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dtkh2009
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I am going to buy new gear with tax return $. Best deals are online and i am torn between the prs se custom 24 and gibson lp jr with humbuckers or schecter c-1 custom with seymour.duncans. I will not be swapping the pickups or anything like that since i am mostly a hobbiest. If i go with the prs i hear the tuners are junk so i will be swapping those out. I am an intermediate guitarist, play mostly classic rock and modern rock from frampton to shinedown to 311. Does anyone have any experience with either of these guitars that could sway mr one way or another? Also, last question. On both of these the humbuckers are uncovered. Does it affect the pickups at all if i buy covers for them, just like the look better. Any other guitars in this price range 500-750 i may have overlooked you would suggest?
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Mandatory question incoming: what amp are you using?

If your amp is fine, I'd personally go with the PRS. The SE Series guitars are fantastic.

Are you willing to buy used? You could score a Gibson Studio used for less then $750, which is much better then the lp junior.
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I use an orange dark terror head through a b52 412 cab. Thanks for info on used studio, there seem to be a lot on craigslist etc, just seems every individual you want to buy from thinks their guitar is worth 200 more than they paid for it lol.
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Have you played any of them yet? That's the only way you can decide which you prefer.
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I use an orange dark terror head through a b52 412 cab. Thanks for info on used studio, there seem to be a lot on craigslist etc, just seems every individual you want to buy from thinks their guitar is worth 200 more than they paid for it lol.


Try looking on guitar center's used section on their web site. They have very good prices on most of their used stuff.

Like gary said, try to go to a shop and try some out before you order anything
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You could score a Gibson Studio used for less then $750...



I agree but I would go with a Gibson LP jr over the prs.
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I'd take the PRS over the Gibson. I loved my singlecut, one of my favourite guitars, and the hardware on it was great. I never had a single issue with the tuners. The tailpiece was a bit odd at first, but it's easy to grow into.

The LP Junior only has one pickup, if I remember correctly. The PRS gives you a bit more variety.
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The 2012 PRS Custom 24's are amazing for the price. The whole SE series is top notch in my opinion. I would take it over the Gibson and the Schecter. But its best to try all of them out.
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I agree but I would go with a Gibson LP jr over the prs.

The junior is absolutely horrible in every way. Played several, none of them were better than random epiphones.
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I agree but I would go with a Gibson LP jr over the prs.
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The junior is absolutely horrible in every way. Played several, none of them were better than random epiphones.


.....and this is exactly why TS needs to go & try these guitars for himself. Everyone's opinions will be different, he needs to find out what his own opinion is.
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Gibsons always have to be tried out first, anyway. The feel of the necks and the tones can be so different, ordering one without playing it first is stupid. You have to go to a shop, play some, and if you find one you like, buy it.

If you can find a Gibson that fits you, it'll blow the PRS and Schetcer out of the water. On the other hand, not everybody is able to get to enough shops to try lots of Gibsons of a particular model out, and many people simply can't afford to buy a guitar in a shop anyway, when online prices are so cheap.
If this applies to you then I'd say go with the Schecter. The PRS SE and Schecter are both MIK and are both going to be built to the same standard. However, the Schecter gets you Seymour Duncan pickups (the PRS has generic PRS own-brand stock ones), locking tuners, TonePros hardware, carved heel for better upper-fret access and, though it's not objectively better, an ebony fretboard, which I know many people prefer to rosewood. You're basically getting an awful lot more with the Schecter.
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I agree with Mr Flibble on choosing the Schecter over the PRS, the LP Jr is a pile compared to these two.
He pretty much summed it all up (along with everybody else) saying you gotta play them first and see what feels and sounds good to you.

If you can find a BC Rich Mockingbird Special and try that, love mine and the necks on those feel very Les Paulish and with the Mohog body sounds very Les Paulish too.

I have a C-1 Elite and love it, the neck is a little narrow for my big hands so I try to just play songs with easy or barre chords on that one.
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PRS SE gets my vote.

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That's really not even on-par with the C-1 Custom, and it certainly does not "[blow] a lp jr away". Frankly, they're such different guitars, you can't compare them.

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Careful now. Gibson have gone ****ed things up for us all by releasing a new Les Paul called the LPJ, which is not a Les Paul Junior of any kind. It's basically the old Faded Studio, with new covers on the pickups. I've already seen a few on eBay that people are listing as LP Juniors.

Yeah, i know what you're on about. I actually really like those new studio guitars, they look really sweet.

But you know what i mean though. Why do people hate Juniors here so much?
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Because people don't like things that A) are made by a company that they usually can't afford, B) they haven't tried, and C) aren't black super-Strats with Floyds, 24-fret ebony fretboards and don't have an 'X' or 'Z' in the name.
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That C1 elite is better (over the c1 custom or the LPjr)since it has a neck thru not a bolt on or set neck and the C1 custom is better(than the Elite) because it has real Seymour Duncans and two volume pots....its kind of a wash. But you could always upgrade the Elites pups and have a totally better guitar than the custom. And just leaving the ebony out of it the Schecter C series (more the old ones) are better than any cheap Gibson any day.
And how is the Elite so different than a Les Paul?? They are both made out of Mahogany have 2 humbuckers.....really the only thing different is the scale length, and body shape.

