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#41
Quote by MakinLattes
It's also kind of disgusting how you use whatever socially imposed privilege you have to leap to the defense of minority groups at every opportunity.

i'm sorry if my behavior is disgusting. i don't agree, but if you'd explain to me in what way it disgusts you then i'm liable to change my mind. :]
#42
Quote by blake1221
How is it disgusting? He's just leveling the playing field. And on top of that, he's not exactly wrong, is he?

It's hypocritical.

Sure, he's right. Next time I'm curious about this topic I'll just prance up to the nearest gay guy and ask him why he sounds like one of them queers. Because that's totally not awkward.
#43
Quote by JackWhiteIsButts
I'll bet the straight guys who talk like that only do so to trick their female friends into thinking that they're gay so they can totes get involved in their sexy slumber parties and they can practice kissing and determine who has the nicest breasts. Clever bastards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6zDygujgj4
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she was saying things like... do you want to netflix and chill but just the chill part...too bad she'll never know that I only like the Netflix part...
#44
Quote by due 07
considering you called the way a subset of gay men speak "weird," it does feel like that's where you're coming from.


I didn't mean it hatefully. It's something that I'd honestly never given much thought to until a few years ago as gay people began to be represented more in pop culture, especially in television, and I wondered, since of the gay people I've known in real life, some spoke with an accent and some didn't, if it was perpetuating a stereotype that all gay men are very flamboyant and such, especially since I'd never heard anyone specifically address the concept. I also probably should have worded my initial response more articulately. I'm honestly sorry if I offended anyone in any way.
#45
Quote by MakinLattes
It's hypocritical.

Sure, he's right. Next time I'm curious about this topic I'll just prance up to the nearest gay guy and ask him why he sounds like one of them queers. Because that's totally not awkward.

yeah, the better idea is to make a discussion aimed at straight people to randomly conjecture about it instead of actually finding out through other (more accurate and moral) means. because that's totally not dumb.

Quote by ManInTheBox14
I didn't mean it hatefully. It's something that I'd honestly never given much thought to until a few years ago as gay people began to be represented more in pop culture, especially in television, and I wondered, since of the gay people I've known in real life, some spoke with an accent and some didn't, if it was perpetuating a stereotype that all gay men are very flamboyant and such, especially since I'd never heard anyone specifically address the concept. I also probably should have worded my initial response more articulately. I'm honestly sorry if I offended anyone in any way.

i understand. :-)
#46
Quote by due 07
yeah, the better idea is to make a discussion aimed at straight people to randomly conjecture about it instead of actually finding out through other (more accurate and moral) means. because that's totally not dumb.

What would make it more moral?
#47
Quote by MakinLattes
It's hypocritical.


Can you please point out the hypocrisy? I'm failing to see it, honestly. He's the last person you'll find to crack a derogatory joke of any kind.

Unless it's about something completely frivolous like music tastes.
#48
I've met maybe one or two gay guys that talk like that. The rest talk like normal dudes.
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#49
Quote by due 07
yeah, the better idea is to make a discussion aimed at straight people to randomly conjecture about it instead of actually finding out through other (more accurate and moral) means. because that's totally not dumb.

It's not random in the least. I'm sure there have been studies on this speech pattern before, so that would be the best way to get to the bottom of this, and the most moral, instead of putting some poor person on the spot. If anyone cares enough. Do you? I don't. I just offered my own ignorant opinion and saw captain-save-a-marginalized-group come swooping in yet again.
#50
It's a social behaviour based on their contemporaries having adopted the camp style of holding oneself. It isn't forced per se, but it isn't their 'natural voice', much like the way you talk to a child isn't your natural voice.
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#51
Quote by blake1221
Can you please point out the hypocrisy? I'm failing to see it, honestly.

Yeah, you would. It would be a pretty long and boring explanation, but there's probably no other way for him to live so all is forgiven.
#53
Quote by willT08
What would make it more moral?

for starter's, the conversation could be more inclusive of not just "gay accent" folks, but queers as well. i mean reading this thread at first seemed like no one could imagine a 'gay accenter' reading their posts; from the very beginning no one made any effort as far as being inclusive goes. it was all very off-putting.
Quote by MakinLattes
Yeah, you would. It would be a pretty long and boring explanation, but there's probably no other way for him to live so all is forgiven.

i don't see it as hypocritical. privilege isn't opt-out yanno.

personally, i dig long and boring explanations so i'm all ears.
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#55
If it's not forced then it can be used as evidence of some kind of genetic trait of homosexuality. Which, honestly, would be cool. I'm of the mind that absolutely everything, down to your personality and interests, is at least influenced by your genetic makeup. I would be genuinely surprised if there wasn't some link between genes and sexual orientation.

