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HeavyKaribean
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Hey everybody.
I'm making this topic in order to get some opinions about the future of the Heavy Metal. It has been a long time since I started listening to Heavy and Thrash Metal. Starting on Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Slayer (basically the classics) when i was a kid and going trough all the other bands like Kreator, Onslaught, Testament and even other types of Metal like Power Metal, Progressive, Doom etc.. Well I always had something new to listen. Until I had listen to basically everything from the old times. And now I get to a point where I can't find something that sounds really new and awesome. The last thing I really enjoyed was Machine Head "Unto the Locust" and even they seem to have adopted that kind of sound especially in the chorus that are easy to the ear. I don't know maybe I'm not looking well enough and there are a lot of good bands out there that I don't know. Or maybe the world is really lacking a good new and fresh wave of Heavy Metal.
What you think???
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I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at; are you trying to say that the music that kids these days listen doesn't have any soul, like it used to be back in the good ol' days?
There are plenty of bands still following in the well-traveled footsteps of the old school, if you're into that sort of thing. There are also plenty that are adding their own spin on things. If Machine Head is the most underground thing you've heard of so far, you're not trying hard enough.
If you like death metal, for example, have this neat new track by Gloria Morti: "Sleep Kill Regress Follow." That took me all of five seconds to bring up.
E: To get you started, follow metal blogs. Even though bloggers love to editorialize and do stupid shit, and metal blogs are no different, when they recommend something good, it's worth it.
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HeavyKaribean
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Nah I'm just saying that there is a lack of something fresh and new, like Thrash when it was first seen/listened..
And Machine Head is nothing underground. It is awesome. I said that the last thing I really enjoyed listening was their new album. And there is new bands that I like but most of them sound the same as the oldies. Like you following the footsteps but not really getting to something new.
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Nah I'm just saying that there is a lack of something fresh and new, like Thrash when it was first seen/listened.

If you think this, you haven't dug deep enough. There's always new sounds evolving. Hell, start listening to some newer Prog Metal, and you'll see what I mean immediately.

Edit:
Check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai8bUHYGB10
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There are always going to certain hoops a band HAS to jump through in order to be "metal" it seems, which does make the genre a tad limiting. Metal fans are very specific.

One of the reasons I have very little interest in being in a "tr00" metal band
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There are always going to certain hoops a band HAS to jump through in order to be "metal" it seems, which does make the genre a tad limiting. Metal fans are very specific.
Not really, other than the trait of, like, "being relevant to true metal bands" which is basically asking that a hardcore band play hardcore. Would you not be confused if a band dressed like Possessed made hardcore music espousing nihilistic, harshly anti-modern sentiment, and did not have breakdowns? It's about recognizing the fact that some music does not actually resemble metal at a structural or artistic level, but rather that people often confuse anything with distortion as having some relation to metal music which is simply not there beyond aspects of timbre.

The innovators of death/black metal made use of fully motif-driven composition, not unlike classical music (but on a much smaller scale), which lends itself to being able to express any emotion easily if one merely resets the melodies within different intervals, the idea of that one must fulfill certain musical traits to be true is more just based on logic, and a rejection of egalitarian values which would have one believe that everyone can just pick up instruments and make good unimpeachable music and everything is OK, when in reality, all that contributes to is more and more mediocre, unimaginative music, which certainly isn't a good thing, at least in my book. I think formal education on music should be promoted, personally, in the same way that a student of English learns that there are objective grammatical rules, and then learns how to actually use those grammatical rules in context.

Basically, you have to bear some relevance to an acknowledged extreme metal subgenre and try to work within the confines of that subgenre to create a new, "progressive" take on that subgenre, because at this point, there is just too much music for new bands to keep trying to "out do" each other aesthetically, that's why "technical death metal" sucks, it's meant to fulfill bpm wars and little else, which is what youthful death metal bands already did in the early 90s when 200 bpm was really, really fast. A return to traditional, classical values of art and composition must absolutely be encouraged, otherwise the stagnation present in modern music will only grow more and more savage. Civilization requires discontents to renew it and that includes the innovators of death metal and black metal, and new bands must aid this by progressing the genre, not through copying the aesthetic of older bands (which is what people often seem to think I mean when I say, "new bands must look to the past" but that is misinterpretation), but by absorbing the underlying ideas that drives that music and applying it to their own, uniquely ambitious works.