And I can afford to buy a $4500 Gibson I just have chose not to since I have never found one to be worth the price or feel totally right, there is always something wrong with them and for that price they should be perfect. And to me Gibsons in the $500-2500 range are junk. To me to buy a lower level Gibson is throwing money away.
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I'd pick the PRS in this scenario. I'm not a fan of the Schecters or the lower-end Gibsons that I've tried. They both sound kinda muddy, especially Gibson Studios with 490 and 498 pickups.

PRS SE pickups are not generic. They were designed specifically for the SE guitars. I think they're great value, and I've yet to play a PRS guitar that I thought was bad. Just because it's made in Korea doesn't mean its any worse than a USA made guitar. You're ultimately paying for labour costs, not features.
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I'd pick the PRS in this scenario. I'm not a fan of the Schecters or the lower-end Gibsons that I've tried. They both sound kinda muddy, especially Gibson Studios with 490 and 498 pickups.

I disagree, I think the 490's are good pickups and they sound especially good when they're split. Of course they're going to suck if you're going to play the guitar through a crap amp or playing with the wrong settings.
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Because people don't like things that A) are made by a company that they usually can't afford, B) they haven't tried, and C) aren't black super-Strats with Floyds, 24-fret ebony fretboards and don't have an 'X' or 'Z' in the name.

You mean like danvwman?
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I disagree, I think the 490's are good pickups and they sound especially good when they're split. Of course they're going to suck if you're going to play the guitar through a crap amp or playing with the wrong settings.

You're entitled to your opinion. I very much prefer Gibson's Burstbuckers and 57 classics. The Schecter's Duncan pickups are good, too, but the Schecters that I've played were kind of underwhelming in terms of build quality.

What makes you so sure I played it through a crap amp?
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I don't like Schecters either. I think they're very overpriced (as i live in the UK) and given how much hype they get on this forum, they're really not that good. There isn't anything really special about them at all that makes me want to buy them. A lot of them look like they were designed by teenage goth kids too.
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What makes you so sure I played it through a crap amp?

A lot of people decide to spend their money on high end guitars and rarely on high-end amps, so people's opinions don't have a whole lot of validity in that regard.

I'm not saying that you have, but i played an old Les Paul Custom with 490's through a Mesa Mark IV and it sounded fantastic.
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Because people don't like things that A) are made by a company that they usually can't afford, B) they haven't tried, and C) aren't black super-Strats with Floyds, 24-fret ebony fretboards and don't have an 'X' or 'Z' in the name.

Or D) because any piece of wood that doesn't make the cut for the LP studio line gets on the pile of the wood that become LP Juniors, which result in dull, unresonant, dead guitars most of the time. Once a bad piece of wood is in the USA, they won't ship it to china to make epi's with it, that's to expensive. They make juniors out of it.
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Or D) because any piece of wood that doesn't make the cut for the LP studio line gets on the pile of the wood that become LP Juniors, which result in dull, unresonant, dead guitars most of the time. Once a bad piece of wood is in the USA, they won't ship it to china to make epi's with it, that's to expensive. They make juniors out of it.

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Why?
Can I help it that every junior I picked up was not a good guitar? Don't you find it weird that the USA factory makes gibsons as cheap as the Chinese produce epiphones, considdering that a Chinese manufacturer costs about a tenth of what an american worker costs?

Gibson gets bashed too much, but some of their models are just utter crap. And I'm just as much entitled to express my experience and opinion in here as you are. So don't tell me to stop posting.
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i don't even know how this is debatable honestly.

they are all really different.

schecter on the spec sheet looks better than the PRS SE

but from the PRS SE's i have played i liked the feel better than schecters. that is an opinion, could be different for you.

i like Les Paul Juniors, i have played one or two that weren't my favorite, but i have played a lot of them and liked them, but again on the spec sheet the shceter looks better.

however from my experience would go with the gibson. i have toured their facility in memphis (which only makes hollowboides, the solidbody facility hasn't be open for tours for a while). but they took a lot of care into their work. i also own seven gibsons, one kalamazoo, six nashville. i have two from the 80's, one 90's IIRC the other four are all '00's, and they are all nice guitars. even the sonexes which i paid less than $200 for each on CL.

if you had a little bit more money it would totally change and go for a CE PRS which at the price are better than both the LP JR and the Schecter.

i like LP JR's, they have a cool vibe to them.

and so you know i am not a fanboy, i have my third prestige on the way (should be here tomorrow or monday), and obviously they are quite different than any gibson.

i have two very nice Peavey Wolfgangs (best bang for your buck IMO) too.

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but they are so different i would advise playing as many guitars as you can find before buying one.

