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brenthinds
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I have read some reviews about the Fender Standard Stratocaster and i have seen many people say that its great for everything but metal. Of course it is a single coil so it probably wouldn't be as good as humbuckers but daron malakian used one with stock pickups on system of a down's first album. I want to know others experiences with it for metal.
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You might want to look up a guy named Yngwie Malmsteen. He seems to have done well in metal with a Strat.
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Jim Root Strat. EMG Single Coils could work. Also, plus I've seen some metal bands use single coils in a Strat

Kirk Hammett for one. So I'd say pretty good!

I'm not too sure how much tone the guitar has to do with it when you chuck ultra high output EMGs in it, I don't think it's that much.
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I have read some reviews about the Fender Standard Stratocaster and i have seen many people say that its great for everything but metal. Of course it is a single coil so it probably wouldn't be as good as humbuckers but daron malakian used one with stock pickups on system of a down's first album. I want to know others experiences with it for metal.


define metal in your book. i play strats with single coils and play metal however or me that means say Judas Pries from the 70s to early 80s. my main strat has Lace Sensor pickups which have more balls (blue in the bridge on mine) yet retain the positives of the single coil sound. i have another strat that has regular singles as well. check the song Valley Of Gwangi in my profile for an exampe of metal using strats.
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It depends what kind of metal you're talking about really. Dave Murray and Janick Gers of Iron Maiden use Strats 99% of the time, albeit with stacked humbuckers in single coil slots (the Dave Murray signature Strat with the two humbuckers is based on a model he hasn't played for years) but obviously Maiden's tone isn't as chunky as more modern metal bands. I play a lot of metal on my Strat, the bridge humbucker is a Duncan Pearly Gates which isn't really much of a metal 'bucker but I love the tone I get out of it. I've never really attempted anything heavier than old school heavy metal in standard tuning with a Strat so beyond that I can't help but it's perfectly possible to play metal with a Strat.
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its really mostly amp. on high gain amps you can get brutal with fender single coils.
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This. If you play drop C metal core or something, then a stock strat just might not cut it. If you are big on 8 finger tapping or something, then the action on a strat might not do for you. Personally, I like my action really freaking low, too low for the 9" radius(I think) of a strat.
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Who cares about opinions. If you like the way it plays and the sound, play it. I'm tired of having this "Strats can't do metal" discussion when they obviously can.

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Who cares about opinions. If you like the way it plays and the sound, play it. I'm tired of having this "Strats can't do metal" discussion when they obviously can.


agree.

oh and for the record most modern strats have a 9.5" radius which doesn't facilitate super low action as well as the flatter radius' found on guitars like ibanez.
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my main strat has Lace Sensor pickups which have more balls (blue in the bridge on mine)


"Blue Balls on the Bridge" sounds like a good name for an AC/DC song...
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It's all subjective. The reason why stats aren't deemed for metal nowadays is because all of the current metal bands want chunky fat sounds, but I really don't see what's the problem with a bright high gain sound if it sounds good.
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It's all subjective. The reason why stats aren't deemed for metal nowadays is because all of the current metal bands want chunky fat sounds, but I really don't see what's the problem with a bright high gain sound if it sounds good.

That's definitely not the reason why.
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^ +1

I really hate all these anti-bandwagon bandwagons...

can you absolutely definitely not use a (vintage spec) strat for metal? of course not, you can use what you like.

Does that mean a (again, vintage spec) strat is ideal, or even good, for metal? (at least, in most metal players' opinions) Nope.

I play 80s hard rock and metal mainly, I'm not playing brootz or anywhere close, and I wouldn't want to use a (vintage spec) strat for the metal I play.
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^ +1

I really hate all these anti-bandwagon bandwagons...

can you absolutely definitely not use a (vintage spec) strat for metal? of course not, you can use what you like.

Does that mean a (again, vintage spec) strat is ideal, or even good, for metal? (at least, in most metal players' opinions) Nope.

I play 80s hard rock and metal mainly, I'm not playing brootz or anywhere close, and I wouldn't want to use a (vintage spec) strat for the metal I play.


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The question is Why try to use a standard strat when there are so many SuperStrat options available?
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yeah

now- it's absolutely a different matter if you only play metal 5% of the time and a strat is perfect for you the other 95% of the time. In that case damn straight try to make the strat work.

But if you're mainly playing metal and you're pigheadedly trying to prove the consensus wrong...
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^ +1

I really hate all these anti-bandwagon bandwagons...

can you absolutely definitely not use a (vintage spec) strat for metal? of course not, you can use what you like.

Does that mean a (again, vintage spec) strat is ideal, or even good, for metal? (at least, in most metal players' opinions) Nope.

I play 80s hard rock and metal mainly, I'm not playing brootz or anywhere close, and I wouldn't want to use a (vintage spec) strat for the metal I play.

