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#161
the metal scene will collapse due to the rise of fat elitist keyboard warriors who can't open their mind to new styles of metal and hate anything that tries to be different.


She's so pretty in her casts
The prettiest thing I've ever seen
I only get to hold her when she's injured
I only get to kiss her where she's sore
#162
Quote by pwnadgebunny
the metal scene will collapse due to the rise of fat elitist keyboard warriors who can't open their mind to new styles of metal and hate anything that tries to be different.


If this is aimed at me then I'll have you know that I have lost 15 pounds in the last month!
#163
Quote by Kytokinesis
So Helloween, Running Wild, Manowar, and Black Sabbath are just rock bands mislabeled as metal? Swear to god this just got 100x worse

I've always thought of Deep Purple and Uriah Heep as rock bands. I see them labeled as metal a lot, but I've never seen a particularly strong justification (kind of like how Zeppelin gets called metal).
#164
First of all, I will not call anybody crazy. You just have a different opinion, something I respect, honestly. I think that nu metal for example sounds more like hip-hop. I cann't call every genre that uses heavily distorted guitars "Metal". In addition I like HEAVY METAL. You can also call Slayer or Canniball Corpse "surface level metal bands", because it's very easy to find them. But I don't listen to them. Just read lyrics and hear the melody of Iron Maiden, and I really want you to give me your opinion. Thanks!
#166
Quote by Lead_Guitar89
I thing that Metal started by people that they wanted to create a style of music similar to rock and blues, but with a different lyrical content. Glam Metal is commercial music about sex, Death and Black Metal are insulting people's beliefs.
According to former Gorgoroth vocalist Gaahl, "Black Metal was never meant to reach an audience.... [We] had a common enemy which was, of course, Christianity, socialism and everything that democracy stands for."
True Heavy Metal is a genre that makes people to think about different subjects, to give power to everyone who loves it.

I don't think lyrics have anything to do with it, it's more a compositional thing. As mentioned before Black Metal was a reaction to Death Metal, which was an extreme form of Thrash Metal, which was a mixture of traditional heavy metal and punk, which sort of came from rock. I think there's more to black and death metal than insulting beliefs too. Lyrics don't make a genre though, musical features do.
#167
Quote by Morphogenesis26
"Death and Black Metal are insulting people's beliefs."

Your world was made for you by someone above
But you choose evil ways instead of love
You made me master of the world where you exist
The soul I took from you was not even missed

That's from 'Lord Of This World' by Black Sabbath. Sounds like it's saying God is real and that anyone that does not do what he say's is evil. My Atheism has been insulted, how dare Black Sabbath! They aren't real Metal because they insulted my beliefs!


You see how ******ed that sounds? Especially when the majority of Metal music contains lyrics that go against the status quo of society, usually in a manner that would be considered "insulting".

Would you prefer passive lyrics that are all, "Oh, I think this, but I could totally be wrong and you could be right, "? Does that sound like something that will make people legitimately think differently about a subject?

Hell, this is completely ignoring all the lyrics from Death and Black Metal that are actually "nice". Go listen to Arcane Sun, Cynic, Lykathea Aflame, Kawir or something.

Did ever Black Sabbath used bad language for your atheism?
#168
Quote by Lead_Guitar89
Did ever Black Sabbath used bad language for your atheism?


Why does that matter?
#169
Quote by Kytokinesis
So Helloween, Running Wild, Manowar, and Black Sabbath are just rock bands mislabeled as metal? Swear to god this just got 100x worse

I can't believe it!!!!
#170
Quote by Lead_Guitar89
In addition I like HEAVY METAL. You can also call Slayer or Canniball Corpse "surface level metal bands", because it's very easy to find them

I can, and I do. That's not to say that they're bad, but it'd be silly for me to say that I was a huge death metal fan having only ever listened to Cannibal Corpse and Vital Remains. It's equally unfeasible to insist that [insert black/death/subgenere du jour here] isn't "real" metal when you don't have enough background in that music to call it either way.

By way of example, you'd be right to say Shai Hulud is not metal, but you would likely be unable to offer any objective reason for it. You'd be wrong to say that Dark Funeral is not metal and you would not be able to form any objective argument to back up that claim.
#171
Quote by Morphogenesis26
Why does that matter?

I never feel insulted if someone tries to say I'm wrong, but when he talks badly for my beliefs, I want to kick his ass!
#172
Quote by Lead_Guitar89
I never feel insulted if someone tries to say I'm wrong, but when he talks badly for my beliefs, I want to kick his ass!

I think what Morpho is getting at is that the song's lyrics are proselytizing. It's not that they're profane, but they're pushing one ideology over another, which is something which you claim invalidates a band's claim to being "metal".
#173
Quote by Geldin
I think what Morpho is getting at is that the song's lyrics are proselytizing. It's not that they're profane, but they're pushing one ideology over another, which is something which you claim invalidates a band's claim to being "metal".

I claimed that bad language when it comes to beliefs insults me as a person. And I mean any beliefs, not just mine! Proselytizing is a bad thing, but whoever wants to avoid it, can avoid it! When I listen to "Thor" of Manowar, I don't feel like I believe in Odin, Thor, Valhalla etc
#174
And I want you to tell me your opinions on how you can characterize a song's genre? Is it easy for you to put some boundaries?
#175
What? If a song has aspects of some genre or sub-genre of Music then that is what I will call it when asked what genre it is. It's really as simple as that.
#177
Quote by Lead_Guitar89
I think that it would be usefull if I tell you what bands I like: Iron Maiden, Manowar, Accept, Helloween, Deep Durple, Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, Savatage, Megadeth, Running Wild, Motorhead, that kind of Metal I like!!!