That Ascariasis band combined all the worst parts of the different kinds of metalcore into some weird hybridization of current trends, ugh. The clearly djent-oriented, out of place chorus melody was the most ridiculous.
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That's all well and good Steve, we're all very aware of your great vast knowledge of motif driven death metal by now. You're also pretty much filling in the "if it's new it's not metal" response that I've come to expect from most metal heads on the internet, albeit in a more complex way. If metal really has to be in such a narrow range I'm glad that indepth into it beyond just enjoying the odd Black Metal and Death Metal band.

But that still doesn't stop the fact that anything that sounds truly, NEW in metal, is for the most part, shunned. I'd like to hear any release from any tr00 band in the last few years that sounds markabley different (I'm not talking subtly) different that the rest of it. You're acting as if all that was metal in the 90's is all that can be metal now and you're not the only one. When was the last time we had a new METAL subgenre instead of being pushed out into something else?

In the last few years in Hardcore for example, you've had HM2core style bands like NAILS and Trap Them becoming popular as well as the Wave which took a different perspective on most of the aspects of Hardcore. I can't think of any "new" to come out of metal in the last few years that hasn't instantly been dismissed as "not metal" apart from Ishan's solo material.

Also as a student of English at Univeristy, the fact that there ARE objective rules means nothing. You can break them for the sake of artistic and poetic merit, hell even spelling things properly is optional if it's for a purpose. It's one of the first things you learn.
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You're also pretty much filling in the "if it's new it's not metal" response that I've come to expect from most metal heads on the internet
If this were actually the case, there would not be new Metal bands, and yet, there are-- just not many good ones.
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albeit in a more complex way. If metal really has to be in such a narrow range I'm glad that indepth into it beyond just enjoying the odd Black Metal and Death Metal band.
You are reacting to my words without actually understanding what they mean, to the point where I even said that motivically driven writing "lends itself to being able to express any emotion easily if one merely resets the melodies within different intervals". That writing process does not extend only to Metal, it also fully drives all Classical music, select few electronic artists, and a large amount of vintage Progressive Rock bands. There, you have four genres which on the surface, are all totally different, yet beneath that surface, all resonate with the immortal spirit of music which is written to express something epic and dramatic, beyond the mundanity of every day life, greater than the individual.
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But that still doesn't stop the fact that anything that sounds truly, NEW in metal, is for the most part, shunned. I'd like to hear any release from any tr00 band in the last few years that sounds markable different (I'm not talking subtly) different that the rest of it.
Why is an arbitrary, wild variance in sound a good thing? Metal bands which are new and distinct are not shunned, so long as they still play, uh, metal. Here you are projecting your own views onto what constitutes "new", which is clearly more oriented around the idea that if a band is aesthetically unfamiliar, it's "new". When you acknowledge that an object exists, do you also believe that that object has certain traits which it fulfills in its existence, no matter what circumstance that existence is within?
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In the last few years in Hardcore for example, you've had HM2core style bands like NAILS and Trap Them becoming popular as well as the Wave which took a different perspective on most of the aspects of Hardcore. I can't think of any "new" to come out of metal in the last few years that hasn't instantly been dismissed as "not metal" apart from Ishan's solo material.
You do not keep up to date with the underground scene, so you obviously are not familiar with it.
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Also as a student of English at Univeristy, the fact that there ARE objective rules means nothing. You can break them for the sake of artistic merit. It's one of the first things you learn.
As long as you break them in a way that is not arbitrary and retarded, such as in Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian which is curiously devoid of much punctuation, yes, otherwise you are essentially being "artistic" for the sake of it, which basically defines hipsterdom to a T: being a caricature of something else. Why do something for literally no reason? I don't think placing logic upon reality is a bad thing.

However, this is still a fair point. I'm not obsessed with music being written in a key, though, otherwise I wouldn't listen to Metal, which is written from a purely chromatic standpoint. I'm more concerned with, like, how the sentences (individual phrases, not "parts") compliment each other.

