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Hi there.

I´m thinking about byuing a PRS SE Tremonti - the "non-signature" cheaper one with fixed bridge. So far I couldn´t find a shop near me, where I could try it out myself, so I started searching for reviews. And I found one disturbing issue: some people complain about the guitar-body being too light, causing the head to fall.

Do you have personal experience with this issue? Is the balance problem really so bad? Or say: could you compare it to Gibson Les Paul Studio? I have that LP, no problem otherwise, but it has an annoyingly falling head. Don´t want another axe like that. Is it similar with that PRS? Or worse? Or less dramatic?

Thanx in advance for your experience.
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Quote by Airfish
Hi there.

I´m thinking about byuing a PRS SE Tremonti - the "non-signature" cheaper one with fixed bridge. So far I couldn´t find a shop near me, where I could try it out myself, so I started searching for reviews. And I found one disturbing issue: some people complain about the guitar-body being too light, causing the head to fall.

Do you have personal experience with this issue? Is the balance problem really so bad? Or say: could you compare it to Gibson Les Paul Studio? I have that LP, no problem otherwise, but it has an annoyingly falling head. Don´t want another axe like that. Is it similar with that PRS? Or worse? Or less dramatic?

Thanx in advance for your experience.

1. The PRS Tremonti SE is a sig model and it only comes in a hardtail

2. The body is solid Mahogany which is a heavier wood. I hev never heard of any neck dive problems with it or any PRS model at all. Now SG style guitars are notorius for neck dive.

3. I have owned and used many Gibson LP and other LP style guitars. they are heavier than most guitars, but they are fairly well balanced guitars
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It's called neck dive. I've never played the tremonti but I've played the santana and single cut se and they were very well balanced
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1. The PRS Tremonti SE is a sig model and it only comes in a hardtail

2. The body is solid Mahogany which is a heavier wood. I hev never heard of any neck dive problems with it or any PRS model at all. Now SG style guitars are notorius for neck dive.

3. I have owned and used many Gibson LP and other LP style guitars. they are heavier than most guitars, but they are fairly well balanced guitars



Hey man, thanx for the good news!

But still:

I guess it´s forbidden to put links here, so I have to write it out. I found two different versions of that PRS.

The exact name of the cheaper one is "PRS SE Tremonti BK/VC" (black/vintage cherry). It costs 555 euros (739 USD) in one of Europe´s major web-shops. And it´s a hardtail one.

The exaxt name of the expensive one is "PRS Mark Tremonti Trem CB (charcoal burst)" and it´s well over 3000 euros. And it has a PRS Up Route tremolo.

Now I believe the expensive one is heavy enough and well balanced, for that price, but do you think the cheaper one can be equally heavy, i.e. equally well balanced? I don´t mean the difference, made by the different bridge type, but a possibly different body shape (more/less bevelled) - I can´t tell it from the pictures....

Thanx for your patience with me....
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Hey man, thanx for the good news!

But still:

I guess it´s forbidden to put links here, so I have to write it out. I found two different versions of that PRS.

The exact name of the cheaper one is "PRS SE Tremonti BK/VC" (black/vintage cherry). It costs 555 euros (739 USD) in one of Europe´s major web-shops. And it´s a hardtail one.

The exaxt name of the expensive one is "PRS Mark Tremonti Trem CB (charcoal burst)" and it´s well over 3000 euros. And it has a PRS Up Route tremolo.

Now I believe the expensive one is heavy enough and well balanced, for that price, but do you think the cheaper one can be equally heavy, i.e. equally well balanced? I don´t mean the difference, made by the different bridge type, but a possibly different body shape (more/less bevelled) - I can´t tell it from the pictures....

Thanx for your patience with me....

The Tremonti SE is part of the PRS SE line these are made in Korea and are really a good guitar for the money. The PRS Mark tremonti is the USA made PRS SIG model that is why there is such a big price diffrence.

