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Its time, bring on the first Mixoff of 2013!

What is it? Just expand the Spoiler:

In the spirit of the New Year, let us enter into a year of new beginnings & try something new in this forum.

So, what is it?

The BWMO is an every other week (as of right now, it may change based on popularity) chance to mix some raw sessions & compare them to your fellow forum members.
You'll be given a link to a session to download, you'll have one week to mix and post it to a streamable source (Soundcloud, Dropbox, Youtube, UG, ect) so we can listen to it.
This way, fellow UGers can give feedback on your mix & we can see who can mix the best.

Why should I participate?

This is just a great way to learn to mix better, learn different techniques & get feedback on your mixing. Also, since we're not mixing the same style all the time, you'll learn to mix different genres of music.

Are there any rules?

There are a few small rules, nothing too major but:

1. Please use a limiter on your mixes, not only will it help your mix but we don't want to listen to a bunch of tracks that keep clipping.
2. No recording extra parts. If you're a professional mix engineer, you're not going to be adding parts to songs.
3. As of right now, there are 3 plugins/virtual instruments (if MIDI drums are needed) that are very frowned upon:
1. EZMix, this is a mixing contest, not a "slap presets everywhere to make it sound mixed" contest.
2. Waves Artist Signature Series Bundles, same reason EZMix is frowned upon (Note: To avoid confusion, its these bundles, not the CLA Classic Compressors or JJP Analog Collection)
3. Steven Slate Drums Chris Lord-Alge Expansion, it just makes mixing drums too easy
4. Have fun. Sure, there is the desire to want to have the best mix but there are no prizes, just internet bragging rights.

Hey, I'd like to submit my session to be mixed, can we do that?

Totally, just send Lockwolf a PM and we can work something out.

Mix on


This first mixoff comes from Kyle62. This is a band he recently recorded named Worm.

Original Mix: http://www.soundcloud.com/facemeltstudio/wallpaper
Downloadable Stems: http://rightontime.vilayer.me/music/stems/WORM%20STEMS.zip

Finish by January 17th to be elegible to be crowned this weeks winner!

Mix on!
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Awesome. If people want, I can get the band to have a listen to the each entry and give everyone feedback, help decide the winner.

USEFUL STUFF:
  • Bear in mind this was a low-budget demo by a fairly young, inexperienced band - the timing is a little loose and there's some sketchy bits. Whether you correct them or embrace them is up to you!
  • It's a full recording - you won't need any specialist guitar plugins or drum software, just a DAW and some ears!
  • I've included direct outputs from the guitar amps so you can mess around with cabinet emulation if you fancy it.
  • The band's main influences are Sonic Youth, Muse, Foo Fighters etc as well as classic rock. A warm, chunky, alt-rock sound is probably more their thing than metal-style precision.



Look forward to hearing everyone kick the crap out of my mix. I might make a fresh start on it and enter as well
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As far as the CLA stuff? I tend to use some of the instruments mixed in with other SSD drums. Is that better than just shoving a preset on there?
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Yay I was worried this wasn't going to get off the ground. Why oh why does it have to be almost midnight here, and I'm going to be out until 10 tomorrow I'm going to have to wait until Friday.
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I've never seen those CLA plugs before. They do look a bit 'mixing by numbers' don't they?


I'm in reference to the CLA pack for Steven Slate Drums The presets require next to no work to get them to sound good.
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I didn't know about this kind of stuff, even if I lose it'll be fun to try.

BTW the original mix looks crazy loud, in a bad way.
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What's the bpm? Just for reference.

Man you weren't kidding about that timing and I'm rather interested in some of these instrumentation choices... ie the 3 guitars parts and the random harmonics...

Think I'm gonna fake a double take with guitar 1 and mix that in too.
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Cool idea. I may or may not participate. Very busy with my orchestra sequence and sample libraries.

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Quote by ChemicalFire
As far as the CLA stuff? I tend to use some of the instruments mixed in with other SSD drums. Is that better than just shoving a preset on there?


As long as its not a straight CLA replacement, I'm okay with it. Its way too easy to shove the CLA drums on something and call it good.

I've never seen those CLA plugs before. They do look a bit 'mixing by numbers' don't they?


They're interesting to say the least. There are more than the CLA ones (like the Eddie Kramer one is amazing as well. Great if you're looking for that Hendrix or Zeppelin style mixing quickly)

Also, I'd love to get feedback from the original band on my mix. If they love mine, they can use it as long as they give me credit :p
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In the end I'm going with 0 replacement, though the kick could possibly use some.
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I didn't know about this kind of stuff, even if I lose it'll be fun to try.