I'm also off to school myself now, so I will have to truncate my participation in this discussion for the moment.
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'True metal' is just so limited maaaannnnn, I mean, between Queensrÿche, Bolt Thrower and Cathedral it's like there's no room for maneuver or experimentation. Silly genre elitists.
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'True metal' is just so limited maaaannnnn, I mean, between Queensrÿche, Bolt Thrower and Cathedral it's like there's no room for maneuver or experimentation. Silly genre elitists.
Cathedral is just a Burzum ripoff, clearly you're not kvlt enough to grasp this, bro
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Cathedral is just a Burzum ripoff, clearly you're not kvlt enough to grasp this, bro


Yeah well get this. Iron Maiden are famous for using harmony guitars right? What other bands use harmony guitars? Metalcore bands. Clearly, Iron Maiden were just ripping off the In Flames ripoffs.

WHERE IS YOUR TRUE METAL NOW?!?!?!
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Why is an arbitrary, wild variance in sound a good thing? Metal bands which are new and distinct are not shunned, so long as they still play, uh, metal. Here you are projecting your own views onto what constitutes "new", which is clearly more oriented around the idea that if a band is aesthetically unfamiliar, it's "new". When you acknowledge that an object exists, do you also believe that that object has certain traits which it fulfills in its existence, no matter what circumstance that existence is within?


Wild variance is good because stagnation is a bad thing, it's tedious. Which is what metal seems to tend towards.

And if I'm projecting, then so are you, where in the "great bible of metal" does it say that "And He looked upon his Blast Beats and motif driven death metal, and he saw it was good"? Treating music as an object just doesn't sit with me. It is not a THING it is a concept, a collection of sounds that only have rules because we as human beings, have given those sounds rules. There is nothing scientifically right about either of our views, I just find yours tends towards limiting what bits of squiggly air I'm allowed to call metal or not.

And let me just test your theory. If a band sounded like BMTH, yet had motif driven writing based around a narrative and inner dark emotion and death. Would you class it as metal, or would you take one listen to it and claim it was "not metal" and was crap?

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You do not keep up to date with the underground scene, so you obviously are not familiar with it.


Then show me some new and interesting metal... and explain WHY it is new and interesting as I'll readily admit my knowledge of Death Metal is not as thorough as you.
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I just find yours tends towards limiting what bits of squiggly air I'm allowed to call metal or not.


I'll call that collection of paper with writing on a spatula goddammit, and ain't no metalheads gonna stop me.

If a band sounded like BMTH, yet had motif driven writing based around a narrative and inner dark emotion and death.


Do I even need to explain why this is funny.
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HeavyKaribean
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Well I guess hoping for simple answers to simple questions is out of the equation.
I just want to know if you have found a nowadays band that you can say "This shit sounds fresh and new and they can really go somewhere". And when I say go somewhere I mean reaching a level like Big 4, Iron Maiden and stuff like that. Or if you think that is impossible to a band from nowadays in Heavy Metal to reach such iconic levels like this ones that everybody knows about.

And finally, I think some of you are just trying to sound clever and provided of amazing knowledge but you are just talking shit that no one cares about and are of no use.
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Do I even need to explain why this is funny.


It wouldn't happen and I know it. It was a hypothetical exercise based around Steve's ideas on what is and is not allowed in Metal.

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'True metal' is just so limited maaaannnnn, I mean, between Queensrÿche, Bolt Thrower and Cathedral it's like there's no room for maneuver or experimentation. Silly genre elitists.


And my point was not that all metal sounds the same, it's that there seems to be a contrivance around what is and is not allowed for something to be metal and all we have now in terms of subgenre or styles is all we'll ever have.
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HeavyKaribean
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Lol the last 2 comments were very useful geez thanks.

Between "plenty of true metal bands" (that i suppose you want me to guess) and "queensryche sucks" I can't really choose wich of you has is mouth filled with the greater amount of shit.

If you have nothing productive to say, just keep it to yourselves.
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Lol the last 2 comments were very useful geez thanks.

Between "plenty of true metal bands" (that i suppose you want me to guess) and "queensryche sucks" I can't really choose wich of you has is mouth filled with the greater amount of shit.

If you have nothing productive to say, just keep it to yourselves.


;-; y u do dis? y u so meen?

If you're wanting new Metal bands of any subgenre, I can give you some. Dodecahedron, Miasmal, Pharaoh, Atriarch, Dark Forest, Ascariasis(Fuck you Steve), Fallujah, and so on & so forth.

For bands that have made a legit new subgenre? I can't think of any, sorry.

Oh yeah, Slice The Cake are really good. c:
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I do enjoy a bit of Dodecahedron.

Though yet again the people I know who like Black Metal heard them and said "this is not black metal"

Do you understand my cynicism with metal heads yet?

