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#1
Hello.

As you can read in the title, I have long and very fat fingers... This is due to some genetic problem called 'hand hyperketarosis'.

I have a Stratocaster but it's very difficult to play. I know some of you guys will tell me to man up and play but I tell you it's not easy and I know that I will have problems with smaller frets in the future.

Can you guys give me names of guitar models with large string spacing and a wide neck that I could buy that is affordable?

Thank you!
#4
With a commercial guitar, you're probably best off with some kind of baritone and/or 7 or 8 string guitar. The first will get you more space lengthwise, the latter gets you width.

However, if you go custom, you could probably get a luthier to make you an extended-scale guitar with a neck suited for an 8 string...but with only 6 strings.
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#5
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I know some of you guys will tell me to man up and play but I tell you it's not easy...

Some may be trolls, or even asshats, but not to that extent.

I wonder if you could string an 8 string neck like a six, just skip every other tuner. Someone else might be able to test it.`If all else fails maybe try a bass?
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First off, how long have you been playing? New players often say things like "my fingers are too short/long" when they really just haven't given enough time and really got comfortable.

Secondly, do you want a longer scale length as well? There are baritone guitars out there, but I'm not sure what is their fretboard width.

Lastly, if you are willing to pony up and pay a luthier to make a new neck, you can fit a longer neck on a strat, and fortunately, strat necks are like the easiest necks to make. A good luthier should have no problem making a neck with a 2" wide nut and scale length conversion that will fit on a strat body.
#7
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With a comkmercial guitar, you're probably best off with some kind of baritone and/or 7 or 8 string guitar. The first will get you more space lengthwise, the latter gets you width.

However, if you go custom, you could probably get a luthier to make you an extended-scale guitar with a neck suited for an 8 string...but with only 6 strings.


Yeah well I don't think that getting a 7/8/over 9000 strings guitar will change something to the string spacing (or am I wrong?).

Good idea but won't be cheap..

There must be a guitar model with larger string spacing!


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If all else fails maybe try a bass?


Well I always liked guitar better than bass but yeah.


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First off, how long have you been playing? New players often say things like "my fingers are too short/long" when they really just haven't given enough time and really got comfortable.

Secondly, do you want a longer scale length as well? There are baritone guitars out there, but I'm not sure what is their fretboard width.

Lastly, if you are willing to pony up and pay a luthier to make a new neck, you can fit a longer neck on a strat, and fortunately, strat necks are like the easiest necks to make. A good luthier should have no problem making a neck with a 2" wide nut and scale length conversion that will fit on a strat body.


1. I am a new player but I tell you that when I press on a string with 3rd and 4rd finger well it touches any other strings near. It's that bad.

2. No idea, I'm new to all this stuff, but I guess it would help later.

3. Good idea but won't be cheap...
#8
Give it a little while OP, but if you've got an actual diagnosed medical condition, you may have to actually find a new guitar. Look at Ibanez, their necks are pretty wide, but they're thin as well. They also have a lot of Strat-style double cutaway bodies, so it won't be a huge change there.

Try some at a shop, if they don't work, the luthier neck may be your best option. :\
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Yeah well I don't think that getting a 7/8/over 9000 strings guitar will change something to the string spacing (or am I wrong?).

Good idea but won't be cheap..

There must be a guitar model with larger string spacing!


Well I always liked guitar better than bass but yeah.


1. I am a new player but I tell you that when I press on a string with 3rd and 4rd finger well it touches any other strings near. It's that bad.

2. No idea, I'm new to all this stuff, but I guess it would help later.

3. Good idea but won't be cheap...

I think everybody with normal sized fingers did #1 too. At least most people i know.
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Some may be trolls, or even asshats, but not to that extent.

I wonder if you could string an 8 string neck like a six, just skip every other tuner. Someone else might be able to test it.`If all else fails maybe try a bass?


How would you even string a 6 string onto an 8 neck by just skipping every other tuner? a 9 string yeah. But not an 8.
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How would you even string a 6 string onto an 8 neck by just skipping every other tuner? a 9 string yeah. But not an 8.

