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jfben4
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I grabbed this guitar off Craigslist for $20.00. I thought it was neat. Worst case I can use it as art... Can someone help me ID it? It does not have a name on the head but looks like it has a J on the bottom? I'm not sure. The back says it was made in Japan.

Photos are below.




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I'm not an expert, but that could be an I on the bridge piece. Possibly an old Ibanez
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Yeah, that's an Ibanez. Couldn't tell you anything else about it though.
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It's a lawsuit-era Ibanez. All I could find was an eBay auction for a similar guitar.
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Well I guess I did okay on the $20.00.
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I would get rid of the zero fret and have a new nut made, I am not a fan of the Zero fret to me it means "we suck at fret boards"


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That's the coolest Ibanez I think I've ever seen. Enjoy.
Can you see anything inside the f holes?
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The pickups do not seem to be working... I'm SURE it will be fun trying to diagnose the problem.
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Just so you know, if you do remove the pots to check or even to rewire it. Tie fishing-line/string on each of the shafts so you can easily pull them back trough the holes
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"we suck at fret boards"

Why would you think that?
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Why would you think that?

Well not that "we suck", but more of a "we don't want to spend the time to do it right"
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That's the coolest Ibanez I think I've ever seen. Enjoy.
Can you see anything inside the f holes?



Yeah it looks like 30 years of dust accumulation. I see the wires for the pots and pickups.

I can also see a pick guard was once installed. Any chance I can still find a pick guard for this old girl?
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Thats bad ass dude. I guess everyones interested in potential value, but its a Japanese Ibanez, so hows it play? I imagine fairly decent. Definitely better than $20 I assume
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Quote by nickdohle
Thats bad ass dude. I guess everyones interested in potential value, but its a Japanese Ibanez, so hows it play? I imagine fairly decent. Definitely better than $20 I assume



I would say it definitely plays better than $20.00 but it does need a better set up than I can provide. I have never messed with a hollow body like this before!

I am only interested in potential value because it reassures me that I made the right decision to buy it. Even if $20.00 is not a lot of money... no one likes the feeling of realizing you just bought a piece of crap that I will have to pay someone to haul away.
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Why would you think that?


Because it means that the nut doesn't have to be exactly (or even closely) near the right height to play it properly.
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Ifi lived close by, Id give you 40 right now if that reassures you haha.. what can I say, I'm a sucker for a good clean "f" hole
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Quote by Robbgnarly
Well not that "we suck", but more of a "we don't want to spend the time to do it right"

Just the same way that a Les Paul guy might call Fender lazy or cheap for using a bolt-on neck? There is no "right", only different.
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Because it means that the nut doesn't have to be exactly (or even closely) near the right height to play it properly.

You have no idea what you're talking about. By your logic, every fret except for the nut is wrong.
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Just the same way that a Les Paul guy might call Fender lazy or cheap for using a bolt-on neck? There is no "right", only different.

You have no idea what you're talking about. By your logic, every fret except for the nut is wrong.


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Point proven. You don't know what you're talking about, otherwise you would have proven me wrong, no?
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Using a Zero Fret means that the nut is only used for string spacing and the string height is set by the zero fret. This means that the nut slot and the string slots can be cut to any depth, and no cuts for or on the nut have to be accurately measured. Do a google search next time.
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Using a Zero Fret means that the nut is only used for string spacing and the string height is set by the zero fret. This means that the nut slot and the string slots can be cut to any depth, and no cuts for or on the nut have to be accurately measured. Do a google search next time.

What does a nut slot have to do with it? The nut only serves to set the string spacing, but other than that it serve no purpose. You don't need to accurately measure the nut slots because they only need to be deep enough so the string doesn't rest on the nut.

What exactly is your point? It sounds like you are trying to create a problem with zero frets that doesn't actually exist.
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What does a nut slot have to do with it? The nut only serves to set the string spacing, but other than that it serve no purpose. You don't need to accurately measure the nut slots because they only need to be deep enough so the string doesn't rest on the nut.

What exactly is your point? It sounds like you are trying to create a problem with zero frets that doesn't actually exist.


...