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there's plenty of new "true" metal bands...


I never claimed otherwise, but are they doing anything new?
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Lol the last 2 comments were very useful geez thanks.

Between "plenty of true metal bands" (that i suppose you want me to guess) and "queensryche sucks" I can't really choose wich of you has is mouth filled with the greater amount of shit.

If you have nothing productive to say, just keep it to yourselves.


uhh, my comment was directed at the conversation directly above my post...
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I've come to a point where I give only nano****s to people about Metal classification. I've been listening to shit tons of Math Rock, Post-Hardcore, and widdly J-Rock lately, so I don't care much right now about what's Metal and what's not.
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I do enjoy a bit of Dodecahedron.

Though yet again the people I know who like Black Metal heard them and said "this is not black metal"

Do you understand my cynicism with metal heads yet?


well, maybe they aren't? (I've never listened so I don't know), but I don't consider WITTR black metal anymore, and I still enjoy two hunters, it's not really that big of a deal.
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I've never thought of them as Black Metal, honestly. I can see how someone would make that call, but it doesn't sound like it.
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They sound more like Black Metal than any other kind of metal.
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Wild variance is good because stagnation is a bad thing, it's tedious. Which is what metal seems to tend towards.
Stagnation is terrible, yes, but what you are describing is essentially like painting a wall green which progressively grows darker while still being "green"... and then, just putting in a splash of purple for no real reason, other than that it's just different, so that's okay.
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And if I'm projecting, then so are you, where in the "great bible of metal" does it say that "And He looked upon his Blast Beats and motif driven death metal, and he saw it was good"? Treating music as an object just doesn't sit with me. It is not a THING it is a concept, a collection of sounds that only have rules because we as human beings, have given those sounds rules. There is nothing scientifically right about either of our views, I just find yours tends towards limiting what bits of squiggly air I'm allowed to call metal or not.
Well, my views are essentially based on applying logic to music, instead of listening to something and then interpreting my emotional response to that, which is what you and just about everyone else does.

Metal has been based around the interplay and resurgence of melodies since Black Sabbath, as opposed to transitions between fixed points. Slayer have it, Celtic Frost have it, even Motorhead. So, it's not me really deciding this arbitrarily, it's me listening to all these older bands which defined the style, and then listening to newer bands which help continue (not just reproduce) that style, and then realizing that all of these very new bands (by this, I mean metalcore, and "progressive metal" which is djent... which, itself, is really just a stylistic variation of metalcore), farrrr more often than not, just do not have much in common with Heavy Metal other than timbre and some tangential aspects of songwriting. It's something which is, like, plainly obvious to those who make an effort to understand Metal's collective history, as opposed to only metal released in the past, say, 10 years, instead of the past 43 (though, of course, I don't expect you to care about Metal history as much as I do, but this conflict of perspective is more or less the issue at the crux of this debate).
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And let me just test your theory. If a band sounded like BMTH, yet had motif driven writing based around a narrative and inner dark emotion and death. Would you class it as metal, or would you take one listen to it and claim it was "not metal" and was crap?
This argument transposed:

If X = X, yet is actually Y, is X still Y? That doesn't make any sense, so clearly the answer here is no. BMTH is the band they are because they write vapid post-hardcore music which is aesthetically "hard" but moves, speaks and progresses as if it were rock/pop music. Their music doesn't "sound" like dark emotion, and death, which is what using motifs is all about-- selecting melodies that are indicative of a certain emotion so that you have context/direction, repeating those melodies with slight variations to provide variation, and assembling it all in a way that does not compromise the initial intent of those basic motifs, and so that each part is, in reality, flowing and unified, not flowing and unified in the mind of the listener themselves.

There is extremely dark Classical music which is absolutely representative of the sort of composition you have described, and certainly isn't Metal, and I like that, so... there is your answer, I guess.