No the Tremonti Se is not as good as the USA model, but the SE is still well balanced andn pretty comfortable to play. The pickups in the SE are diecent, but ofcorse the USA has the better pickups.

The USA made Tremonti is an extremely heavy guitar, and the SE is deff lighter. There should not be any bad neck diving problems at all with it.

The PRS Tremonti SE is a good guitar for a good price (At least hear in the USA they are ~$550 new or 413€
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The Tremonti SE is part of the PRS SE line these are made in Korea and are really a good guitar for the money. The PRS Mark tremonti is the USA made PRS SIG model that is why there is such a big price diffrence.

No the Tremonti Se is not as good as the USA model, but the SE is still well balanced andn pretty comfortable to play. The pickups in the SE are diecent, but ofcorse the USA has the better pickups.

The USA made Tremonti is an extremely heavy guitar, and the SE is deff lighter. There should not be any bad neck diving problems at all with it.

The PRS Tremonti SE is a good guitar for a good price (At least hear in the USA they are ~$550 new or 413€


That´s what I needed to know, cheers man, and greetings to sunny Florida from snowy Slovakia!

As for the prices: well, lots of stuff is cheaper over the ocean, not just guitars and cars....

And as for those PUs, no big deal, I´m planning to change them anyway.... Thinkin´ about some passive HBs with a sweet singing semi-vintage / semi-modern tone, and definitely someting good for coil tapping. But I have a different thread on that topic....
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i have played so many guitars with neck dive. ugh. out of all the things that bug me on guitars neck dive is the worst. dont risk it, play it first. for me its almost impossible cause you have to hold the damn ting up with your left hand and try and play at the same time. more than likely has to do with sh*tty quality controll as they are probably made in china or korea or somewhere else in asia. i have a usa explorer with no issues. will never get anything else again for that reason almost being soley it
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i have played so many guitars with neck dive. ugh. out of all the things that bug me on guitars neck dive is the worst. dont risk it, play it first. for me its almost impossible cause you have to hold the damn ting up with your left hand and try and play at the same time. more than likely has to do with sh*tty quality controll as they are probably made in china or korea or somewhere else in asia. i have a usa explorer with no issues. will never get anything else again for that reason almost being soley it

PRS guitars as a whole are very well balanced guitars, even the SE models
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i have played so many guitars with neck dive. ugh. out of all the things that bug me on guitars neck dive is the worst. dont risk it, play it first. for me its almost impossible cause you have to hold the damn ting up with your left hand and try and play at the same time. more than likely has to do with sh*tty quality controll as they are probably made in china or korea or somewhere else in asia. i have a usa explorer with no issues. will never get anything else again for that reason almost being soley it


Well, I definitely don´t want to defend the Asians, there´s really a big pile of sh*t coming from them to the States and also to Europe. But my personal experience is different. The worst neck dive experience I´ve had, is my USA made Les Paul Studio. No sh*t. Otherwise the quality of that axe is A+, but I guess the horrible neck dive is caused by the carved body. Mahogany, but carved, i.e. very light. On the other hand, I have a Chinese Ibanez DN520 - it´s solid sapele wood (equally heavy, if not heavier than mahogany), really heavy as f**k, but perfectly balanced. Even my luthier couldn´t believe it, he said that was the best Chinese axe he´s ever seen. Maybe I was just lucky....

But yeah, I agree with you, I value other people´s advice, that´s why I´m asking for it, but I will definitely try to get that guitar in my hands before buying....
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A $550 guitar that you CANNOT properly adjust intonation on is ridiculous!

If you change gauge from what is was built with you may never get it to play in tune.

Buy a guitar you can adjust individual string intonation on. PRS screws you on the models they put this cheap azz bridge on.
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A $550 guitar that you CANNOT properly adjust intonation on is ridiculous!

If you change gauge from what is was built with you may never get it to play in tune.

Buy a guitar you can adjust individual string intonation on. PRS screws you on the models they put this cheap azz bridge on.

