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clincher09
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#1
I'd love to sing, I'd like to sing for a band, but my voice sounds like shit.

I don't know if it's because I'm doing it wrong or what. I can hit notes well, but my voice just sounds bad. Will taking vocal lessons help me find my voice, or is it just something you have to be born with?
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The voice is as much an instrument as a guitar. It can be practiced as such.

edit: that said, my voice is probably the equivalent of a 400$ guitar. Nice to practice on, isn't totally abysmal, but definitely nothing special.
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Singing lessons, wrong forum, etc., etc.
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Singing lessons, wrong forum, etc., etc.


The singing forum is dead, plus this is more of a general question rather than something specific about vocals.
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I think it is, personally. But that doesn't mean you can't learn how to do it well, either.
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The singing forum is dead, plus this is more of a general question rather than something specific about vocals.

Alright then.

Yes, proficiency with the voice, as with any other instrument, is natural. That's not to say it can't be learned, though.

My advice would be to seek someone who sings, at least semi-professionally, a voice therapist, or a singing instructor. You need to start with the basics: Identify your entire, comfortable, modal range. That is, your range before you start to break into falsetto.

Find or write songs that will fit into your range and try to sing along with them. Practice is the most important step in learning anything, but first you need to know what to practice, and that's why you should pay a visit to someone who knows about the voice first. It is possible to damage the vocal cords, and consequentially permenantly decrease your overall range.


Also, when practicing within your modal range, try different, simple exercises. A good example of this is to go up from the lowest tone to your highest in semi-tones, both in staccato and legato (abrupt and smooth, if you didn't know). Much like a siren.
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Tonal quality is pretty much born into a person, but it can be altered through good technique.
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You can take measures to improve what you have, but for the most part, yes.
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talent determines how quickly you make progress, and therefore how good you will be able to get, but practice determines how good you are actually going to be.
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I don't think anyone has a bad voice, I just think a lot of people use theirs the wrong way.
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yes but in most cases you can usually make it work


With a shitload of effects maybe. or autotune
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I don't think anyone has a bad voice, I just think a lot of people use theirs the wrong way.

probably never heard me sing.


OT: Sure, you can be okay at singing without any lessons, but if you want to be a good singer you have to have lessons.


It's weird though, because I usually only really like rough vocals or ones that aren't like RnB (or even the opera kind, don't know what it's called). I don't think you need any lessons for those, though I don't know anything about them aside from how great they sound.
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With a shitload of effects maybe. or autotune

I disagree. Take Neutral Milk Hotel for example, the guy's got a horrible voice, but his outstanding technique makes up for it.
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Alright, I'm only typing this out once, so listen up you little shits


The key's resonance. First step is really just yawning. Take a few deep breaths in and out. Then yawn in and out. Stop yourself mid yawn and feel that resonance. Notice how the back of your mouth and teeth are spaced, that openess is the first step to getting a good vocal tone. If you can do that, you'll basically be set.

Step two's a shit ton of diction related stuff you don't need to know. One thing I can't stress enough, though. HOLD OUT ON VOWELS.

ex:
My friend wrote a song he likes to play. The chorus has him going "too far" and holding out the word "far". Since he doesn't know better, he finishes the word and keeps it sustained, which sounds like "farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr". Do that right now. Sounds and feels restricted. That's bad. Instead, you should hold out the vowel, like "faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar". It'll actually sound more like "faaaaaaaaaaaaaah" but the way it's perceived does more than enough to fill in the missing soft consonant. Like I recently had to hold the word "joy" at a holiday concert. I sang "joooooooooooooooooe" and it sounded right. There's also shit with harder consonants but it ain't even worth the mention

If you need any more info or have any more questions, hit me with a PM. I'm a music education major with 4 semesters of voice, consistently beasting my juries/performances.
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Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
With a shitload of effects maybe. or autotune


Autotune fixes incorrect intonation and pitch, not vocal technique. Just because you can sing in pitch doesn't necessarily mean it will always sound good.
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There are definitely bad voices, don't be naïve.


there's an audience for everything. If any one worked hard enough and got in tact with what they want to express with their voices they'd have a good voice. It just comes a lot more naturally to some people.
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Lung capacity is very much bound to your body.

If your father had great lungs, you will most likely have it.

But most stuff can be practiced. A lot.
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The vocal tone is the only thing that's natural. Other than that it's all practice.
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From experience, I can say it CAN be learnt even if you have an unpleasant tonality in your voice. I'm not Ronnie James Dio or anything of course, but what I've learnt is to do what your voice naturally wants to do. My voice is hoarse and shrill but instead of fighting that I ran with it and now (because it seems that what my voice is naturally suited for) i sing in a growly/screechy tone. More suited for metal. You may have a soft and smooth voice so perhaps that would be what you strive to perfect. Overall, my point is not to fight your voice. Let it sound how it naturally is.
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#22
If you have breathing and a fully functioning voice, you can learn to sing, and I don't think I'm being naive when I'm saying that. If I can learn anyone can (granted everything UG has heard from me is shit but when I sleep regularly and have confidence I can be pretty good).

You will be limited in some ways (such as your range; everybody is limited in some way by this) but I have never (since actually taking lessons myself) agreed that there are just 'naturally shit' voices, or that it is just a naturally obtained talent that you have to be born with.

Edit: This is all assuming you haven't somehow damaged your voice.
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I think so, but like all natural talents, it must be nurtured properly or else that natural ability doesn't mean a thing. Michael Jordan has natural ability, but if he didn't work his ass off, he would have never been a good basketball player. Singing is the same.
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IMO there are alot of genetics involved with being a great singer. I think anyone can find their voice. Some of the best singers aren't technically great.
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Singing? No. Anyone can be dedicated, practice, and learn the correct techniques for pitch and breath control.

