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staceap
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What do you guys think about Epiphone SG's? I'm thinking about an SG-400 or a 310 and then changing the pickups to EMG's perhaps.
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My friend has a 400 that I played a while back. Really liked it, neck was just right for my hands, and it wasn't as heavy as I had thought it would be. Damn shame he had to pawn it to help his family pay bills

I played a 310 at a shop briefly, I prefer the 400 by far. But, the 300 is good value for the money.

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G-400s are fairly solid. they make good workhorses. the stock pickups are a bit on the muddy side but if you're going to be replacing them anyway that's not really an issue.

having said that, i would recommend that you consider adding the money you'll be spending on a replacement set of pickups to your current budget for a guitar, as that might enable you to just get a better quality guitar in the first place
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G-400s are fairly solid. they make good workhorses. the stock pickups are a bit on the muddy side but if you're going to be replacing them anyway that's not really an issue.

having said that, i would recommend that you consider adding the money you'll be spending on a replacement set of pickups to your current budget for a guitar, as that might enable you to just get a better quality guitar in the first place


If I was using a SG as my main guitar, I would go for a used Gibson. The Epi pups, tuners and switches are simply not as good as Gibsons or even some other foreign made guitars.
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They made G400s with EMGs stock. Might want to look for a used one to save some cash
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Might want to check out the prophecy series, they're Epiphones with EMGs stock and are slightly better build quality I believe, probably would cost more than buying a g400 and putting the pups in yourself but worth checking out.
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Are they light like Gibson SGs?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 310 basically in the same range as the LP100 and the 400 like an LP Studio?
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Quote by LP1951
If I was using a SG as my main guitar, I would go for a used Gibson. The Epi pups, tuners and switches are simply not as good as Gibsons or even some other foreign made guitars.

My G-400 has Grover tuners stock so your information sucks. No they are not a Gibson, but my G-400 was $299 new the hard ware is completely solid as is the build. The only bad thing is the stock pickups. which is easily fixed And I own/have owned some great USA made guitars
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Why not get a Prophecy SG that already has EMG's?
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If you are trying to infer that an Epi is as good as a Gibson then your comment applies to you. The pups, hardware and electronics on an Epi are simply not as good as a Gibson.
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If you are trying to infer that an Epi is as good as a Gibson then your comment applies to you. The pups, hardware and electronics on an Epi are simply not as good as a Gibson.

Well if you read my comment, I don't say Epi's are as good as Gibson, but they are not bad guitars either. But but the Grover tuners on my G-400 are better than any stock Gibson tuners which are rebranded Grover 12:1 and my Epi came with grover 18:1 stock
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If you are trying to infer that an Epi is as good as a Gibson then your comment applies to you. The pups, hardware and electronics on an Epi are simply not as good as a Gibson.

Actually, Epiphones come with very nice hardware.
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i've really been pleasantly surprised with the Epi SG's i've played in GC. which is why buying one is in my near future

i'm leaning towards the 50th Anniversary 1961 Reissue because I want P90s and because it has a bound neck. but i'm also considering a G-400.
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I swear, every thread related to someone buying an Epiphone turns into someone bitching about another person's opinion on the guitar. It's not a Gibson. Who the **** cares?

@LP1951 The hardware on upper end Epiphone guitars is great stuff. Just because it isn't a Gibson, doesn't mean that it can't have hardware that's comparable to a Gibson.
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I swear, every thread related to someone buying an Epiphone turns into someone bitching about another person's opinion on the guitar. It's not a Gibson. Who the **** cares?


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I had an SG400 and I really disliked it. I traded it in the other week.

It's really light, it doesn't feel like a 'real' guitar to me, haha.


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I had a epi SG400 for a while and thought it sucked , I will NEVER buy a epi(or a Gibson) ever again, the neck was weak and set wrong in the body, which the last part can only be found after trying to set it up after buying it. And the pups sounded like crap and howled when I turned my amp over 4 . The unfourtunate thing was this was the first Epi/Gibson that the neck felt good to me. I have tried over 50.

For the money you would b e better off finding a used Schecter s1, way better guitar IMHO in build quality and hardware the stock duncan pups are fine hb102s most likely and really a lot cooler looking. In my area a good used one with a case is around $300 to 400
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The only things I don't like about the G-400 is the pups. You also have to be a bit careful with the headstock on SG's since they break a bit easier than most others due to being so thin.
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I have two Epi SGs. On both, the pickups were pretty bad (dull, weak, indistinct.) I only ever use the bridge pickup so I replaced them on both guitars. Neck and body-wise, one was really nice and the other was pretty much slapped together. I had to shave the neck pocket to align the neck to get the strings to pass directly over the pickup poles. Also, the tuners on that one were pretty crude affairs. I got it for almost nothing so I didn't mind. That said, that one is now my #1 guitar. I like them both equally except that the one is a bit lighter in weight.

If you want an Epi SG to ring and sustain, there's a guy on eBay selling NOS Washburn W623 pickups for $14.00 delivered; he has 4-5 left. Stick one in there and you've got yourself a smokin' guitar. There are other decent pickups available, new and used, but the 623s do it for me.
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I would rather have a used Gibson than a new Epi. Once you replace the pups, electronics and tuners on the Epi, you still have an Epi and you will never get your money back if you have to sell it.

If you buy a used Gibson at a good price, you will have a quality guitar that will hold its value or appreciate in value over time.
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Quote by LP1951
I would rather have a used Gibson than a new Epi. Once you replace the pups, electronics and tuners on the Epi, you still have an Epi and you will never get your money back if you have to sell it.

