Honestly, I would love feedback on that idea because I have no idea if it sounds absolutely ludicrous or even a little feasible.

EDIT: Almost forgot. How much does your computer's on-board sound card play a factor in this whole mess?
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#2
Just buy protools. an mbox and a good dynamic mic and a condensor. I'd suggest a sm57 for most things. sex1 and maybe an audix d6.
also. Gearslutz.com is great for these types of things.

An mbox is pretty good and cheap. However its not a mixer.
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#3
Quote by jhalterman
I am completely new to the recording world and luckily UG has that sticky which helped out a good amount. There are still things I'm uncertain about (like what "VSTs" and "plug-ins" are), but those I can simply Google.

VST stands for Virtual Studio Technology, and plugins (generally) are referring to the same thing. These do pretty much anything, they are your Equalisers, Amp Simulators, Chorus effects, Delays, Reverbs, Drum Machines, other Virtual Instruments, Compressors, etc. You'll get the hang of it and good on you for actually reading the stickys.

Quote by jhalterman
I do require some help, though. I'm looking for free to inexpensive recording equipment to get my toes in the water, but I don't even know what's considered "bare bones" in the recording world. From what I've learned you can have a DAW, an audio interface, a drum track program, mastering software, a mic, and a software for adding effects. Not sure what else a home recording studio would need, but there are probably things I've missed.

Bare bones is probably an Interface, a DAW (REAPER is cheap,Kristal Audio Engine is free), some free VSTs (explained above), and a set of headphones (good ones, not beats by dr dre). Mic's are optional unless you're recording vocals. A drum machine is worth having if you don't have a way to get drum tracks otherwise, I don't know of any VST ones for free but there's some good kits available for Hydrogen if you're willing to make them there then export them.

Quote by jhalterman
But, like I said, I'm going bare minimum to start. I know you need a DAW like Reaper (seeing as it's been mentioned so much) or something similar found here. I've not yet done research on those programs yet, though. And then there's a drum tracks program to consider. Your opinion: yay or nay? I can probably find a free, simplified version to start off with, but not something as low-end as Tux Guitar, which I've used before.

Like I mentioned above, DAWs worth looking at are REAPER if you can pay $60 (or have no soul and use the unending trial), or Kristal Audio Engine if you really need free. Drum programs the only one I know of is Hydrogen, and that has to be used externally then exported to WAV (audio files) and imported into your DAW.

Quote by jhalterman
In terms of the audio interface, I'll try to and a used Saffire 6. The only question I have concerning that is a buddy said he has the same interface, but it doesn't have a mic plug-in. I'm assuming there's more than one model because the link provided in the sticky states that the Saffire 6 (and even the Scarlett 2i4) have mic plug-ins. From there, I can either go guitar to interface to (free) digital modeling amp software or guitar to amp to mic to interface. Ideally, I want the best possible sound quality, but would that be possible with a decent mic (been recommended the SM57 or SM58), a Vox Valvetronix (hybrid amp), and a living room of an apartment? Even without any experience I'm going with "Hell no." Only thing I could think of to help would be to (don't laugh) create a cube with an open face that my amp could sit in and line the walls with that special foam liner stuff. Honestly, I would love feedback on that idea because I have no idea if it sounds absolutely ludicrous or even a little feasible.
You're friend is mixing up interfaces, the Saffire 6 definitely has XLR/Jack combo inputs, as does the Scarlett 2i4 (as do most interfaces around that price range). Although I have a friend who's got some really good results from his Valvetronix VT40+ and a SM58 (57 and 58 are identical except for the grill which does play a minor role in frequency response), I would definitely recommend going with amp simulators. It's not any more or less complicated than micing an amp, it's more flexible (even more than your modelling amp), and it's cheaper. If later on you decide that you want to mic your amp then you can do that, but I always recommend trying amp sims first because it doesn't cost you anything to do, but it might save you some cash.

Quote by jhalterman
EDIT: Almost forgot. How much does your computer's on-board sound card play a factor in this whole mess?

Nothing, at all, whatsoever. The interface essentially replaces the soundcard.


Quote by roaraudio
Just buy protools. an mbox and a good dynamic mic and a condensor. I'd suggest a sm57 for most things. sex1 and maybe an audix d6.
also. Gearslutz.com is great for these types of things.