While I do agree the bridge is not the greatest, you can get a adjustable wraparound bridge for <$75.
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i have played so many guitars with neck dive. ugh. out of all the things that bug me on guitars neck dive is the worst. dont risk it, play it first. for me its almost impossible cause you have to hold the damn ting up with your left hand and try and play at the same time. more than likely has to do with sh*tty quality controll as they are probably made in china or korea or somewhere else in asia. i have a usa explorer with no issues. will never get anything else again for that reason almost being soley it

How does shitty quality control have anything to do with neck dive?
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A $550 guitar that you CANNOT properly adjust intonation on is ridiculous!

If you change gauge from what is was built with you may never get it to play in tune.

Buy a guitar you can adjust individual string intonation on. PRS screws you on the models they put this cheap azz bridge on.

I agree with this though, I hate those bridges. Nobody should have to pay $75 for the bridge that the guitar should have. It should already have it, even if it comes with a small upcharge.
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Quote by danvwman
A $550 guitar that you CANNOT properly adjust intonation on is ridiculous!

If you change gauge from what is was built with you may never get it to play in tune.

Buy a guitar you can adjust individual string intonation on. PRS screws you on the models they put this cheap azz bridge on.


WTF ?!?

You really can´t individually adjust intonation on that cheaper PRS? Well, I looked at that bridge on the pictures, and thought there would be some sort of adjusting inside, underneath.... Now if this is true, that´s a big problem, because I always change the string gauge. I tend to use heavier gauge than standard - up to 12-54....

Dammit....
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Sad thing is , they use that bridge on more expensive guitars, even the $5000 ones too.
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Sad thing is , they use that bridge on more expensive guitars, even the $5000 ones too.

Yeah My PRS CE22 has the Trem, wich is one of the best, if not the best vintage style trems there is
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You can always buy a new bridge.
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Check out the new Tremonti SE Custom, it's got a much thicker body and a trem. It's much closer to the USA version than the regular SE plus it comes with the 245 pickups.
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Thanx guys, but I definitely want a hardtail bridge. So I have to make up my mind: buying a new bridge, or moving elsewhere....
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I have the SE Tremonti and an SE Singlecut. Both are well balanced and sound great. A good value for a imported PRS... easily.

You can adjust the intonation on the PRS wrap-around hardtail. It has two set screws in the back of the tail piece in line with the posts. A couple of turns and you are all set.
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How does shitty quality control have anything to do with neck dive?

I agree with this though, I hate those bridges. Nobody should have to pay $75 for the bridge that the guitar should have. It should already have it, even if it comes with a small upcharge.

How does shitty quality control have anything to do with neck dive?

because im pretty sure gibson doesnt plan on their guitars all neck diving you door knob
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How does shitty quality control have anything to do with neck dive?

because im pretty sure gibson doesnt plan on their guitars all neck diving you door knob

You are literally too stupid to insult.

How does putting a strap button in the consistently same place make any difference if the position of it makes the neck dive to the floor?
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How does shitty quality control have anything to do with neck dive?

because im pretty sure gibson doesnt plan on their guitars all neck diving you door knob

The neck dive on SG's does not bother me at all and obviously it does not bother the millions of people who have bought them. Calling it shitty QC is just stupid and ignorant.

Gibson have a very good reputation for the great QC they have. How else would you explain their sales? A bunch of rich morons just trowing their money away?

I have noticed since I have joined here all the hate twards gibson is from people who don't want to afford a guitar that is as expensive as Gibson. And for the majority of those people, they really don't need to spend that much because they are hobby players, and that is absolutely fine. I have some things that are hobbies, and I do not spend the money on highend gear, because I cant justify spending that much for a hobby.

I play music what I consider professionaly because I make a good suplimental income and I really enjoy it. So this is one area I choose to spend money on good equipment So to me the high-end gear is waranted and justified.

