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hey people!! what amp? thread coming to you! (i promise to give all the info)

So i've been playing guitar for around 5 years now and im looking to enter the tube amp world im looking for a good tube amp (head)

My budget its around 2k but its flexible

I play thrash metal mostly (metallica megadeth etc)
but i want an amp that has the ability to go from some guns n roses hard rock all the way to a kill em all sound also with good cleans with more than one channel and a FX loop

id would be awesome to get it new but i can go for used

I want the amp for gigging and maybe some practice sessions

im form Eagle pass Tx the closest city with more guitar stuff would be San Antonio

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i don't really think you will be able to find everything, metallica recorded some of their earilier stuff with Mesa MKiii's or MKiii's, don't remember which though.

if you are wanting a marshally thrash sound Splawn Quickrods are hard to beat. IMO considering price marshall has never put out anything high gain wise as Splawn. you can pickup a quick rod for around a $1k, i have two other splawns, one being pretty similar (promod KT88's and nitro, also with KT88's, the Quickrod has EL34's.

another thing would be a Mesa MKIV i have owned one for six months and love it. with the right OD you can get quite a bit of it, also with the global 5 band active EQ that is foot-switchable. around $1K too.
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i don't really think you will be able to find everything, metallica recorded some of their earilier stuff with Mesa MKiii's or MKiii's, don't remember which though.

if you are wanting a marshally thrash sound Splawn Quickrods are hard to beat. IMO considering price marshall has never put out anything high gain wise as Splawn. you can pickup a quick rod for around a $1k, i have two other splawns, one being pretty similar (promod KT88's and nitro, also with KT88's, the Quickrod has EL34's.

another thing would be a Mesa MKIV i have owned one for six months and love it. with the right OD you can get quite a bit of it, also with the global 5 band active EQ that is foot-switchable. around $1K too.


Kill'em all was recorded with a marshall.

Splawn would be a great suggestion. VHT as well.

2 channel JCM800. Something marshall other than JCM900. Hell even a DSL50 or 100 would work. Your budget is higher though.
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Kill'em all was recorded with a marshall.

Splawn would be a great suggestion.


i do know that at least one album was on a mark. i just searched and found out master of puppets was on a MK2C.

but i would still go splawn. i love the two i have.

ask 311, he has a QR and i discovered splawn through his posts two or three years ago.
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Puppets was a MKIIC+.

Kill'em all was Marshall modified plexi. Can't remember what "ride" was recorded with.

With his budget I would go something other than marshall. Bogner/Splawn are hot rodded marshalls. I would go that direction.
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Puppets was a MKIIC+.

Kill'em all was Marshall modified plexi. Can't remember what "ride" was recorded with.

With his budget I would go something other than marshall. Bogner/Splawn are hot rodded marshalls. I would go that direction.


splawn all the way IMO you certainly wouldn't get better for the money.
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Mesa Boogie Mark V - new at $2K might be tough, certainly almost new/used you can get them for $1800-$2000. Three channels, 9 different amps, great clean, has the mark i, mark IIC+ and Mark IV circuit. It is a phenomenal amp.
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Kirk Hammett has his own signature Randall halfstack for around 700 bucks.

Maybe you can look into some Bugera amps? I'm looking to buy some myself too, especially the 333 and 6262 are interesting. Very cheap but really great tone!

Here is a video of Ola Englund playing through a Bugera 6262, I think it's awesome.
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splawn all the way IMO you certainly wouldn't get better for the money.


+1, Splawn kick ass, it would suite your needs. Other amps recommended are all great, but the splawns are a whole new league.
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Kirk Hammett has his own signature Randall halfstack for around 700 bucks.

Maybe you can look into some Bugera amps? I'm looking to buy some myself too, especially the 333 and 6262 are interesting. Very cheap but really great tone!

Here is a video of Ola Englund playing through a Bugera 6262, I think it's awesome.


the kirk hammet is totally solid state. that may not be a down point for everybody, as randall has made some good SS amps, RG100ES, Century 200, and the warhead being a few, dime used them, i have owned a few, they sound a lot better than dime's tone, but none of it would be what he is looking for IMO.

if you have $2k as a budget, why would anybody go bugera? they are realistically copies of different amps (Peavey 6505 = Bugera 6262, Peavey XXX = bugera 333).

most people also consider bugera highly unreliable, myself included. they use shitty components, manufactured poorly and have a high failure rate.

for a while they even smoked and got way too hot, and stuff melted.

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the kirk hammet is totally solid state. that may not be a down point for everybody, as randall has made some good SS amps, RG100ES, Century 200, and the warhead being a few, dime used them, i have owned a few, they sound a lot better than dime's tone, but none of it would be what he is looking for IMO.
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You could look into the Egnater amps.

Tweaker 40 has two channels and Fender/Vox/Marshall sounds
Renegade and Vengeance can do harder stuff.
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If you want the vintage Metallica sound, go with a splawn. Dazzl1113, don't think anyone would argue against how awesome the Mark V (or IV) is, but it's way too modern sounding for early Metallica or GnR. If he were looking for MoP & Justice, then it'd be perfect!
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Whats the difference between a SS amp and a modeling amp?

i thought they were the same think


solid state means gain is from transistors (i think op amps too).

modeling in the amp world basically involves some kind of 'computer' in the amp to give it different tones.

for sample, the peavey bandit is solid state, (very loosely used means no tubes)

a peavey JSX is tube

and for example a line 6 spider is a modeler (digital).

a vypyr tube (only the 60 and 120) would have both and mean its a hybrid (tubes and solicstate (and modeling). when tubes are used with solid state components it is referred to as a hybrid.

just some examples. i don't know a ton about SS gear, most of my amps are tubes, and i have never tried to fix a SS amp.
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Does anybody know if the Quick Rod can be controlled via the TC Electronics G System??

where can i get this type of info?