An mbox is pretty good and cheap. However its not a mixer.

Worst, advice, ever. You just said go buy a $700 piece of software, a $300 interface, a $200 kick mic, a mic I've never heard of and can't find on MF (not even going to try googling it), and an SM57 (the only good part of your recommendation).
You just told a beginner to spend ~$1500 on gear straight away, and then told him/her to go to another forum. Then you mentioned a piece of gear that so many beginners think they need but really don't (the mixer).
#4
Quote by chatterbox272
Nothing, at all, whatsoever. The interface essentially replaces the soundcard

Epic. No one seemed to be able to answer that question for me and yet it was that simple.

I have no idea how to thank you. Usually people respond to parts of my comment that they know a decent amount about, not the whole damned thing Seriously, though. Thanks a bunch, chatterbox. And I think roaraudio wins for one of the most useless comments I've seen on UG. Sorry to hate, but chatterbox summed it up best and I even stated, explicitly, how much of a beginner I am.

I think my best bet is to get as much free recording gear as possible. If it turns out it's not for me than all I've lost is the money on a used interface and not all of the software and mics and stuff that I mentioned.

For a DAW, for now, it will be between REAPER's free trial and this Kristal Audio Engine. I'll most likely give REAPER first dibs as everyone seems to use it. The next step would be the paid ($60) version.

I'll search for a used Saffire 6 or Scarlett 2i4. I've been recommended them way too much and the price is phenomenal compared to other interfaces I've been recommended.

For a free drum program someone mentioned this guy.

And I'll forgo mics altogether. I'm sure I can find a decent, free amp simulator online.
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#5
Just want to add that you do NOT need a separate drum program if you're just starting out. Reaper comes with several drum machine plugins that will work with any samples you give it, which are easily found on the web.

Check the Resources sticky for the "Creating Drum Tracks in Reaper" tutorial. You may eventually want to upgrade, but it's perfectly acceptable for just beginners.
#6
Read everything you can find on the web.

Here's a great primer:

http://www.recordingreview.com/killerhomerecording/KHR_SettingUp.php

Other good forums to learn from:

http://forum.recordingreview.com/

http://homerecording.com/bbs/
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#7
OK, easy peasy:

- A good quality interface for DI guitar/bass
- Amplitube 3 to make the DI'd tracks sound good
- A large-diaphragm condenser mic for vocals and acoustic
- REAPER as your software (Imperial theme FTW)
- Drummix Beta for drums
- Kjaerhus Classic, Variety Of Sound, TAL and JB plugins for mixing
#8
Sub out:

Quote by kyle62
Amplitube 3 to make the DI'd tracks sound good


For free Amp Sims and you'd be set. I've never liked the sound of Amplitube
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#9
Quote by strangedogs
Read everything you can find on the web.

Here's a great primer:

http://www.recordingreview.com/killerhomerecording/KHR_SettingUp.php

Other good forums to learn from:

http://forum.recordingreview.com/

http://homerecording.com/bbs/

Sweet Jebus, so much information I love it
Quote by lockwolf
Sub out [Amplitube 3] for free Amp Sims and you'd be set. I've never liked the sound of Amplitube

Duly noted. Thank you.
Quote by kyle62
OK, easy peasy:

- A good quality interface for DI guitar/bass
- Amplitube 3 to make the DI'd tracks sound good
- A large-diaphragm condenser mic for vocals and acoustic
- REAPER as your software (Imperial theme FTW)
- Drummix Beta for drums
- Kjaerhus Classic, Variety Of Sound, TAL and JB plugins for mixing


No idea why you listed all of this info. I said "bare bones" like an audio interface, DAW, and amp simulator (all either free or cheap). A Saffire 6 or Scarlett 2i4 sound perfect (if I can learn to bid on eBay...) along with REAPER and whatever free amp simulator I find. I said no mics and I don't even know what "mixing" is.
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#10
Well I think Drummix Beta is free and I thus I think the plugs might be free too.
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#11
Quote by ChemicalFire
Well I think Drummix Beta is free and I thus I think the plugs might be free too.