Personally, I theorize that the gay lisp started as a way for gay people to identify each other in public, back when homosexuality wasn't open. Over time it simply became part of gay culture.

Although I wonder at what point in a gay person's life they sit down and go "I really need to start working on that lisp." Like, 15? 19? Do they get a tape recorder and practice?
Last edited by Seref at Jan 19, 2013,
#56
A guy I work with sounds pretty gay. In fact, I'm still not convinced he isn't. But everyone else says he isn't.
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#57
I honestly think it depends on if they're on the top or the bottom. I've found that generally the more submissive, feminine guys, who usually take it rather than give it, talk with the lisp while the ones who are on top or bisexual usually sound normal, like straight dudes almost.


If I could give an example, Jefree Starr vs. Rob Halford.
#58
Quote by due 07
for starter's, the conversation could be more inclusive of not just "gay accent" folks, but queers as well. i mean reading this thread at first seemed like no one could imagine a 'gay accenter' reading their posts; from the very beginning no one made any effort as far as being inclusive goes. it was all very off-putting.

Well it's not like this conversation is 'immoral' in any real sense. Some gay people being here to chat would make it better informed certainly, not so much moral.

The only thing I've found off-putting so far is your use of the word 'queers'. I don't even know why, it's just not a term we like to use in the UK.
#59
Quote by RetroGunslinger
Every single gay guy i've ever known has talked like that, although I know a straight who has it aswell

I've got some news for your friend...
#60
Almost all of the gay guys I've talked to had a noticeably different "accent" than other people, except for this one guy. I swear I don't know if he fakes the voice I heard because he was working at McDonald's and they don't allow gay employees or whatever but it really surprised me that he had one of the manliest voices I've ever heard, although I'm pretty sure I've heard him somewhere else and he sounded different, but I could be wrong.
#61
Quote by MakinLattes
It's hypocritical.

I don't follow how standing up for a group of people who are being mocked is hypocritical.
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#62
I dont know if it's a learned behavior or not, but when I was 8 years old I knew this kid who was absolutely effeminate in every way possible. He played with barbies, he spoke with a singsong lisp, he flailed his arms dramatically to express himself, and he later in life came out and said he was gay. I'm not sure where children learn this behavior, but this whole thing is a phenomenon and i've always wondered this.

It can probably go in with the whole is homosexuality a learned or genetic trait.
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#63
Quote by Ian_the_fox
I honestly think it depends on if they're on the top or the bottom. I've found that generally the more submissive, feminine guys, who usually take it rather than give it, talk with the lisp while the ones who are on top or bisexual usually sound normal, like straight dudes almost.


If I could give an example, Jefree Starr vs. Rob Halford.


Um, interesting take...
#64
Quote by Ian_the_fox
I honestly think it depends on if they're on the top or the bottom. I've found that generally the more submissive, feminine guys, who usually take it rather than give it, talk with the lisp while the ones who are on top or bisexual usually sound normal, like straight dudes almost.

Indeed

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she was saying things like... do you want to netflix and chill but just the chill part...too bad she'll never know that I only like the Netflix part...
#65
Quote by due 07
i don't see it as hypocritical. privilege isn't opt-out yanno.

personally, i dig long and boring explanations so i'm all ears.



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Well, that's rude.

I had a friend in middle school who spoke in this stereotypical manner. Guys in our class made a habit of shoving him into the girl's bathroom during lunch. One day we were giving presentations in social studies, and he came out to all of us. He started talking about how he came out to his family and how he was basically disowned, and that they told him they would send him back to the Philippines to "cure" him. It was truly heartbreaking to watch this tiny twelve year old break down in front of entire class.

I think it's rude to ask someone if the way they talk is natural or something they do to support themselves and their sexuality. It's an inconsequential curiosity.
#66
I think that was rather an exaggeration used to point out how googling the question was the obvious, simple and easy answer.

But that's very sad about your friend.
#67
Quote by The Madcap
and just about every gay guy I've met has that kind of effeminate and stereotypically gay way of talking.
Do you not realize a ton of gay people walk by you and interact with you all the time without ever giving you any hint that they're homosexual?

