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I found a MIM Strat less than a year old with hard shell case that I think I can negotiate for $400 for the guitar, road runner case, and Snark tuner. It appears to be in mint condition. I have also been looking at the Squier Classic Vibe Stratocaster '50s and '60s Electric Guitar. I have two guitars already with rosewood fret board and would like a maple neck I think. I know the MIM Strat with case and tuner for$400 is a deal, but want to get some opinions on the Squier Classic Vibe Stratocaster '50s specifically and the Squier Classic Vibe Stratocaster '50\'60s line generally.

Buy the used but mint MIM Strat or a new Squier Classic Vibe Stratocaster '50\'60s guitar? I've read where there's little difference between the MIM standard strats and the vibe series.

Also the '50s vibe guitars have Alnico III magnets whereas the '60s guitars have the Alnico V magnets. Is there a difference worth considering between the two pickups with those magnets?

Last edited by ConcertShooter at Jan 20, 2013,
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There is a difference, the MiM is much better.

If you get a shitty MiM then yea, maybe a good Vibe would be on par, but overall the MiM is a better sounding, better feeling, better constructed guitar.

Ultimately its down to you, and the pickups are a personal preference but I'd always take the MiM.

Lots of people like the CV, and if you play one and you like it that's fine, but I don't see how it's on par with the MiM.
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There is a difference, the MiM is much better.

If you get a shitty MiM then yea, maybe a good Vibe would be on par, but overall the MiM is a better sounding, better feeling, better constructed guitar.

Ultimately its down to you, and the pickups are a personal preference but I'd always take the MiM.
Thank you! Considering there's no tax, a case, and a Snark tuner, plus the guitar, if I can get him down to $400, I think it would be a deal for the MIM Strat. Assuming the guitar is a keeper of course. Last edited by ConcertShooter at Jan 20, 2013, Mephaphil No empty frets. Join date: Apr 2012 1,956 IQ Definitely have a play with it if you can and see if it's a keeper. Quote by Shredwizard445 Go ahead and spend your money, I don't care. It won't make you sound better. Quote by Shredwizard445 Sure upgrading your gear will make you sound better. ConcertShooter Banned Join date: Oct 2012 662 IQ Quote by Mephaphil Definitely have a play with it if you can and see if it's a keeper. Going to do just that. Talked with the owner last night. An older man that bought two guitars thinking he wanted to get back into playing as in his younger days. Kind of the story here with me, but I'm serious about it and am practicing, learning, and playing mine. He's asking$450 for everything which is still a good price as best I can tell. I have the same case for my Tele that cost around $90 plus tax. His Strat lists for$499 at GC plus tax of about $50 in this area. Again it's in mint condition as far as the pictures tell the story. Working most of the day. Need to travel about 45 minutes to his town and play it. It's been listed for a while now with some people offering him$200 for the guitar. Going to try and see him\it tomorrow.

Thanks again!
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Start at $300 Quote by Shredwizard445 Go ahead and spend your money, I don't care. It won't make you sound better. Quote by Shredwizard445 Sure upgrading your gear will make you sound better. halfj06 Registered User Join date: Dec 2009 565 IQ The only beef I have with mim fenders is that 70% I played at stores brand new had sharp edges from frets sticking out the side gregs1020 Hi mom! Join date: Dec 2007 10,786 IQ find a used G&L tribute for$350.
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I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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ihartfood
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yeah G&L tribute > MiM in my opinion. I love G&Ls though so maybe I'm a little biased.

The MiMs I've played have always had the best fret jobs i've ever used, never sharp or anything. I have that problem with every single squier though.

What do you y'all recommend for filing those down with?
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The only beef I have with mim fenders is that 70% I played at stores brand new had sharp edges from frets sticking out the side

That happens to basically any guitar during shipping as the wood changes shape due to climate. I've seen it happen on fifteen hundred dollar Gibsons and $1000 Scheters, too. Actually, I go by Dave, but there are already too many Daves on this forum. Fender MIM Stratocaster Fender Jaguar Bass Epiphone EJ200 Super Jumbo Fender Excelsior 13w Fender Rumble 100 V3 Eric Johnson Fuzz Face NYC Big Muff Pi Silver Hilton Old enough Join date: Aug 2011 812 IQ$400 would be a pretty good price for the package. $450 wouldn't even be bad. I like the MIM strats, once you swap out the pickups and touch them up a bit. I've had two now that I have gotten and fixed up. I wish I hadn't sold the one. After I had the fretboard PLEK'd it was one of the finest playing guitars I've ever touched. I've got the other one in for the treatment right now. Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster Epiphone Sheraton II, Seymour Duncan Jazz and '59. ESP Horizon NT II Epiphone Les Paul Custom Mesa 5:50 Express Egnator Rebel 30 Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister 18 halfj06 Registered User Join date: Dec 2009 565 IQ Quote by kangaxxter That happens to basically any guitar during shipping as the wood changes shape due to climate. I've seen it happen on fifteen hundred dollar Gibsons and$1000 Scheters, too.

Oh I agree and I believe fender makes a good product.. just the fact that 2 out of 10 I tried were smooth definitely was pretty lousy. All I'm getting at is watch them closely .. inspect everything and either save money to have some fret work or don't settle for the first one you find if it isn't great.. there's only a million mim fenders out there
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http://www.fender.com/series/artist/jeff-beck-stratocaster/

"Fender's Jeff Beck Stratocaster features...ceramic Noiseless™ pickups..."