Tc's website doesn't say much
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Any amp with a footswitch jack can be controlled with any MFX with MIDI if you have an Amp Gizmo.

Besides that, to the extent of my knowledge the Boss GT8/10/100 is the only MFX that can control an amp with a 1/4" footswitch jack on it's own. Some of the Digitech RPs might have the same functionality, but I don't believe so.

Other than that you need an amp that has built in MIDI capabilities, like the Marshall JVM. Very few amps have that though.

So besides those two options, you're going to need something in between to translate, a la Mini Amp Gizmo.
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I recommend one of the following:

Splawn Quickrod
Egnater Vengeance
EVH 5150 III Mini (The 50w version)
Mesa Mark IV
Mesa Royal Atlantic

The Splawn is going to do Marshall better than Marshall does Marshall. One thing to keep in mind with these, though, is that they are very unforgiving, meaning that every tiny mistake you make will be heard loud and clear. Now, if you're an excellent player, then that's only a good thing, but some people actually dislike Splawn because of how clear they sound

I have the Egnater, and GNR is my favorite band. It'll easily nail that classic Marshall sound. In addition, I'm a big Thrash fan in general, and Metallica is no problem for this beast. The only thing to keep in mind on this one is it's got a darker voicing, which some people don't like. With the right tubes, though, it'll brighten up, and your speaker will make a huge difference, too.

If the Vengeance is too Dark for you, or if the Cleans aren't quite to your taste, the 5153 is basically it's counterpart with a different voicing. It's brighter and has a different flavor of cleans.

The Mark IV will do just about anything, too. It's got plenty of voicings to choose from and the Graphic EQ is a nice feature, too. Some people say the cleans are a bit lacking, but I don't know from experience, as I've never tried the cleans on this amp. I would say that this one might be a little too American-Voiced for the tones you're looking for, though. It will certainly get close, though.

The Royal Atlantic is basically Mesa's idea of a Marshall. It's a great amp with great tone, although if you're going for this, I would probably just get the Splawn. It's another option, though.

With any of these, I recommend grabbing a boost pedal to really nail that early Metallica tone. Those guys used Marshall JCM800's with a boost out front to get some extra gain and tightness.

One issue you might have, though, is speakers. Slash uses Celestion Vintage 30's and Metallica used Celestion G12T-75's, which are pretty different speakers. The V30's have a mid spike in the upper-mids, which can sound a bit bright and even harsh with some amps or to some people, and the T75's have a scooped midrange and can sound a bit thin or lacking with some amps. Your best bet might be to mic the two, although I'm not positive on how that would sound. I don't know of anyone that really does that.
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^^ V30's suck. I hate them. Too harsh.

The cleans on the mark IV are just fine. Will spank most amps.

For what he is after and his budget the Splawn is the route I would go. The early metalica records were modded marshalls with ODs up front. KH used a DS1.

RA is a bad ass little amp. I plated one for 20 minutes. Picked up a mark V over it as it was suited to my needs better.

The Mark series and Splawn are not very forgiving as blktger said- this will actually help you improve your playing IMO.

5153 isn't voiced for what he is after.
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I think the 5153 would do fine. I mean, Van Halen and GNR are similar guitar tones, IMO, and the 5153 will do Metal just fine. Metallica would be the only one it might not be voiced right for, but I mostly suggested it in case the Vengeance was too dark.
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Whats the difference between a SS amp and a modeling amp?

i thought they were the same think

Modeling amp tries to sound like the amps it's modeling. Modeling amps have many different amp sounds. You can have analog modeling amps too. Tech 21 amps are all analog if I remember right and they are modeling. You can have tube modeling amps too like Peavey Vypyr Tube (hybrid). Most of the modeling amps are solid state. Solid state only means transistor amp. And there are non-modeling solid states like Marshall MG and all those starter pack amps.
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You got me with the Quick Rod its so classic and yet powerful its a great choice

BUT

The Mark V is smiling and winking at me!! it has so many options and switches and buttons !!!

SO?

Quick Rod or Mark V ????

help
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Honestly, for GNR and Metallica, I would go Splawn, especially since you like KEA Metallica, which was all Marhsall. GNR was always Marshall, or course, and like I said, Splawn does Marshall better than Marshall does Marshall.

My Vote is Splawn.
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Honestly, for GNR and Metallica, I would go Splawn, especially since you like KEA Metallica, which was all Marhsall. GNR was always Marshall, or course, and like I said, Splawn does Marshall better than Marshall does Marshall.

My Vote is Splawn.


splawn is the best amp for the job. go for one. i am sure you can find one in TGP, RT, HC's classifieds in the next 12 hours. maybe even here

but go with a QR.
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I thought I read somewhere that metallica recorded quite a bit with Mark IIC+ which is one of the voicings in the Mark V.

I don't disagree that its a more modern voiced amp, however, with channel two...Edge, Crunch and Mark I, along with the graphic EQ and main eq settings you can get classic tones that are will stand up.

The cleans of Channel FAT in particular are awesome, and again, with proper EQ, power setting and the diode or tube tracking a huge range of tones are achievable.
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The MarkIIC+ was on Master of Puppets. He said that he wanted a tone similar to Kill Em All, which was Marshall JCM800's boosted through 1960 cabs.


Yup. I thought their early stuff was a modded plexi but that is not worth discussing.


As a mark V owner I can tell you its a hell of an amp. It's not really voiced for what you are after though. It's extremely flexible and can cover a ton of ground but it isn't british voiced.

If you said you wanted Master of Puppets, dream theater and Lamb of God we would be pointing you towards the mark V.

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