Umm.... You'd need an 11 string to do this....
#12
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3. Good idea but won't be cheap...

I don't know, a strat neck is super easy to make. You should check that out before dismissing the idea.

Also, what are you willing to spend? Where are you located?
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#13
Sorry guys I don't have a Stratocaster. It's a Yamaha Pacifica. This:



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I don't know, a strat neck is super easy to make. You should check that out before dismissing the idea.

Also, what are you willing to spend? Where are you located?


I am located in Montreal, Canada.

I would spend $300 max or I'll just sell everything and buy something else lol.
#14
Yeah well I don't think that getting a 7/8/over 9000 strings guitar will change something to the string spacing (or am I wrong?). Good idea but won't be cheap.. There must be a guitar model with larger string spacing!


That's what I'm saying: all baritones add length, but if you also need a broader fretboard, only 7+ strings have appreciably wider necks unless you go custom.

But don't let the word "custom" scare you too much. There are American luthiers whose standard prices start right at $1000, and brands like Carvin may be able to help you out slightly more cheaply- maybe $750- you'll just have to drop them an email.

The only real modification you're asking for is an 8- or 12-string's neck width made into a 6 string.

As I see it, there are a few issues involved. The body join might just need a little extra widening. Getting the nut properly slotted will be important. The tricky bits might be the bridge & pickups.
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Umm.... You'd need an 11 string to do this....


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I only thought it out to 5 strings..lol
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#16
There ARE some inexpensive 9, 10, etc. guitars from Agile, though, right?

I know there's this one: http://www.rondomusic.com/septorpro1030lg.html
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#17
I'm guessing your yamaha has a 1 5/8 nut(4mm i think)?

You might be able to find an electric with a 1 3/4" nut, maybe a PRS SE or Godin. Whether or not that is wide enough is a different story. Like someone else said, go to a music store and try out some guitars.
#18
I've seen somewhere on these forums that it would be possible to buy a Warmoth Superwide neck and install it, would it be possible on my guitar?

If it's possible, what would be the other steps? I'm a total noob at this.

Thanks, you guys are really helping.
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I've seen somewhere on these forums that it would be possible to buy a Warmoth Superwide neck and install it, would it be possible on my guitar?

If it's possible, what would be the other steps? I'm a total noob at this.

Thanks, you guys are really helping.

The superwide neck is supposed to be a direct swap for a regular neck. Sounds like a good idea to me, I didn't know warmoth even made those. But I suggest that you find out how well a Yamaha pacifica body accepts a Fender strat neck before ordering one. If it's a direct swap, then I'd imagine that the Warmoth neck would work as well.

Also, this doesn't increase the scale length, which sounds like something that you might benefit from. Just depends on how often you use the high frets.
#20
Take a serious look at the Ibanez RGD line. Ibanez guitars have a wider fretboard than most guitars (43mm instead of 42mm), and the RGD line has a longer scale (26.5" instead of 25.5" or 24.75"), so the fretboard will have wider spacing in between the strings, and the frets themselves will be farther apart.
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#21
My first guitar was a Pacifica just like that. I went to an Epiphone Les Paul after that and found the strings too far apart, so I sold it! I have fairly short fingers.

So, maybe you need not look any further than a Les Paul of some sort? definately wider than the Pacifica of which I have experience.

Hope you find one that works for you. I settled on a fender Mustang - definately not what you want!

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My first guitar was a Pacifica just like that. I went to an Epiphone Les Paul after that and found the strings too far apart, so I sold it! I have fairly short fingers.

So, maybe you need not look any further than a Les Paul of some sort? definately wider than the Pacifica of which I have experience.

Hope you find one that works for you. I settled on a fender Mustang - definately not what you want!

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Yeah, I have a LP and a couple of Strats, the strings of the LPs are definitely further apart.

Without seeing the OP's fingers, I can't say if it'll be enough, but then there's always a good reason to head to a guitar store and start playing. Unless it's someplace like the one in Memphis which told me not to touch the guitars when I first walked in the door.