+2

And I wonder how many of the people who swear strats are great for metal would go out and buy a Schecter Hellraiser FR for playing the blues....
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another very valid point. I don't like to generalise too much, but it seems to me that a fairly significant percentage of those who claim strats (or teles, or whatever) are absolutely fine for metal *don't actually play all that much metal*. Which explains a lot, if you ask me. I'd be the first to admit that you probably shouldn't listen to my opinions regarding what makes for a good blues tone, or a good jazz tone, or a good grunge tone... but that cuts both ways.
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+2

And I wonder how many of the people who swear strats are great for metal would go out and buy a Schecter Hellraiser FR for playing the blues....




Or use BC Rich Warlock for Country?
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I'd be the first to admit that you probably shouldn't listen to my opinions regarding what makes for a good blues tone, or a good jazz tone, or a good grunge tone... but that cuts both ways.

Me too. I dabble in the blues, but I would not consider myself knowledgeable enough about it to give advice on the matter.

I also find it funny when people are quick to say "I play metal fine on my strat" when they haven't even defined what they play at all. Anyone can chunk out some power chords in Drop D/C on any guitar with high gain and sound metal. But when you start getting into things like 8-finger tapping and sweep tapping, having things like low action and 24 frets suddenly make things a helluva lot more easy!
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sounds more like hard rock to me.
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I am very aware that iron maiden uses strats but about not playing in drop c with the fender standard strat, daron malakian does. The link below is him playing sugar in drop c with a fender strat with stock pickups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VdeVe7DodU
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Since the "Strats are fine for metal" argument is now being torn to shreds and as one of the people who said I play metal fine on a Strat, I would just like it noted for the record that I did point out that I only really play old school heavy metal in standard tuning on it and couldn't offer any credible advice beyond that.
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Thanks for the feedback, dudes. That song Stormcrow was one that I recorded with a Strat like 4 years back specifically to prove the point that Strats can handle metal.

To the question of "can Strats handle metal?" Obviously they can. However, I don't think that's the question a lot of us should be asking, really. Dave hit it on the head perfectly earlier.

If you play mostly other stuff and dabble in Metal, then certainly a Strat will suit you greatly. If you're main focus is metal, however, you would probably be better set with another more oriented guitar. A BMW M3 is a good all around sports car, but if you're only interested in Drag Racing, you might want to get a beefier sports car. The M3 will drag well with skill and tweaking, but it won't be as easy to do as with some American Muscle.

Of course, there are TONS of drag racing arguments to be had, but I'm just illustrating a point. If you're playing 95% metal, yeah, a Strat will work, but something else would be more conducive to your style. If you're playing a bit of everything and some metal, then a Strat might be your best bet.


My biggest pet peeve with these arguments is this. No, an HSS Strat is NOT MORE versatile. It's just versatile in different styles. It doesn't add more tones, just different ones. I hate when people say the HSS is MORE than an SSS.

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i think metal is a very general term.

rooster your recordings are pretty cool but that's not really the sub genre of metal that TS is in to.

"strats can handle metal"
what does this mean? it sure can't mean that you'll nail a metallica tone with a MiM strat

if you were playing stoner metal, or sabbath or something a strat might work.

whatever. it's very general.
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another very valid point. I don't like to generalise too much, but it seems to me that a fairly significant percentage of those who claim strats (or teles, or whatever) are absolutely fine for metal *don't actually play all that much metal*. Which explains a lot, if you ask me. I'd be the first to admit that you probably shouldn't listen to my opinions regarding what makes for a good blues tone, or a good jazz tone, or a good grunge tone... but that cuts both ways.


I really don't get what's with the brickwall of nay-saying, as if it's totally non subjective.
It depends on if their tone compliments their playing correctly. I can't say that it's going to cover the general perfect metal tone for modern stuff, but that could be said about any guitar if it simply doesn't give what you're looking for.

I'm not standing by strats or anything, I'm just saying that saying they're "shit for metal" is ignorant.

Like people said, Iron Maiden have used strats and I think that tone is just fine, so what's the big deal?
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I am very aware that iron maiden uses strats but about not playing in drop c with the fender standard strat, daron malakian does. The link below is him playing sugar in drop c with a fender strat with stock pickups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VdeVe7DodU


how do you know if its stock or not? those could easily be active pickups. plus he is obviously playing through a hi gain amp.
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how do you know if its stock or not? those could easily be active pickups. plus he is obviously playing through a hi gain amp.


I don't think this is the point. We're not talking about amps, we're asking if the guitar is viable for metal. The pickups can be changed but the neck radius, amount of frets, etc can't be changed, the very things that make a guitar good for shredding and tapping over another.

Yngwie Malmsteen seems to have done absolutely fine.
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its really mostly amp. on high gain amps you can get brutal with fender single coils.

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To be fair the Squier Strat I have is actually alright for Metal. (I play 80s classic/thrash Metal) But yeah. As others have stated, it depends on what feel you want. And tone isn't terrible, it's just not the best.
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Me too. I dabble in the blues, but I would not consider myself knowledgeable enough about it to give advice on the matter.