I know Drummix Beta is free (unless you want to donate), but I'm not sure about the plug-ins. Either way, I've narrowed down "bare bones" to what myself and others have already mentioned (audio interface, DAW, and amp sim) and not a drumming program (at least not right away) and not anything for "mixing." Even then, with all of the recommendations both on UG and elsewhere, I only really need to look for decent amp simulator software now.

Never got to properly thank you for the sticky, by the way. I believe either a Saffire 6 or Scarlett 2i4 will last me a little while if I end up liking this whole recording side to music. If so, all I have to do is just start getting the purchased versions of software such as REAPER
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#12
Quote by jhalterman
I know Drummix Beta is free (unless you want to donate), but I'm not sure about the plug-ins. Either way, I've narrowed down "bare bones" to what myself and others have already mentioned (audio interface, DAW, and amp sim) and not a drumming program (at least not right away) and not anything for "mixing." Even then, with all of the recommendations both on UG and elsewhere, I only really need to look for decent amp simulator software now.

The Kjaerhus Classic stuff is free, and if you want any effects on your guitars then that's probably a good place to start.
The amp sim sticky has some good free sim recommendations, what kind of music are you recording?
#13
Quote by jhalterman
Sweet Jebus, so much information I love it

Duly noted. Thank you.


No idea why you listed all of this info. I said "bare bones" like an audio interface, DAW, and amp simulator (all either free or cheap). A Saffire 6 or Scarlett 2i4 sound perfect (if I can learn to bid on eBay...) along with REAPER and whatever free amp simulator I find. I said no mics and I don't even know what "mixing" is.


Everything I posted is free.

Amplitube 3 has a free 'Custom Shop' version that's excellent, and by far the easiest amp software for a beginner to figure out.

Drummix Beta is a free virtual drum instrument. You could try Drumcore Free as well though.
#14
Quote by kyle62
Amplitube 3 has a free 'Custom Shop' version that's excellent, and by far the easiest amp software for a beginner to figure out.


Debatable. Also, the quality of LePou's or AcmeBarGig's stuff compared to Amplitube is arguably better.
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#15
Quote by chatterbox272
The Kjaerhus Classic stuff is free, and if you want any effects on your guitars then that's probably a good place to start.
The amp sim sticky has some good free sim recommendations, what kind of music are you recording?
I think I'll leave any effects out of the equation for now. In terms of the stuff I'm recording, I don't know. Hard rock, blues, classical, tiny bit of country (Brad Paisley's "Ticks" being the only modern song), heavy/trash/speed metal, some hard rock/technical metal in low tunings like B standard, etc, etc.

Totally skipped over the amp sim sticky, though. Thanks.
Quote by kyle62
Everything I posted is free.

Amplitube 3 has a free 'Custom Shop' version that's excellent, and by far the easiest amp software for a beginner to figure out.

Drummix Beta is a free virtual drum instrument. You could try Drumcore Free as well though.
Great, thanks for the info. Sorry if I seemed pushy in my last post, as well
Quote by lockwolf
Debatable. Also, the quality of LePou's or AcmeBarGig's stuff compared to Amplitube is arguably better.
I was told LePou's stuff was quite good.
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#16
Quote by jhalterman
I think I'll leave any effects out of the equation for now. In terms of the stuff I'm recording, I don't know. Hard rock, blues, classical, tiny bit of country (Brad Paisley's "Ticks" being the only modern song), heavy/trash/speed metal, some hard rock/technical metal in low tunings like B standard, etc, etc.


So you're telling me you're not going to EQ or compress anything?

You need effects to mix. Not all effects are putting crazy sounding chorus on everything.
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#17
Quote by ChemicalFire
So you're telling me you're not going to EQ or compress anything?

You need effects to mix. Not all effects are putting crazy sounding chorus on everything.


Honest answer? Yes I want to hear what all of this sounds like before I do anything to it at all. I think it would be as simple as hooking up my guitar to my audio interface and using the amp simulator, no? Might not sound pretty, but I still want to hear what "not pretty" sounds like

Plus, this will help immensely in terms of "ear training" as I've never monkeyed with compression or an EQ before. I know compression lowers the peaks and raises the troughs in the signal and I think EQ just messes with the treble, mids, and bass of certain instruments (or even the track as a whole). Still want to know what different styles of music sound like with just a dry signal with only an amp sim to tweak.
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#18
Well EQ and compression is a must if you're going to record more than just a few guitar licks.