Oh, you. You had me going there for a couple of posts. But this part gave it away.

8/10, would be trolled again.
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Oh, you. You had me going there for a couple of posts. But this part gave it away.

8/10, would be trolled again.

I'm not trolling you. Please explain your point better, or admit that you're talking out of your ass.
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I'm not trolling you. Please explain your point better, or admit that you're talking out of your ass.


Wait, you seriously don't believe that the height of your guitar's nut doesn't matter?
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Wait, you seriously don't believe that the height of your guitar's nut doesn't matter?

Yes, when a zero fret is in place, the nut height(the string guide) only needs to be low enough so that the string does not rest upon it.

And it's not my belief, that's how a zero fret is done.
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Yes, when a zero fret is in place, the nut height(the string guide) only needs to be low enough so that the string does not rest upon it.

And it's not my belief, that's how a zero fret is done.


Zero frets are not done like normal frets, the Zero fret is higher than normal frets and the nut, like so:



Because of this, the string slots and the nut itself can be cut to any height as long as they're spaced properly.
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Zero frets are not done like normal frets, the Zero fret is higher than normal frets and the nut, like so:



Because of this, the string slots and the nut itself can be cut to any height as long as they're spaced properly.

First off, a zero fret isn't higher than the other frets, unless it's done that way intentionally. People can't seem to wrap their mind around this concept, but it's no different that putting a capo on the guitar, or doing a barre chord.

Secondly, the string slots in the nut need to be lower than the zero fret(as you said). I'm not denying that. But the idea way is to have it so low that the string doesn't sit on the nut at all. No contact with the nut means not possibility of binding. The setup in that pic will work, but it's not ideal(assuming that the string is actually sitting on the nut at some point, it's hard to tell with any certainty).
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Quote by W4RP1G
First off, a zero fret isn't higher than the other frets, unless it's done that way intentionally. People can't seem to wrap their mind around this concept, but it's no different that putting a capo on the guitar, or doing a barre chord.

Secondly, the string slots in the nut need to be lower than the zero fret(as you said). I'm not denying that. But the idea way is to have it so low that the string doesn't sit on the nut at all. No contact with the nut means not possibility of binding. The setup in that pic will work, but it's not ideal(assuming that the string is actually sitting on the nut at some point, it's hard to tell with any certainty).


Dude, you're the one who has no idea what they're talking about. The zero fret is used as an easy way to set string height. "The setup in the pic is not ideal." As opposed to what other way a zero fret is setup? The setup in the pic is how zero frets are set up. I'm done arguing about this, you're obviously the one who's talking out of their ass. I know I'm right and if you don't want to believe it, then fuck it. You can just be ignorant alone.
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Dude, you're the one who has no idea what they're talking about. The zero fret is used as an easy way to set string height. "The setup in the pic is not ideal." As opposed to what other way a zero fret is setup? The setup in the pic is how zero frets are set up. I'm done arguing about this, you're obviously the one who's talking out of their ass. I know I'm right and if you don't want to believe it, then fuck it. You can just be ignorant alone.

The zero fret is more than an easy way to set the string height, it's also used to keep tonal consistency and to prevent binding. If the string rests on the nut, you lose one of the benefits of a zero fret, preventing binding.

Clearly this concept is above your head. Try learning how a guitar actually works instead of just reading ignorant posts on random forums and then regurgitating the same misinformation.
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Quote by W4RP1G
The zero fret is more than an easy way to set the string height, it's also used to keep tonal consistency and to prevent binding. If the string rests on the nut, you lose one of the benefits of a zero fret, preventing binding.

Clearly this concept is above your head. Try learning how a guitar actually works instead of just reading ignorant posts on random forums and then regurgitating the same misinformation.


What do you mean by binding? I've never heard that term for "open string sound".

And you're both kinda right I guess. He's just saying it could be a lazy way because instead of making the nut so that besides string spacing, you also need to file it down low enough to have good action but make sure you don't file it down too much so that it buzzes. He's referring to the fact the nut doesn't have to be worked on or cared about as much on a non zero fret guitar.
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What do you mean by binding? I've never heard that term for "open string sound".