You could also consider a 12 string, just use 6 strings. You might want to check if that will be fine for the guitar, since I know the necks are designed around the extra tension of the 12 strings. But I remember watching a guy play who did just that; took a 12 string, and strung only 6. Bluegrass player at a festival.
#23
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1. I am a new player but I tell you that when I press on a string with 3rd and 4rd finger well it touches any other strings near. It's that bad.

2. No idea, I'm new to all this stuff, but I guess it would help later.

3. Good idea but won't be cheap...

To be brutally honest what you're describing is normal and something experienced players make great use of for muting purposes. I really don't think there's anything wrong with your hands at all, it sounds like you're worrying overly about it simply because you're finding out that learning guitar is simply a lot harder at first than you thought it would be.

It's common for newbies to fixate on something physical that would explain away he difficulties they're having when the truth is, it's NOT that easy, certainly not in the first few months.

there's unlikely to be anything physically wrong with you that prevents you from learning to play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgTdVuGrAQ

likewise phyiscal size in relation to the instrument is unlikely to be any kind of barrier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyQGn6E3Lcg

you're learning a new skill and you're not very good at it yet, that's most likely all there is to it
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As you can read in the title, I have long and very fat fingers... This is due to some genetic problem called 'hand hyperketarosis'.


I do not believe that the size and shape of your hands is related to a skin disease (that you can't even spell by the way).

Suck it up and practice, you just suck and there's nothing wrong with that. There's only something wrong with sucking if you do nothing about it.
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#25
I would recommend using your talent, I mean fingers to their strengths.

Go find women, show them your fingers. Profit.



Can you get a 50s neck Epiphone LP?
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I do not believe that the size and shape of your hands is related to a skin disease (that you can't even spell by the way).


I think it was a typo. According to the Internet the condition can cause skin growth and calluses, which could manifest as larger fingers?

I'd say give him the benefit of the doubt about that mate. But I would say the problem is that he needs to practice.

I have a friend who was born with another pinkie. It was cut off. Imagine his skills if he'd have kept it, anyway, because of this finger he has trouble with his normal pinkie, and the tendon that shares the ring and pinkie also shared the removed one so you can imagine that he had some trouble. He has learned to have more control over it now.

I don't think he'll be a ridiculously fast shredder but he'll be able to do well.

All I'm getting at is, he used to say "I can't do that, my finger". I told him to practice and he'd get there. I'm sure you will too, there are many people who are fat who play guitar awesomely. (I don't mean you are fat, I mean other folk who may have fat fingers)
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I don't think he'll be a ridiculously fast shredder but he'll be able to do well.


Watch the video of Rick Renstrom that Steven_Seagull posted and then we'll see what is and isn't possible.
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#30
While I think some of his issue is definitely that he's still new and getting comfortable, if he really does has abnormally large fingers, then there is nothing wrong with him wanting to get a wider guitar. I hate this argument that "if person X can do it with a disability, then you need to suck it up". It reminds me of the "starving people in Africa" argument that most people have probably heard at some point, that you shouldn't ever complain about your food because there are people starving who would love to have it. While it might be true, no one is going to eat whatever slop comes their way out of some sort of appreciation if they have other options.

That being said, I think the TS should get a guitar with a wider neck if he has legitimately fat fingers that will cause him more grief than if he had average sized fingers.
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Watch the video of Rick Renstrom that Steven_Seagull posted and then we'll see what is and isn't possible.


That's what I mean, it's totally possible. My friend was all like nah, 'I can't do that' but then he could.

Sometimes people put limitations on themselves when they should be pushing themselves as they could be surprised.

In any case, my post said that I agree with you.
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That being said, I think the TS should get a guitar with a wider neck if he has legitimately fat fingers that will cause him more grief than if he had average sized fingers.


The point is, however, that his fingers aren't what's holding him back. At all. The only thing that's actually holding TS back is that he's a newb and he sucks. All that he actually needs to improve is practice.

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I know, I just like pointing out that video, posting it in threads like this is usually my trick!