More than that, it's not just about the song's structural traits, but also the artist's intent and how well that music fulfills that intent. So, if BMTH were well-written music, I would probably listen to them, think "this is well-written music" and leave it at that, because it's not as if I only listen to Metal. I like all different kinds of music, though I listen to some for entirely different reasons than that which I apply to Metal, Progressive Rock and Classical. It's all about acknowledging that there is such a thing as quality in music and then forming standards by which that quality can be measured (cohesion/focus/ambition/effectiveness, as examples).
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Then show me some new and interesting metal... and explain WHY it is new and interesting as I'll readily admit my knowledge of Death Metal is not as thorough as you.
OK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRSesSiu360

We have what appears to be merely well-executed Demilich (a superb band who I would absolutely recommend listening to) worship, creating death metal with the intent of presenting an otherworldly atmosphere and using fairly atypical, almost exotic note choice, and yet, in Chthe'ilist, you also have a pronounced influence from doom metal and Timeghoul in the presence of slow, extended, darkly consonant passages, something never touched upon by Demilich. And as far as aesthetic relation is concerned (though this means little), there's also keyboards and virtuosic guitar solos in Chthe'ilist, which is nowhere in Demilich.

In addition to this, there is more emphasis on creating a sense of flowing direction within the individual riffs/melodic phrases before the accompaniment (drums/vocals) of those riffs also change to create an entirely new section. It's clearly music written out of a reverence for the ancient, and yet speaks with its own distinct voice, and is, of course, covered in motifs (so the parts are unified, and work towards a goal-- instead of the lack of unity being parts being the goal). One of the absolute best modern death metal bands for sure, and the best death metal release of 2012 (the average metal tourist would probably say Cattle Decapitation or Aborted instead-- an absurd notion).

Hopefully that will help put everything into perspective better.
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That's funny, you crack me up Morpho.
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That's funny, you crack me up Morpho.
I must confess that I myself am fairly indifferent to this band. Could you provide an example of their most noteworthy material for me?
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Hey everybody.
I'm making this topic in order to get some opinions about the future of the Heavy Metal. It has been a long time since I started listening to Heavy and Thrash Metal. Starting on Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Slayer (basically the classics) when i was a kid and going trough all the other bands like Kreator, Onslaught, Testament and even other types of Metal like Power Metal, Progressive, Doom etc.. Well I always had something new to listen. Until I had listen to basically everything from the old times. And now I get to a point where I can't find something that sounds really new and awesome. The last thing I really enjoyed was Machine Head "Unto the Locust" and even they seem to have adopted that kind of sound especially in the chorus that are easy to the ear. I don't know maybe I'm not looking well enough and there are a lot of good bands out there that I don't know. Or maybe the world is really lacking a good new and fresh wave of Heavy Metal.
What you think???



I think metal is dying out - most people have socially advanced since then, and the metal culture is obsolete now (well at least in the UK anyway). Metal music died out in the 90's. I don't think metal was even in the top 10 charts since the 90's. But I'm sure there will be some indie metal bands around. Doom, Power metal, death - 99% of the population when they these terms just think "That music is for angry kids on an Xbox 11 out of 12 hours a day, and the other hour is spent injecting narcotics and having a shower once every millennium." And most people wouldn't want to be associated with that image - it's not cool. Don't reply back getting abusive with me, I'm just stating facts, not what I think. I'm stating what the POPULATION think about it. Not people on this forum, or even musicians in general. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't ever listen to metal, but if you personally love it, then that's great, for you. I don't think metal has ever been popular in the UK, it's mainly an american thing. The closest thing to metal in the UK is motorhead, but it isn't metal at all, more like hard rock. UK has the best music anyway like The Stone Roses, Oasis, The Beatles, Coldplay, Blur etc... I'd say Canada has the worst!
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The Queensrÿche EP is one of the first power metal records. So that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_WUaMci6qo