Having a good voice? Yes. While one can learn how to sing with grwat pitch and intonation, they may still have a shitty voice. Having a great and smooth sounding voice is an act of nature. It's why only so few people make it big.


TS, if I were you, I'd try out for the band and see what they think of how you sound. There is a possibility you're underestimating your capability. See what others think first before you make a judgement.

Honestly, for the longest time I've hated my voice and the way I sung, and thought everyone who complemented me was retarded, but more recently I've learned to appreciate my sound and ability, and have gotten requests tho join bands as a vocalist, something I never would have expected.
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Quote by Ian_the_fox
Singing? No. Anyone can be dedicated, practice, and learn the correct techniques for pitch and breath control.

Having a good voice? Yes. While one can learn how to sing with grwat pitch and intonation, they may still have a shitty voice. Having a great and smooth sounding voice is an act of nature. It's why only so few people make it big.


TS, if I were you, I'd try out for the band and see what they think of how you sound. There is a possibility you're underestimating your capability. See what others think first before you make a judgement.

Honestly, for the longest time I've hated my voice and the way I sung, and thought everyone who complemented me was retarded, but more recently I've learned to appreciate my sound and ability, and have gotten requests tho join bands as a vocalist, something I never would have expected.


it's funny when you're talking theory and bands and stuff. because it's really obvious you're retarded then.
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it's funny when you're talking theory and bands stuff. because it's really obvious you're retarded then.
Please elaborate. I fail to even see where the hell anything about theory is even mentioned.

My thoughts are that you're just being an annoying twat for the hell of it.
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Please elaborate. I fail to even see where the hell anything about theory is even mentioned.


Stuff is the important word. When you talk about that.
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Having a good voice? Yes. While one can learn how to sing with grwat pitch and intonation, they may still have a shitty voice. Having a great and smooth sounding voice is an act of nature. It's why only so few people make it big.


You're trying to discuss something highly subjective as an objective fact.

And what do you mean "only so few people make it big?" There's thousands of styles of singing and people are praising singers from all different styles and genres.

And how many singers are known for their great and smooth sounding voice rather than something else?

You're pulling crap out of your ass that you want to be the truth. It does not mean it's the truth.
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You're trying to discuss something highly subjective as an objective fact.

And what do you mean "only so few people make it big?" There's thousands of styles of singing and people are praising singers from all different styles and genres.

And how many singers are known for their great and smooth sounding voice rather than something else?

You're pulling crap out of your ass that you want to be the truth. It does not mean it's the truth.
If you had posted this first I would've been less hostile.

What I mean is, if a majority of people can tolerate a singer's voice, it's a good voice. Record labels (which granted, are on the fall but work for this example) want an artist that can create something a lot of people will buy, using popular artists from the past as examples. If hundreds of people can't stand to hear a certain guy's voice, the band doesn't sell.

Even without record labels, if a band is trying to independently promote their own work with a singer that sounds like a cross between Eddie Vedder and Patrick from Spongebob, they're not going to get very far.

Same idea works with toys, clothes, and food products. Why do you think Fruitopia was discontinued? So the head CEO's could get a good laugh? No, because it lost popularity.


One person not liking something is different from a wide majority of people disliking something.
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If you had posted this first I would've been less hostile.

What I mean is, if a majority of people can tolerate a singer's voice, it's a good voice. Record labels (which granted, are on the fall but work for this example) want an artist that can create something a lot of people will buy, using popular artists from the past as examples. If hundreds of people can't stand to hear a certain guy's voice, the band doesn't sell.

Even without record labels, if a band is trying to independently promote their own work with a singer that sounds like a cross between Eddie Vedder and Patrick from Spongebob, they're not going to get very far.

Same idea works with toys, clothes, and food products. Why do you think Fruitopia was discontinued? So the head CEO's could get a good laugh? No, because it lost popularity.


One person not liking something is different from a wide majority of people disliking something.


This does not really correlate with what you said earlier.
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I haven't seen anyone mention confidence, but I feel like that plays a big role in singing. When I'm in front of people singing and playing guitar, which is a very rare occurrence, I often hold back and don't feel confident to actually 'sing' and therefore I sound terrible. But when I record myself alone, I sound much better because I actually go all out because I know no one else hears it. So I'd say if you get your confidence down, you can sound good enough, but to have a good voice I'd say most of it is natural.
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#36
natural to some, but if you work hard enough, you can train it.

Matt Heafy from Trivium used to be not so great, he worked DAMN HARD on training his voice and now he sounds great.
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Quote by JohnnyGenzale
it's funny when you're talking theory and bands and stuff. because it's really obvious you're retarded then.


When Ian is talking anything it's really obvious he's retarded.
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This does not really correlate with what you said earlier.
-A singer needs a good sounding voice in order to make it big.

-A "Good Sounding Voice" is something a majority of the general public enjoys. That makes money.

That's the correlation.

Granted, there are more elements in an artist's music that help make it successful such as good lyrics and simplicity/listening ability, but often times the singer's quality is the most considered as that's what most of the GP can identify with.
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You know, i actually like Ian. His posts are entertaining.
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You know, i actually like Ian. His posts are entertaining.


He's got a good chunk of Axel's adorableness, but with the addition of two things:

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2) Unlike Axel, Ian has no valid excuse for expressing silly ideas, so it's even funnier knowing that he is completely serious.
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