BTW the original mix looks crazy loud, in a bad way.

Generally I master conservatively using the K-system but there's not much in the way of dynamics in the track itself, and the band have a 'loud as hell' vibe, so I just smashed it with a limiter. It's at a pretty standard level for commercial rock (about -9dB average I think), but the lack of dynamics make the waveform look comically flat!

Not a clue about the BPM, sorry. I didn't think the harmonics were out of time at all though, I'll check it now. It's a weird syncopated rhythm.

As for the three guitar parts, 2 and 3 are essentially the same part played with slightly different rhythms, you can use em interchangeably our just ditch one completely.
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Generally I master conservatively using the K-system but there's not much in the way of dynamics in the track itself, and the band have a 'loud as hell' vibe, so I just smashed it with a limiter. It's at a pretty standard level for commercial rock (about -9dB average I think), but the lack of dynamics make the waveform look comically flat!

Not a clue about the BPM, sorry. I didn't think the harmonics were out of time at all though, I'll check it now. It's a weird syncopated rhythm.

As for the three guitar parts, 2 and 3 are essentially the same part played with slightly different rhythms, you can use em interchangeably our just ditch one completely.

Ah, ok then. You're right, now that I look at the waveform it's kinda funny to see so flat.
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Downloading. I might do this if I can find time.

I have the Waves vocal bundle. I find it makes some vocals (a lot of vocals) sound thin, compared to using just my other compressors, EQ, etc. Other times, it is just what the doctor ordered.

Obviously, the answer here is "honesty" but if it sounds good, who is to know who used what? In the end, if CLA himself used an off-the-shelf preset from his CLA bundle from Waves, as long as it sounded great, who would know? And more to the point, who would care?

I mean, hey... if one person can get a better sound with a paint-by-numbers out of the box preset from a plugin than the next person can get with a rack full of effects processing, I'd say, have at 'em.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not moaning, "Whaaa.... I want to use my vocal bundle and the mean UG people won't let me." Fine, I'll make a note not to use it. I don't care. I'm just throwing it out there why those rules might be unnecessary if you want to make this an "if you were a real-world mix engineer" kind of scenario.

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I have a quick mix done, but it sounds too cluttered, so I'm not going to upload it xD
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They are?

You're ****ing with me right?

Was it the band that decided on that snare sound?... cuz I honestly hate it And that pedal noise made it very hard for me to do any sample replacement using the basic methods I had available.

Here the first mix I'm even a little happy with, I'm gonna come back and upload one with louder bass and some automated guitar volumes at some point when I can be assed to master it.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19504966/Audio%20Dump/MASTER2%20-%20Worms.mp3
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They are?

You're ****ing with me right?

Was it the band that decided on that snare sound?... cuz I honestly hate it And that pedal noise made it very hard for me to do any sample replacement using the basic methods I had available.

Here the first mix I'm even a little happy with, I'm gonna come back and upload one with louder bass and some automated guitar volumes at some point when I can be assed to master it.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19504966/Audio%20Dump/MASTER2%20-%20Worms.mp3
Yeah, It's Superior triggered by my electric kit

I'm on my phone now but looking forward to hearing your mix, man.
Snare sound was mostly my decision. My tastes are generally toward big, live sounding snares....probably because I'm a massive Chad Smith fan!
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I like a nice thick snare sound. I found that adding the snare wires in made it sound too trashy and the top was too well... I dunno. Like hitting a block of wood.
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Were the "Dry" guitar tracks meant to be DIs, or just the amp without a cab? Cause DIs would've been great, I wanted to try reamping this through my Kemper

The right and left guitars are recorded at different volumes which makes it very hard to balance them both, if you don't want to compress the crap out of them and keep some dynamics. Also - The right overhead track is a stereo track instead of a mono track, and it's way louder than the left track (or at least the right crash is way louder than the left)?

There's also backing vocals in the middle of the lead guitar track


Do really like the bass in this though, sounds bitchin!
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Were the "Dry" guitar tracks meant to be DIs, or just the amp without a cab? Cause DIs would've been great, I wanted to try reamping this through my Kemper

The right and left guitars are recorded at different volumes which makes it very hard to balance them both, if you don't want to compress the crap out of them and keep some dynamics. Also - The right overhead track is a stereo track instead of a mono track, and it's way louder than the left track (or at least the right crash is way louder than the left)?