I guarantee every gay guy you've met didn't talk like that.

Just because someone isn't straight doesn't mean they have to wear a sign on their backs proclaiming it.
The reason you think every gay guy talks like that is because it's what you can spot out in a crowd, but in reality there are plenty of gay guys with very average voices.

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I presume it must be a choice by the person, to identify themself as gay
This.
Because some people do wish to wear said sign on their back.

There are also some homosexuals that do the whole dominant and submissive role thing so they might want to speak more feminine if they're more submissive maybe?

and of course there are some guys that just feel comfortable talking that way
I have met my fair share of guys that I knew where straight and talked in the flamboyant matter.

but I can't say I really know where the whole flamboyant lisp thing originated from.
however it isn't some package deal with homosexuality

but I can't imagine somebody's sexual preference being directly related to their natural voice.
This also applies for every other stereotype.
The only real thing sexual orientation is related to is who you're attracted to.
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#68
Quote by willT08
Well it's not like this conversation is 'immoral' in any real sense. Some gay people being here to chat would make it better informed certainly, not so much moral.

what i'm referring to are posts like this:

Although I wonder at what point in a gay person's life they sit down and go "I really need to start working on that lisp." Like, 15? 19? Do they get a tape recorder and practice?

how do you think that makes a gay person feel when they're reading it? it's like many people here don't give a fuck how they are making the subject of their curiosities feel.
The only thing I've found off-putting so far is your use of the word 'queers'. I don't even know why, it's just not a term we like to use in the UK.

don't you guys have that show queer as fuck or something?
#69
One of my roommates when I studied abroad was a gay guy who talked like a cartoon of a gay guy. It was cloying at first but you get used to it, and not all of them even talk that way.
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#70
Quote by TechnicolorType
Just because someone isn't straight doesn't mean they have to wear a sign on their backs proclaiming it.
They really should though, right?
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#71
The majority of gay people I know do talk like that. However I know one gay dude who seems completely straight. He doesn't dress, talk, or really act gay. I think it's more forced than anything. But you occasionally run into straight guys who talk almost the same way. Who the **** knows.
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#72
Quote by element4433
They really should though, right?


You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
#73
Quote by element4433
They really should though, right?
Why, do you have the words "IM STRAIGHT" on your forehead?
#74
Quote by TechnicolorType
Why, do you have the words "IM STRAIGHT" on your forehead?

...yes
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she was saying things like... do you want to netflix and chill but just the chill part...too bad she'll never know that I only like the Netflix part...
#75
Quote by blake1221
You know, the Jews had pieces of flair that the Nazis made them wear.
Good job Nazis. We gotta identify who's who.


I got the reference
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i kinda wish we all had a penis and vagina instead of buttholes

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#76
Quote by due 07
how do you think that makes a gay person feel when they're reading it? it's like many people here don't give a fuck how they are making the subject of their curiosities feel.

Have you ever heard of anthropology?
#77
They had the right idea. Labels help us identify who's different more easily.

I knew you would
#78
Quote by TechnicolorType
Do you not realize a ton of gay people walk by you and interact with you all the time without ever giving you any hint that they're homosexual?

I guarantee every gay guy you've met didn't talk like that.

Just because someone isn't straight doesn't mean they have to wear a sign on their backs proclaiming it.
The reason you think every gay guy talks like that is because it's what you can spot out in a crowd, but in reality there are plenty of gay guys with very average voices.
Jesus Christ, fine, every guy that I've known was gay has talked like that.

Yeah, I'm sure there are gay guys with non-stereotypically gay voices. I personally haven't known any. I'm sure I've interacted with some during my everyday behavior that I didn't know were gay. I wasn't trying to say if you're gay, you talk like Ross Matthews.
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#79
Quote by due 07
what i'm referring to are posts like this:

Although I wonder at what point in a gay person's life they sit down and go "I really need to start working on that lisp." Like, 15? 19? Do they get a tape recorder and practice?

how do you think that makes a gay person feel when they're reading it? it's like many people here don't give a fuck how they are making the subject of their curiosities feel.
Do you think I'm actually going to defend that post?

don't you guys have that show queer as fuck or something?
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#80
Quote by The Madcap
Jesus Christ, fine, every guy that I've known was gay has talked like that.

Did you know they were gay or did you assume they were based on their speech pattern?