It's not too hard at all.
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#19
Quote by ChemicalFire
Well EQ and compression is a must if you're going to record more than just a few guitar licks.

It's not too hard at all.


I'll get the hang of it

Also, the Scarlett 2i2 seems to be a bit cheaper and I don't have to bid on it (which is annoying as hell). I know the 2i4 has been recommended, but is there that much of a difference? I tried comparing the specs, but I don't know what's what
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#20
The 2i2 has no pad. Which makes effectively using it for DI'd guitars extremely difficult.
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#21
Quote by lockwolf
Debatable. Also, the quality of LePou's or AcmeBarGig's stuff compared to Amplitube is arguably better.

Oh, I agree that the quality is better... Amplitube is great but give me LePou, TSE or Preampus/AcmeBarGig any day in a real mix.
However, for someone who's new to the world of recording it's a little daunting to have to open up your amp, then a suitable impulse loader, then download a load of IRs and find the one you like.


Actually, I'd say the simplest guitar VST is Kuassa Amplifikation Free . Sounds phenomenal and has a built in cabinet model as well as an IR loader.


As for interfaces, check out the Akai EIE Pro. 4 simultaneous inputs, VU meters, midi interface, USB hub and inserts for a similar price to the Focisrite stuff.
#22
Wow you guys are the best support crew on the planet.. Hats off to you for helping jhalterman so well. I guess if we are hiring support people I kow where to go..

Really good job guys...
#23
Quote by JohnnyMcFly
Wow you guys are the best support crew on the planet.. Hats off to you for helping jhalterman so well. I guess if we are hiring support people I kow where to go..

Really good job guys...
Well, keep making awesome stuff and you'll get all the support and word-of-mouth marketing you could ever need.


Seriously, I was doing a mix with DI'd guitars the other day and nothing would sit right in the mix - until I tried Dick Head with the Redwirez 1960a. Keep up the awesome work.
#24
Dick Head... interesting..
Have you check'd out head case yet? I have a Dick head for head case coming soon.. Actually the whole line will be coming..

Anyways thanks for the compliment too..
#25
Quote by JohnnyMcFly
Wow you guys are the best support crew on the planet.. Hats off to you for helping jhalterman so well. I guess if we are hiring support people I kow where to go..

Really good job guys...


The most I could gather was that you are a software engineer. What program is yours that was recommended to me?

Also, I seem to have a bit of a problem. I traded in my DigiTech Harmony Man for a used Saffire 6 (huge mistake, 'trading in gear' lesson learned) and it's supposed to come with an installer CD and a USB cable. The other stuff I can do without (Xcite+ Pack DVD, rubber feet, etc), but it appears I need a USB 1.1 to 2.0 converter (I think USB 2.0 is the norm now, anyway); I'm assuming that's what the Saffire 6 comes with, anyway. I'm pretty sure the installer CD's contents are under "Downloads" on the Saffire 6 page, but I'm not 100% sure.

I should be able to figure out the other stuff once I download REAPER. Again, thanks for all the help, guys. I'm looking forward to using this next week!
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#26
Quote by jhalterman
Also, I seem to have a bit of a problem. I traded in my DigiTech Harmony Man for a used Saffire 6 (huge mistake, 'trading in gear' lesson learned) and it's supposed to come with an installer CD and a USB cable.


Jeez, you should have gotten 2 saffires for the HarmonyMan. Just saying :p

Also, to answer your original question, Headcase. An amazingly priced Amp Sim Suite that's miles better than most sims out there
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#27
Quote by jhalterman
The most I could gather was that you are a software engineer. What program is yours that was recommended to me?


Acme Bar Gig's "Head Case" amp simulators.

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#28
Quote by lockwolf
Jeez, you should have gotten 2 saffires for the HarmonyMan. Just saying :p

Also, to answer your original question, Headcase. An amazingly priced Amp Sim Suite that's miles better than most sims out there


Yea, that's what I get for being impatient and wanting a Saffire 6 immediately. Sometimes I hate myself

Thanks for answering the software question, though. Couldn't figure out what program he helped create (or even created on his own).
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#29
Quote by jhalterman
The most I could gather was that you are a software engineer. What program is yours that was recommended to me?