It's a good video!

Are there 50s neck Epi LPs? Google didn't give me as much info as I hoped it would.
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The point is, however, that his fingers aren't what's holding him back. At all. The only thing that's actually holding TS back is that he's a newb and he sucks. All that he actually needs to improve is practice.

Are you operating under the assumption that his fingers aren't actually fat? Let's say that his fingers are fat, and they are actually making learning more difficult. While he may be able to overcome this in time, to expect him to do so just because others have is ridiculous. If he has the ability to get a guitar that will compensate his fingers and make learning easier, why shouldn't he?

I can see where you're coming from. I don't want to encourage him to make excuses or not learn correctly, but if he has a legitimate disorder and there are guitars available that will compensate for his disorder, then it's no one's place to tell him not to tell him not to get one of those guitars. And I don't know about anyone else here, but when I learned the guitar it was incredibly frustrating without any disorders that would make learning more difficult. I would never suggest a beginner do things the hard way when they don't have to.
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Are you operating under the assumption that his fingers aren't actually fat? Let's say that his fingers are fat, and they are actually making learning more difficult. While he may be able to overcome this in time, to expect him to do so just because others have is ridiculous. If he has the ability to get a guitar that will compensate his fingers and make learning easier, why shouldn't he?


He'd have to have seriously fat fingers for it to actually be what's holding him back. Like the size of a decent peperoni sausage large. Unless he's actually fretting two strings at once even when taking all the time needed to fret accurately then it's really not the problem.

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I can see where you're coming from. I don't want to encourage him to make excuses or not learn correctly, but if he has a legitimate disorder and there are guitars available that will compensate for his disorder, then it's no one's place to tell him not to tell him not to get one of those guitars. And I don't know about anyone else here, but when I learned the guitar it was incredibly frustrating without any disorders that would make learning more difficult. I would never suggest a beginner do things the hard way when they don't have to.


Neither would I... but unless, as I said above, his fingers are enormous there is no easy way. Either keep it up and practice or quit.
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He'd have to have seriously fat fingers for it to actually be what's holding him back. Like the size of a decent peperoni sausage large. Unless he's actually fretting two strings at once even when taking all the time needed to fret accurately then it's really not the problem.


Neither would I... but unless, as I said above, his fingers are enormous there is no easy way. Either keep it up and practice or quit.

hmmm....perhaps we can convince him to post a picture of his hand?

Do it, TS!
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I was going to ask the exact same thing. PICS!
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#38
Alright, these are the pictures. As you will see, I have extra-large hands.

http://imgur.com/a/Le1X6

My disease is called "keratosis palmoplantaris". If you search on Google Images, you will see people with green marks or something. I don't have that but my palms and fingers are still thickened. The tips of my fingers are very round with more flesh than more people.

"Group of mostly hereditary disorders characterized by thickening of the palms and soles as a result of excessive keratin formation leading to hypertrophy of the stratum corneum (hyperkeratosis)."

Is that enough?
#39
Yep, it's plenty enough for me to know it's just because you suck. Stop blaming your body and get to work.
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Alright, these are the pictures. As you will see, I have extra-large hands.

http://imgur.com/a/Le1X6

My disease is called "keratosis palmoplantaris". If you search on Google Images, you will see people with green marks or something. I don't have that but my palms and fingers are still thickened. The tips of my fingers are very round with more flesh than more people.

"Group of mostly hereditary disorders characterized by thickening of the palms and soles as a result of excessive keratin formation leading to hypertrophy of the stratum corneum (hyperkeratosis)."

Is that enough?

I was seriously expecting to see some huge, gnarled fingers, but your hands look normal. They look like mine. In fact, I even held a CD in my hand to compare, and my hands are even bigger.

Sorry man, you should probably drop this pursuit of a wider neck and keep practicing until this isn't an issue for you anymore. Work past this, and later on try out some other guitars with wider necks and see how they feel. But until you get to that point, stick with what you have because there is no easy way out, only lots of dedication and hard work.
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