I also find it funny when people are quick to say "I play metal fine on my strat" when they haven't even defined what they play at all. Anyone can chunk out some power chords in Drop D/C on any guitar with high gain and sound metal. But when you start getting into things like 8-finger tapping and sweep tapping, having things like low action and 24 frets suddenly make things a helluva lot more easy!


yep

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Since the "Strats are fine for metal" argument is now being torn to shreds and as one of the people who said I play metal fine on a Strat, I would just like it noted for the record that I did point out that I only really play old school heavy metal in standard tuning on it and couldn't offer any credible advice beyond that.


no worries, your original post was absolutely fine, if you ask me

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Thanks for the feedback, dudes. That song Stormcrow was one that I recorded with a Strat like 4 years back specifically to prove the point that Strats can handle metal.

To the question of "can Strats handle metal?" Obviously they can. However, I don't think that's the question a lot of us should be asking, really. Dave hit it on the head perfectly earlier.

If you play mostly other stuff and dabble in Metal, then certainly a Strat will suit you greatly. If you're main focus is metal, however, you would probably be better set with another more oriented guitar. A BMW M3 is a good all around sports car, but if you're only interested in Drag Racing, you might want to get a beefier sports car. The M3 will drag well with skill and tweaking, but it won't be as easy to do as with some American Muscle.

Of course, there are TONS of drag racing arguments to be had, but I'm just illustrating a point. If you're playing 95% metal, yeah, a Strat will work, but something else would be more conducive to your style. If you're playing a bit of everything and some metal, then a Strat might be your best bet.


My biggest pet peeve with these arguments is this. No, an HSS Strat is NOT MORE versatile. It's just versatile in different styles. It doesn't add more tones, just different ones. I hate when people say the HSS is MORE than an SSS.


(nice clips by the way)

regarding the HSS versus SSS thing- it really depends on what you mean by versatility. If you need both humbucker and single coil tones, it's more versatile (and i'd argue that that's probably what most people mean by versatility- but not necessarily so); if you need more stratty tones, then SSS is.

I agree, in other words.

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(a) I really don't get what's with the brickwall of nay-saying, as if it's totally non subjective.
It depends on if their tone compliments their playing correctly. I can't say that it's going to cover the general perfect metal tone for modern stuff, but that could be said about any guitar if it simply doesn't give what you're looking for.

(b) I'm not standing by strats or anything, I'm just saying that saying they're "shit for metal" is ignorant.

(c) Like people said, Iron Maiden have used strats and I think that tone is just fine, so what's the big deal?


(a) that's precisely my point, that it *is* subjective. But if people who mainly play a certain genre are all (or mostly all) saying the same thing, maybe their opinion is right. That's what I'm saying. I wouldn't listen to a non-cricketer's opinion as to what the best cricket bat is, for example. that'd be crazy. It's still fairly subjective, I imagine, but "subjective" doesn't mean that everyone's opinion is equally valid, either.

(b) I'm saying that saying that a (vintage spec! that distinction is important) strat is absolutely fine for metal is ignorant, too. there's a big difference between "will do at a pinch" and "is good at".

(c) iron maiden doesn't use vintage spec strats. Not normally, anyway, and not on most of their classic records, far as i'm aware.

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I don't think this is the point. We're not talking about amps, we're asking if the guitar is viable for metal. The pickups can be changed but the neck radius, amount of frets, etc can't be changed, the very things that make a guitar good for shredding and tapping over another.

Yngwie Malmsteen seems to have done absolutely fine.


malmsteen's a total badass, though. the rest of us (or me, anyway, i don't like to speak for others or put words in their mouth) can use all the help we can get
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A HSS coil tap SS is much more versatile than a standard Strat.
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Rooster, that's some awesome stuff you've got there.

More Kyuss than Queens in my opinion, but I love both so it's all good!
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The question is Why try to use a standard strat when there are so many SuperStrat options available?


hmmm.... well lets see just ask jeff beck what can be done with a non locking fender trem and get back to me. trem use isn't all about dive bombs ya know. a well setup fender style trem will stay in tune. ok i admit that if you want to go all apeshit crazy with it then probably not but otherwise they do work. van halen and hendrix both managed to write the book on trem use without a floyd.

dave i play 70s and 80s metal and hard rock as well and my strats work fine for most of it. my Ultra 212 has anb active eq for the distortion channels and you'd be amazed at what kind of sounds can come out of strat using this. of course to each his own.
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^That really doesn't answer the question. The point is that there are SuperStrats that will do everything that a standard Strat can do and do metal much better.
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Because a Strat is iconic, more so than any Super Strat. As cool as they are, they don't have the Hendrix, Clapton, Gilmour, Malmsteen, Beck, Eric Johnson factor.

Plus the tone, man. The tone.
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It's impossible to play metal on a Strat. I tried it once, cost me a visit to the ER and 7 stitches. Never again...
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^That really doesn't answer the question. The point is that there are SuperStrats that will do everything that a standard Strat can do and do metal much better.


"metal" is way to generic a term to make a blanket statement with. back in 72 Deep Purple was metal and ritchie was rocking a strat seemed to work for him. for that matter keep in mind that if not for a failed pickup tony iommi was going to use a strat for the first sabbath album.