There is some gear that I do shy away from, but that doesn't mean it is bad, low quality gear, just that I prefer something else. But what your saying is like me saying "Mercedes cars are crap because they cost so much money and I like hondas better"
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Gibson have a very good reputation for the great QC they have. How else would you explain their sales? A bunch of rich morons just trowing their money away?

hhahahahahahahaha have you eve been to a guitar center? and no im not to stupid to insult
think about this.

if you take 100 les pauls, and 10 have neck dives to them. then tell me......how good is the quality controll........weahter they were all suppose to have neck dive or not. it doesnt matter. not all are the same. hence bad quality control. now, go ahead and feel stupid.
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It's called neck dive. I've never played the tremonti but I've played the santana and single cut se and they were very well balanced



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Sure the name helps carry the price up, but they are known for great quality.
Again I'll ask you how does neck dive affect the build quality? That is the balance of the guitar. Some guitars are balanced much better than others, some are not.

And no Gibson are not all the same, they are hand made guitars that take very skilled workers to do the job.

Obviously your set in what you think, and thats fine, just don't try and push your opinon as fact on others. Just because you don't like something does not mean everyone else shares your view.
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your right, i think your retarded, but there are probably some who think your not
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Gibson have a very good reputation for the great QC they have. How else would you explain their sales? A bunch of rich morons just trowing their money away?

hhahahahahahahaha have you eve been to a guitar center? and no im not to stupid to insult
think about this.

if you take 100 les pauls, and 10 have neck dives to them. then tell me......how good is the quality controll........weahter they were all suppose to have neck dive or not. it doesnt matter. not all are the same. hence bad quality control. now, go ahead and feel stupid.

Nope, i'm still convinced you're stupid.
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You must really know a lot about Gibson guitars.

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i actually have a usa made gibson explorer, and have played many usa made gibsons oer the years, havent updated that in since i joined. so....
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your right, i think your retarded, but there are probably some who think your not


Your entitled to your opinion, but I'm sure most people have learned that you and a few others on these boards just like to stir up shit. and really don't care what your opinion is.

I was having a completly civil conversation stating facts and you throw out, nothing but opinions and nothing substantual.
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I just got a PRS Tremonti SE and I haven't had any problems with it. Yes, the stoptail bridge may be a problem to some as you can't adjust the strings individually, but if that's a problem for you take a look at the Tremonti SE Custom. Only costs about $700 new and comes with a trem bridge, which if you were to buy from PRS you'd actually save money. The question is whether or not you want maple or just mahogany.

I'd recommend getting it from Fret12 (Mark Tremonti's site or I guess technically his brother's). You can get a free copy of his instructional DVD (with a separate signed cover), an All I Was signed album cover, and the backplate on the guitar will be autographed also. You'll also get a PRS Signature magazine featuring Mark and a little poster of him. It only cost me $600 (includes $50 for 2 day shipping to Hawaii) for a Tremonti SE, so it's pretty much the best deal out there online. Here's the link to all the guitars the site offers.

http://store.fret12.com/Guitars-s/49.htm
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i got a prs se tremonti 2009 model(no tremolo) amazing guitar very well built lovely to play!had fender guitar,epiphone,bc rich,jackson but they not even comes closer to the prs se tremonti!the pups are not bad they are g&b pups they korean and they sweet..theres no problems of balance in this guitar mate,or bridge or intonation...the prs se guitar is great guitar will stick to u for a long time..it worth the money u pay for it!!! prs se tremonti,jackson flying v andy rhodes rx d10 duncan distortion bridge,peavey bandit transtube,distortion pedal digitech tl2 hardwire metal distortion..my neighbours ****ing hate me i do hate them too,bang ur ****ing head break some bones live free die free,**** politrics of parasites..
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I have the Tremonti SE hardtail version there is an SE version with a Trem. The guitar has very good intonation for a wraparound bridge (although I eventually changed it for a Schaller) and I have no neck dive.
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3 month old thread.

I'm pretty sure TS has bought a guitar by now.
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