There's also backing vocals in the middle of the lead guitar track


Do really like the bass in this though, sounds bitchin!

Nope, they're a direct out from the back of the guitar head.

I think the right overhead is actually the stereo overhead, so I strongly recommend splitting it into two mono files and ditching the left hand side, or else just importing it and ignoring the L Overhead completely. Don't know how that one slipped past.

I don't see the big deal about the L and R guitars - just trim the gain on them? I didn't need to compress them much at all in my mix.
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Yeah, for something which had so much enthusiasm for the idea this hasn't really kicked off has it?
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Yeah, for something which had so much enthusiasm for the idea this hasn't really kicked off has it?

True. My fault for providing a shitty song, probably.

I think bi-weekly (or fortnightly, as we sensible Brits say) is too short for something as deep an involved as mixing, especially when most of us have real clients and/or jobs to be working on in the meantime. A month makes more sense.
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True. My fault for providing a shitty song, probably.

I think bi-weekly (or fortnightly, as we sensible Brits say) is too short for something as deep an involved as mixing, especially when most of us have real clients and/or jobs to be working on in the meantime. A month makes more sense.

I don't think it's a shitty song as such, but it might have been the wrong one to kick off the mixoff with. There's a fair few beginners around (e.g. me) who would have found the loose timing a little tricky. Also considering the drums were just rendered Superior tracks it would have been nice if we'd had access to the MIDI. But oh well, maybe if we keep on running them it will catch on a bit.
I think bi-weekly (or fortnightly) is fine tbh, but maybe we might get more people if we give them more time to do it. I guess seeing as it appears that lockwolf is running this then we'll see what he thinks.
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I'll second the monthly idea.

I downloaded the tracks, but was finishing up some other mixes for someone who recorded last week that "provided me with some challenges." haha

If you have a stereo file where one side is louder than the other, you can load it up into an editor (you might have to do it in a separate project) and then export it as separate right and left channels.

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I don't think it's a shitty song as such, but it might have been the wrong one to kick off the mixoff with. There's a fair few beginners around (e.g. me) who would have found the loose timing a little tricky. Also considering the drums were just rendered Superior tracks it would have been nice if we'd had access to the MIDI. But oh well, maybe if we keep on running them it will catch on a bit.
I think bi-weekly (or fortnightly) is fine tbh, but maybe we might get more people if we give them more time to do it. I guess seeing as it appears that lockwolf is running this then we'll see what he thinks.

I don't really think timing quantization, MIDI drum samples etc are the mix engineer's job though, in honesty.
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I don't really think timing quantization, MIDI drum samples etc are the mix engineer's job though, in honesty.


In the world of the one man hobby recordist/studio it doesn't matter who's job it is. You're doing everything xD

It's not so bad in this song though, as all the tracks have at least a semblance of timing with each other. Your just not gonna get a polished MUSE or Foo's level of production on it because of that.
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I think having a week to do the mix is more than enough time. Personally, if I spend too much time on a song, I start second guessing things in the mix. Hell, even at a half-hour a day, 7 days should be close to enough to get a decent mix (I know none of us are Chris Lord-Alge but he's done 3 hours professional mixes). If you allow too much time, like 2 weeks instead of one, I have the feeling we'll get more "Oh yeah, I'll do that" posts then see "Oh shit, that was due today?" shortly after the deadline. Plus, a week gives it that real world turnaround time to it. Yes, I understand that none of us do this full time & whatnot but once you get in the flow and know what to do with your mixes, a week should be no problem.

Once I decide the next mixoff, I'll run that one for a week as well and see how it goes. I think since this one is the first & people are starting to notice it, the second should be bigger.
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Hm. Speed mix time. Just finished downloading, haven't heard the song, let's do this.
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https://soundcloud.com/moving-forward/ug-recording-bi-weekly-mixoff

Hooray.

Dunno what timing issues and what not people are going on about. This was a pretty simple song to mix. The quality of the raw tracks was decent enough that no major doctoring had to be done to anything.

I think there's a third tom track missing, btw.
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I just did a session with a really mediocre band that would be a great challenge. A real "how well can I polish this turd" kind of mix off. Let me know if you want raws.

Cool idea, ITT.
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I just did a session with a really mediocre band that would be a great challenge. A real "how well can I polish this turd" kind of mix off. Let me know if you want raws.

Sweet, look forward to doing that!
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It's been another week and this has made it to the lower part of the second page. I'm guessing that means it's dead? that's a shame.