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also i picked up a used Ibanez Prestige (edit: the one mentioned above, i didn't mean to be redundent but want my post to be as is./edit) from used.guitarcenter.com for $503 to my door, it was rated five stars for condition and they are phenomenal guitars.

i would take a used prestige over the schecter or PRS SE any day. i have played many and they are IMO on par with quality if not better. remember not all models have trems.
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Or D) because any piece of wood that doesn't make the cut for the LP studio line gets on the pile of the wood that become LP Juniors, which result in dull, unresonant, dead guitars most of the time. Once a bad piece of wood is in the USA, they won't ship it to china to make epi's with it, that's to expensive. They make juniors out of it.
This is so inaccurate, I don't even...

Just three feet away from me is a Gibson Les Paul DC Special—a 'low-end' Gibson of the same line as the current Juniors—with a 1-piece, very light and very resonant mahogany body, with very clean grain, too. And you can tell it's not a veneer because it's a worn finish with the grain showing right the way through, and because I've opened the bugger up, stripped it way back and overhauled the whole thing. It's not like I had to spend time hunting out a body like this, either; this was eBay scrap, sold for parts, didn't even have clear pictures. Just bought it because **** it. Hey, turns out to be one of the nicest, structurally, guitars I've ever held. And it's not the only flat-top, stripped-back, worn-finished, low-end Gibson that I've had this experience with.

But yes, sure. Shit wood that's not good enough for Studios. Good enough to make a 1-piece body that's lighter than any 'lite ash' Strat I've ever held, but clearly, utterly shit wood that should have just been used as firewood.

I have stripped, remodelled, remade, refinished and generally mutilated more Epiphones and Gibsons than any other brand group of guitars. I've done it for myself, for friends and for strangers. Bedroom hereos, pub giggers, local bands, smaller bands playing the next large city over. Even got to help out restoring a real '56 Gibson, once.
There is nothing that I don't know about the wood that goes into Gibson and Epiphone guitars. I have always been the first to point out that there's many species of mahogany, that flame tops are not always solid flame, that some cheaper models have junky wood compared to the wood used in higher-end models, whatever. I've always been the first person here to happily call out Gibson and Epiphone on the corner-cutting they sometimes do in terms of basic parts.

And I have never read such utter bollocks as your post.


And just to keep this vaguely more on-topic, I can say I know of more professional bands touring the world and recording with stock Gibson LP Juniors than I can name that do the same with Schecters or PRS SEs.
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And my point is (for me at least) the 1-5% difference the "better" wood a Gibson or Epi is made out of is not worth the $1000-3500 more than a Schecter or any other guitar for that matter.
And they do not sound $1000-3500 better either. If they did I would buy one.

Again my opinion.
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And my point is (for me at least) the 1-5% difference the "better" wood a Gibson or Epi is made out of is not worth the $1000-3500 more than a Schecter or any other guitar for that matter.
And they do not sound $1000-3500 better either. If they did I would buy one.

Again my opinion.

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What has that got to do with anything?

You would have to be extremely wealthy to own a decent house at 20 years old anyway. So i live at uni instead.
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this thread is funny.

8/10 would read again.
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This is so inaccurate, I don't even...

Just three feet away from me is a Gibson Les Paul DC Special—a 'low-end' Gibson of the same line as the current Juniors—with a 1-piece, very light and very resonant mahogany body, with very clean grain, too. And you can tell it's not a veneer because it's a worn finish with the grain showing right the way through, and because I've opened the bugger up, stripped it way back and overhauled the whole thing. It's not like I had to spend time hunting out a body like this, either; this was eBay scrap, sold for parts, didn't even have clear pictures. Just bought it because **** it. Hey, turns out to be one of the nicest, structurally, guitars I've ever held. And it's not the only flat-top, stripped-back, worn-finished, low-end Gibson that I've had this experience with.

But yes, sure. Shit wood that's not good enough for Studios. Good enough to make a 1-piece body that's lighter than any 'lite ash' Strat I've ever held, but clearly, utterly shit wood that should have just been used as firewood.

I have stripped, remodelled, remade, refinished and generally mutilated more Epiphones and Gibsons than any other brand group of guitars. I've done it for myself, for friends and for strangers. Bedroom hereos, pub giggers, local bands, smaller bands playing the next large city over. Even got to help out restoring a real '56 Gibson, once.
There is nothing that I don't know about the wood that goes into Gibson and Epiphone guitars. I have always been the first to point out that there's many species of mahogany, that flame tops are not always solid flame, that some cheaper models have junky wood compared to the wood used in higher-end models, whatever. I've always been the first person here to happily call out Gibson and Epiphone on the corner-cutting they sometimes do in terms of basic parts.

And I have never read such utter bollocks as your post.


And just to keep this vaguely more on-topic, I can say I know of more professional bands touring the world and recording with stock Gibson LP Juniors than I can name that do the same with Schecters or PRS SEs.

Utter bollocks? Ok, maybe to you, but all this doesn't explain why 5 out of 6 Juniors I played were absolute lemons, so bad that I'd gladly take a Epiphone over them. That other one was over 30 years old and quite good, but absolutely not mindblowing. Disagree? Ok, shoot me. But first, explain to me why these 'stunning' cheap Gibsons are so dull and dead if they're all made of high grade premium wood.

There has been so much Gibson bashing over the years, that people now start to create a contra-antigibson bandwagon. Or so it seems to me.
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