Also The Warning and Rage for Order. Things kind of went a bit, um, downhill after that, admittedly. But Geoff Tate's voice is too good for me to permit anyone laying down a universal 'QR suck' statement
Huh, that song was actually quite good compared to everything else I've heard by them (mostly Operation Mindcrime), so cheers for that. And I have to say, vocals mean next to nothing to me but yeah, the dude is (was?) an excellent vocalist. He reminds me of Halford, though with a higher singing voice.
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Metal music died out in the 90's.
No.
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I don't think metal was even in the top 10 charts since the 90's
lol
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But I'm sure there will be some indie metal bands around. Doom, Power metal, death - 99% of the population when they these terms just think "That music is for angry kids on an Xbox 11 out of 12 hours a day, and the other hour is spent injecting narcotics and having a shower once every millennium." And most people wouldn't want to be associated with that image - it's not cool.
Heavy metal is not for "most people".
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Stop crying your heart out, love. I have stated a fact. You fail to understand that all of the stars are fading a way - this isn't too bad so please try not to worry, I am sure that there is a chance that you could see them some day. So I would advise you to take what you need out of the music, then be on your way to your guitar and then I would suggest that you stop crying your heart out.
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I think metal is dying out - most people have socially advanced since then, and the metal culture is obsolete now (well at least in the UK anyway). Metal music died out in the 90's. I don't think metal was even in the top 10 charts since the 90's. But I'm sure there will be some indie metal bands around. Doom, Power metal, death - 99% of the population when they these terms just think "That music is for angry kids on an Xbox 11 out of 12 hours a day, and the other hour is spent injecting narcotics and having a shower once every millennium." And most people wouldn't want to be associated with that image - it's not cool. Don't reply back getting abusive with me, I'm just stating facts, not what I think. I'm stating what the POPULATION think about it. Not people on this forum, or even musicians in general. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't ever listen to metal, but if you personally love it, then that's great, for you. I don't think metal has ever been popular in the UK, it's mainly an american thing. The closest thing to metal in the UK is motorhead, but it isn't metal at all, more like hard rock. UK has the best music anyway like The Stone Roses, Oasis, The Beatles, Coldplay, Blur etc... I'd say Canada has the worst!


Does Metal have to be on the top 10 charts? Jazz isn't on the top 10 charts, neither is Classical, so are these forms of music obsolete and need not be listened to?

As for the Xbobx comment; I don't own an Xbox 'cause I hate the things, I do, however, own a Ps3 and play CoD and Battlefield on it from time to time. When I play those games, games which people base that stereotype on, it's usually Pop music they have playing and rarely ever play anything that has any semblance of Metal. You also pulled "99%" out of your ass, so don't call that a fact.

Pretty sure you guys have plenty of Metal, mostly because Europe churned out some of the best Metal in it's history.

Also, to state that your country has the "best" music scene is ridiculous.
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#38
Yeah, pretty clear they're just fishing around at this point.
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#39
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Stop crying your heart out, love. I have stated a fact. You fail to understand that all of the stars are fading a way - this isn't too bad so please try not to worry, I am sure that there is a chance that you could see them some day. So I would advise you to take what you need out of the music, then be on your way to your guitar and then I would suggest that you stop crying your heart out.

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#40
Quote by Supersonic-95
I think metal is dying out - most people have socially advanced since then, and the metal culture is obsolete now (well at least in the UK anyway). Metal music died out in the 90's.


Some may argue that most true metal is dead because of the lack of ground breaking bands. But there are still plenty of bands producing decent albums, whether or not anything rivals the classics is up for debate. But there's bands that show promise, and make good metal if nothing else.

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I don't think metal was even in the top 10 charts since the 90's.


irrelevant, metal has never been music for the masses

Quote by supersonic-95
But I'm sure there will be some indie metal bands around. Doom, Power metal, death - 99% of the population when they these terms just think "That music is for angry kids on an Xbox 11 out of 12 hours a day, and the other hour is spent injecting narcotics and having a shower once every millennium." And most people wouldn't want to be associated with that image - it's not cool. Don't reply back getting abusive with me, I'm just stating facts, not what I think. I'm stating what the POPULATION think about it. Not people on this forum, or even musicians in general.


There's idiot fans of every subgenre. If I get labelled like that, I can either:
a) prove to people I meet that I am not
b) not care what "the population" thinks of me or my music taste.

However, by in large, fans of extreme metal are usually more intelligent (relatively) and your facts usually only apply (if at all) to tourist metalheads, eg: pantera fans. And even then I'm sure there's some cool pantera fans...
Believe it or not, the population is often wrong about many things, so it doesn't matter f it's what you or they think, it's not true.

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I mean don't get me wrong, I don't ever listen to metal,

They how can you have a conversation about it if you don't know what you're talking about?

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I don't think metal has ever been popular in the UK, it's mainly an american thing.

Here's a good example of you not knowing what you're talking about...

[qupte="supersonic"] The closest thing to metal in the UK is motorhead, I'd say Canada has the worst!

Here is a list of over 3000 metal bands from the UK:

http://www.metal-archives.com/lists/GB

And here is a list of over 2000 bands from Canada:

http://www.metal-archives.com/lists/CA

Canada has been very influential in the war metal scene and had/has produced some classic death metal albums.


TLR - you don't know enough about metal to be criticizing it.