If you buy a used Gibson at a good price, you will have a quality guitar that will hold its value or appreciate in value over time.


Replacing things on it is going to decrease the value of the guitar regardless of whether it's a Gibson or an Epiphone. You're not going to get your money back on the Gibson either.

You're basically telling the TS not to get an Epi because it's an Epi.
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You're not going to get your money back on the Gibson either.

Gibson's hold their value better than almost any other guitar. Gibson's are simply better guitars than Epiphone's and since you can get them from places like Samash so cheaply these days, you would have to be an idiot to not get one.
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Gibson's hold their value better than almost any other guitar. Gibson's are simply better guitars than Epiphone's and since you can get them from places like Samash so cheaply these days, you would have to be an idiot to not get one.


Holding and appreciating in value are two different things. Sure, he'll have an easier time selling the Gibson. But that in no way means he's gonna get his money back for it.
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Holding and appreciating in value are two different things. Sure, he'll have an easier time selling the Gibson. But that in no way means he's gonna get his money back for it.

Dude, that applies for any guitar, so its a moot point. The difference is that Gibson's and MIA Fender's hold their value better than pretty much any other guitar. I never said anything about it appreciating in value.
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Replacing things on it is going to decrease the value of the guitar regardless of whether it's a Gibson or an Epiphone. You're not going to get your money back on the Gibson either.

You're basically telling the TS not to get an Epi because it's an Epi.


All my Fenders and Gibsons have appreciated in value. If he buys a Gibson, he will not have to replace the pups, electronics or the tuners.
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All my Fenders and Gibsons have appreciated in value. If he buys a Gibson, he will not have to replace the pups, electronics or the tuners.


He wants EMG's, and off hand I can't think of a Gibson currently in production with EMG pickups stock in it.

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All my Fenders and Gibsons have appreciated in value. If he buys a Gibson, he will not have to replace the pups, electronics or the tuners.


how do you figure this? dud i have an 89 Fender Strat Plus Deluxe and after you figure in the inflation rate it's worth just a little less than it was new. ths is not appreciation in real terms just holding it's value.
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how do you figure this? dud i have an 89 Fender Strat Plus Deluxe and after you figure in the inflation rate it's worth just a little less than it was new. ths is not appreciation in real terms just holding it's value.


I've appraised my guitars, not yours. I believe you when you say that you overpaid for your 89 Fender and it has decreased in value.

I bought all my vintage Fenders and Gibsons when they were depreciating in value and now they have appreciated by $1000s in some cases and hundreds in others. Of course, I had to buy smart when the Fenders and Gibsons were under-valued. That is harder to do now, but a few months ago, I bought a 50th Anniversary MIJ Fender Vegas Tele. It appreciated by $300, the minute after I bought it because I got a great deal on it.
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I bought a 50th Anniversary MIJ Fender Vegas Tele. It appreciated by $300, the minute after I bought it because I got a great deal on it

That's true of any good deal one gets on a quality guitar, though. I bought a Viper-1000 that was worth $100 more than I paid approximately 1 second after I bought it.
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I've appraised my guitars, not yours. I believe you when you say that you overpaid for your 89 Fender and it has decreased in value.

I bought all my vintage Fenders and Gibsons when they were depreciating in value and now they have appreciated by $1000s in some cases and hundreds in others. Of course, I had to buy smart when the Fenders and Gibsons are under-valued. That is harder to do now, but a few months ago, I bought a 50th Anniversary MIJ Fender Vegas Tele. It appreciated by $300, the minute after I bought it because I got a great deal on it


ok so now you're talking "vintage guitars which has nothing to do with new EPi's or Gibsons for that matter. for the record i didn't overpay for my strat at all. current market value vs original price adjusted for inflation is how i came up with what i'm talking about. sounds like you want to compare apples to oranges. by the way your tele didn't "appreciate" it's worth what's it's worth if you got it for less than fair market value we call that a good deal. nothing is worth anything until you sell it so you can't say for sure that it has gone up in value.
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That's true of any good deal one gets on a quality guitar, though. I bought a Viper-1000 that was worth $100 more than I paid approximately 1 second after I bought it.


Yes but it is not likely that you will make money on the resale of an Epi, particularly if you upgrade the pups, electronics and/or hardware. Frankly I think that some Epis are quality guitars, but they just don't appreciate in value, except for the pre-70s USA made Epis.
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LP, stick with one defence. Better yet, stick to the topic

You go from Epi vs. Gibson

To Vintage vs. Modern

And then try and dispute anything every other poster says
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I've appraised my guitars, not yours. I believe you when you say that you overpaid for your 89 Fender and it has decreased in value.

I bought all my vintage Fenders and Gibsons when they were depreciating in value and now they have appreciated by $1000s in some cases and hundreds in others. Of course, I had to buy smart when the Fenders and Gibsons were under-valued. That is harder to do now, but a few months ago, I bought a 50th Anniversary MIJ Fender Vegas Tele. It appreciated by $300, the minute after I bought it because I got a great deal on it.

What guitar do you own that is worth $1000's more than when you bought it? I think your total BS on this.
I can belive the couple hundred, but thats about it.
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What guitar do you own that is worth $1000's more than when you bought it? I think your total BS on this.
I can belive the couple hundred, but thats about it.


LOL! I know what I paid for my guitars and what they are worth, and you don't, so what you "think" is totally irrelevant.
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Most of the things you've said in your last 3 or four posts have been irrelevant to the thread topic.

The TS has received pretty much zero help since page 2 of the posts started.
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