It also features a price tag way to high. Especially for somone looking at mim's and squiers.
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It also features a price tag way to high. Especially for somone looking at mim's and ltd's...

My point is it has ceramic pups.
“You’re always learning about this thing every time you pick it up.” Keith Richards
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Oh I didn't know he asked about them.
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Going to pass on the MIM and Squier as I've found a Strat that beats all I've asked about and have considered, and the seller is letting me have it for $525 with original Fender case. It's a showroom mint condition Fender American Special Stratocaster® HSS Rosewood in 3-Color Sunburst identical in every way to this one. HSS with TexMex single coils in neck and middle and atomic humbuckers in bridge. Not going to celebrate until I exchange the cash and have guitar and case in hand. But in the meantime ... WOOT! Last edited by ConcertShooter at Jan 20, 2013, JustRooster Internet Bully Join date: Jan 2005 7,164 IQ Quote by gregs1020 find a used G&L tribute for$350.

Word.

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Word.
Played a used G&L Legacy in natural earlier this evening but the strings had rusted. It was in a local music store and have been there for some time. They want $390 for the G&L but I think I'm better served with the Fender® American Special Stratocaster HSS with rosewood and 3-color sunburst for just$135 more.

Also played a White MIM standard Strat that played very well. I found the tension on the strings to be less than my Les Paul, Epi ES339, and even the Modern Player Tele, but someone told me it could have had .9s on it whereas my guitars have .10s. I liked the feel, playability, and sound of the Stratocaster though regardless.
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Yeah the mia strat is the way to go if you can swing it
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The thread is about choosing between an MIM or CV. I don't think MIA is going to be in his price range.

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The thread is about choosing between an MIM or CV. I don't think MIA is going to be in his price range.
I switched the focus of the thread because I can swing it. Found the guitar in this post in this thread for $525 with hard shell case. It's in mint condition without so much as single speck of dust on it. It should be mine tomorrow or Tuesday. Last edited by ConcertShooter at Jan 21, 2013, JustRooster Internet Bully Join date: Jan 2005 7,164 IQ His first post says$400.

EDIT: You also linked me away from this thread back to this thread, then posted same image twice.

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His first post says $400. EDIT: You also linked me away from this thread back to this thread, then posted same image twice. I was looking at a MIM Strat standard for$400 with case. However, I found the above American Special Stratocaster HSS rosewood 3-color sunburst for $135 more. I can spend a little more and get this American guitar with better pickups. There have been some changes in the financial variables since my original post so I can make the American purchase happen. Thanks for all the replies. You all have been helpful. Edit: I merely redirected you to an earlier post that contained the same image. In that post I stated that I had found that guitar and could manage to purchase it instead of the MIM strat. Last edited by ConcertShooter at Jan 21, 2013, JustRooster Internet Bully Join date: Jan 2005 7,164 IQ Oh, balls. I didn't realize you started this thread. I totally misread it. Nevermind, then. Congrats on the find and cash! Quote by EyeNon15 Thats too bad, I was under the impression I was arguing something profound MrFlibble Puts a bangin' donk on it Join date: Apr 2008 4,127 IQ A3 and A5 magnets in Strat pickups produce a close enough tone that I wouldn't give it a second thought. The 60s having a rosewood board and the 50s having a maple one is a bigger and more important difference. As for the MIM Standard, that's the better platform for modding and that is really what this comes down to. If you want something right off the shelf, Squier. If you know you'll be chucking in your own pickups, tuners, bridges, etc, get the Fender. Yes, I know everything. No, I can't play worth a damn. A child is trafficked and sold for sex slavery every 30 seconds. Support Love146. ConcertShooter Banned Join date: Oct 2012 662 IQ Quote by MrFlibble A3 and A5 magnets in Strat pickups produce a close enough tone that I wouldn't give it a second thought. The 60s having a rosewood board and the 50s having a maple one is a bigger and more important difference. As for the MIM Standard, that's the better platform for modding and that is really what this comes down to. If you want something right off the shelf, Squier. If you know you'll be chucking in your own pickups, tuners, bridges, etc, get the Fender. I'll be picking up a Fender® American Special Stratocaster® HSS Rosewood 3-Color Sunburst as seen in the above images for$525 with Fender case. It comes with TexMex pickups in neck and middle position and atomic humbucker in bridge. USA made and I don't see any reason to have to mod this one.

I'm returning one of two guitars I purchased over the holidays and will have enough to purchase the above mentioned USA Strat that's in mint, showroom condition with roughly \$25 left over for a set up if needed, or new strings.
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Great choice and beautiful guitar!

Have fun with your real american strat
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What year is it, by the way? I've actually liked the Specials better than the Standards for the 2011/12 production line.

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the american special is a nice guitar.

the "atomic" humbucker is meh imo but that's easy enough to fix.

congrats!
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I don't think I've ever played anything in black walnut. It's a great ice cream flavor, so I assume it works well for a strat too.

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I have been fighting with the same question, I got a CV 50s and I made the right decision.... The fit and finish is amazing, the alnico 3 pups sound so so good, neck feels amazing (big plus over the mim).
Its not that the mims are sub standard, its that the CV is so damm good! We need tl stop rubbishing these Chinese guitars!
I had a modern player plus tele for a bit and that thing was much better in every way than the mexican guitars I played... In the end I was not happy with the pup config, needed that tele bridge unit that was missing.
I fhink it comes down to neck, if you are dancing all up and down the neck on a hot stage all night yoj might find the mim better with its satin neck, but if you want it as a chill guitar that feels nice in the hands... Go the CV!
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