In 2008 I decided to build a recording studio. I started looking around for software and
was absolutely shocked by the prices, the arogancy of the companies, and the utter lack of support. So I thought, they can GF themselves.. I'll just build my own and then give it away! How friggin hard can it be? I've been in software development for 20 years. Man was I stupid! it was about 3 months before I had anything that worked the way I wanted it to .. Anyways, since then I have built...

Suites
DIG 1.02
DIG 1.03
DIG 1.06
DIG 2.0
Shred 1.01
Shred 1.06
Shred 1.09
Shred 1.5x
Gestalt 1.0
Guts and Snap 1.01
Head Case 1.01
Head Case 1.54

Cab Sims
Cab Enhancer 1.04
Cab Enhancer 1.09
iFace for Redwires 1.03
iFace for Redwires 1.6
Mimic Cabs 1.02
Mimic Cabs 1.6
Filter Cabs 1.05
Filter Cabs 1.6
Sixteen Cabs
Cab EQ

Effects
Cyan Ghetto Bass
Riesen Harmonifier
DIG Delay
After Shock Delay 1, and 2
Paiz Wave Charger
ABG DR01
The Crotchless Wonder Girdle
Naus Filter ver 1 through 3
Retro Chorus
Mountain Reverb
Ping Pong
Trance Gate Tremolo
Stereo Trance Gate Tremolo
Shiver Tremolo
Hawk Tui Flanger
Gonad Delay
Skull Driver
Lainee's Third Wish Chorus
Redshift Pickup Replacer

Single Heads
Skull Job
MahaKali
Shred
Supersound 1972, 1975, and 1976)
Quarter 1 and 2
Enthalpos Median
Marvel
Preampus Brain 1, 2, and 2-1.5
Preampus Distortus
Preampus Dick Head 1 and 1.5
Preampus Knuckle Head 1 and 1.5
Preampus Pecker Head 1 and 1.5
Preampus Meat Head 1
Preampus Beat Head 1.5
Preampus Tamla Head 1 and 1.5
Preampus Gimme Head 1 and 1.5
Preampus Razor 1 and 1.5
Preampus Series 60 1 and 1.5
Preampus C-15 1 and 1.5
Preampus ISX 1 and 1.5
Preampus Catharsis 1 and 1.5
Whisper
Whisper Tube

(I might have missed some and this list does not include experimental or beta plugs)

I was asked the other day for a list of the stuff I did, or was involved in so I used this as an excuse to try and remember it haha. Now having said that, lets give credit where its due. I don't want anyone to think I did all that by myself, there was some other very talented people who helped immensely. Dave Clark, Amit Talwar, and Manwel Sitoy to name the primaries. There was other developers involved indirectly as well. Without these people's help that list would not look like that ...

Our latest release is head case though..
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#30
Wow. This thread rocks!

I was gonna start a whole thread about what audio interface I should get for what I want to record (heavy metal: already have 2 great amps and cabs), but this helps tremendously.

I was just looking at the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 USB Audio Interface, along with Reaper and probably SD2.0 for drums.
#31
Quote by bdof
I was just looking at the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 USB Audio Interface, along with Reaper and probably SD2.0 for drums.

My friend just bought a 2i4 and he loves it..
#32
Quote by bdof
Wow. This thread rocks!

I was gonna start a whole thread about what audio interface I should get for what I want to record (heavy metal: already have 2 great amps and cabs), but this helps tremendously.

I was just looking at the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 USB Audio Interface, along with Reaper and probably SD2.0 for drums.


I'm just grateful that these knowledgeable UGers put up with my annoying amount of questions Every time someone answered a question two more popped into my head, lol. Plus, thanks to my thread, I'm now sitting pretty with a Saffire 6 and waiting for Guitar Center to have a sale on headphones so I can buy a pair of Audio-Technica's ATH-M35. All I need is a baritone and life would be grand!
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#34
Quote by Addison1993
An mbox is pretty good and cheap.

He's probably bought something by now.

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