And you're both kinda right I guess. He's just saying it could be a lazy way because instead of making the nut so that besides string spacing, you also need to file it down low enough to have good action but make sure you don't file it down too much so that it buzzes. He's referring to the fact the nut doesn't have to be worked on or cared about as much on a non zero fret guitar.

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i did not want to start a war, but my personal opinion is thet a Zero fret is the lazy way to to do it. It takes more time and effort to cut and fit a proper nut than to add another fret to do the job. I also think it makes the fret board look cheap (again just my opinion)
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What do you mean by binding? I've never heard that term for "open string sound".

And you're both kinda right I guess. He's just saying it could be a lazy way because instead of making the nut so that besides string spacing, you also need to file it down low enough to have good action but make sure you don't file it down too much so that it buzzes. He's referring to the fact the nut doesn't have to be worked on or cared about as much on a non zero fret guitar.

Binding = string catching or binding on the nut. Open string sound = the open, unfretted notes.

And I really don't care what is his opinion of the zero fret installers motivations for installing it. There are obvious benefits to installing a zero fret. Besides, his proclamation that using a zero fret is the easy way is completely unfounded. And if it were truly the easy way, we'd see them on all sorts of cheap guitars, which is obviously not the case.

There are benefits to using a zero fret. Anyone who thinks the only benefit is less work to install is seriously ignorant on the subject. But I'm not surprised there is so much confusion on this here, it rarely gets discussed and zero frets are very uncommon. I don't blame you guys for not knowing much about it, but I do urge you to keep an open mind on the matter before coming to a conclusion.

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i did not want to start a war, but my personal opinion is thet a Zero fret is the lazy way to to do it. It takes more time and effort to cut and fit a proper nut than to add another fret to do the job. I also think it makes the fret board look cheap (again just my opinion)

You can certainly have an opinion on how a zero fret looks, I can completely understand that. But as far as the install time is concerned, we're talking a difference of minutes here. It's not hard to cut a nut at all, so saying that cutting a nut is the harder way isn't really saying much to begin with.
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This kind of reminds me of the headless guitar debate. There are obvious benefits to choosing a headless guitar, which is why some people prefer them. But the majority of people can't get past how they look or tradition enough to give them a chance.
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#37
This is a bit funny, a bit sad...

You guys are talking across each other, rather than to each other.

You're both right, and both wrong, since you're talking about two different things.

A zero fret is an 'easier' option than accurately cutting a nut slot to the correct height.

Point to kangaxxter.

But a zero fret does have an advantage as well, in that if you use the nut to ONLY set string spacing (by deliberately cutting it deep enough that the strings do no touch it at the bottom) you greatly reduce the chance of the string binding in the nut.

Point to W4RP1G

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#38
you are all forgetting the key thing, its personal opinion, some people might prefer it. no point arguing about something when neither of you are gonna win.
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Quote by Arby911
This is a bit funny, a bit sad...

You guys are talking across each other, rather than to each other.

You're both right, and both wrong, since you're talking about two different things.

A zero fret is an 'easier' option than accurately cutting a nut slot to the correct height.

Point to kangaxxter.

But a zero fret does have an advantage as well, in that if you use the nut to ONLY set string spacing (by deliberately cutting it deep enough that the strings do no touch it at the bottom) you greatly reduce the chance of the string binding in the nut.

Point to W4RP1G

FFS!
This isn't a competition. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it and bow out. But I am not wrong, and I'm trying to spread the correct information about zero frets. And I'm also try to do something about this attitude that whichever method is more difficult is the better method. If there was any truth to that, then the best guitars would have set necks, carved tops, hollow bodies, laminate necks, advanced wiring configs, ect..

To put it in a way that I'm sure everyone here can relate to, saying a zero fret is the lazy way to do it, therefore not as good, is like saying a bolt-on neck is lazy and not as good as a set neck because the method is less difficult.

And ilikekfc is 100% right, it all comes down to preference in the end.
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Just the same way that a Les Paul guy might call Fender lazy or cheap for using a bolt-on neck? There is no "right", only different.

You have no idea what you're talking about. By your logic, every fret except for the nut is wrong.

I'm sorry, but this is pure BS.