IMO Accept is pretty much glam metal. Listen to the early 80s glam bands like WASP and Mötley Crüe's two first albums (listen to Red Hot by Mötley Crüe, it sounds like some basic British metal track with those guitar harmonies and double kick drum beat and everything). They are pretty similar to Accept. The early glam bands had pretty much in common with bands like Judas Priest. Of course the late 80s glam has very little to do with metal. But I would call that genre "pop metal" (for example Def Leppard's Hysteria belongs to that genre, I think it's a good album though). Also listen to Whitesnake 1987 album and tracks like Bad Boys and Still of the Night. I would say that's pretty metal. And it's also glam metal.

But I think glam metal was more like the style the bands dressed up. Now when I listen to early thrash, NWOBHM and early glam songs, they have pretty much in common. I think glam was so hated among thrash fans because of how they dressed like girls, not because of the music.
Quote by AlanHB
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#178
Quote by MaggaraMarine
IMO Accept is pretty much glam metal. Listen to the early 80s glam bands like WASP and Mötley Crüe's two first albums (listen to Red Hot by Mötley Crüe, it sounds like some basic British metal track with those guitar harmonies and double kick drum beat and everything). They are pretty similar to Accept. The early glam bands had pretty much in common with bands like Judas Priest. Of course the late 80s glam has very little to do with metal. But I would call that genre "pop metal" (for example Def Leppard's Hysteria belongs to that genre, I think it's a good album though). Also listen to Whitesnake 1987 album and tracks like Bad Boys and Still of the Night. I would say that's pretty metal. And it's also glam metal.

But I think glam metal was more like the style the bands dressed up. Now when I listen to early thrash, NWOBHM and early glam songs, they have pretty much in common. I think glam was so hated among thrash fans because of how they dressed like girls, not because of the music.

I thing Glam Metal has also different lyrical subjects
#179
Quote by Lead_Guitar89
I thing Glam Metal has also different lyrical subjects

Not really. I mean, not every glam metal song is about girls, girls, girls. Same as not every thrash metal song is about nuclear war or Satan or whatever. Listen to Metallica, they have a lot of different subjects in their lyrics and they are thrash metal. The lyrics don't have anything to do with the musical genre. I mean, then Slayer would be black metal (it's thrash). I mean, Mötley Crüe had songs like Shout at the Devil. And they were "flirting" with satanism in their early years (I mean, look at their Shout at the Devil logo). Does that make them black metal? No, they are glam metal. It's musical style, not lyrical style.

And Accept also has songs about girls. Listen to Turn Me On (that's a great track ). That's really glam lyrics, almost reminds me of Steel Panther.
Quote by AlanHB
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Yamaha FG720S-12
Yamaha P115
Last edited by MaggaraMarine at Feb 5, 2013,
#180
Quote by MaggaraMarine
Not really. I mean, not every glam metal song is about girls, girls, girls. Same as not every thrash metal song is about nuclear war or Satan or whatever. Listen to Metallica, they have a lot of different subjects in their lyrics and they are thrash metal. The lyrics don't have anything to do with the musical genre. I mean, then Slayer would be black metal (it's thrash). I mean, Mötley Crüe had songs like Shout at the Devil. And they were "flirting" with satanism in their early years (I mean, look at their Shout at the Devil logo). Does that make them black metal? No, they are glam metal. It's musical style, not lyrical style.

So, how exactly can we understand the genre of a band, or a song? are there really genres, or Metal music is just a mix of different substyles?
#181
Quote by Lead_Guitar89
Let's give you an example. How you would call "Amamos la vida" by Accept?


Sounds like a Glam Metal ballad.

So, how exactly can we understand the genre of a band, or a song? are there really genres, or Metal music is just a mix of different substyles?


By similarities in the Music. If enough bands utilize similar aspects in a consistent manner then you call it genre or sub-genre. This isn't to say that a band can't be unique in a sub-genre of Metal, just that for a band to be in said sub-genre they must exhibit certain characteristics first.
#182
There is an opinion that Manowar and Iron Maiden are Power Metal, but Manowar are also Epic. Accept are Power/Speed Metal. I can understand why. But can you please explain, why Black Sabbath are considered as a Black Metal band?
#184
Quote by Morphogenesis26
Sounds like a Glam Metal ballad.

Do you think so? can you explain please?
#185
Quote by severed-metal
Black Sabbath are considered black metal because they worship satan, idiot.

I am not idiot! Anyway, do Paranoid or Iron Man or War Pigs worship satan?
#188
Quote by severed-metal
Yeah, they all do. Look up the lyrics.

Finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind
People think I'm insane because I am frowning all the time
All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
Think I'll lose my mind if I don't find something to pacify
Can you help me occupy my brain?
Oh yeah
I need someone to show me the things in life that I can't find
I can't see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind
Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry
Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal
And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state
I tell you to enjoy life I wish I could but it's too late

PARANOID: a guy addicted to drugs, or depressed, can't find true happiness in his life...
#189
He's paranoid,so he sells his soul to Satan. "Can you help me occupy my brain" is a direct relation to Satan.

Quote by Kytokinesis
He has an emptiness in his life that only the love of satan can fulfill


Spot on.
#195
He feels enough love for Satan, doesn't he? Why else would Black Sabbath write an album about Satan if they didn't love him.
#198
Quote by severed-metal
Black Sabbath are considered black metal because they worship satan, idiot.

What? Are you trolling?

They do not worship Satan, I have read Tony Iommi book (written by himself). He says he's christian and a satanist wouldn't call himself a christian. Black Sabbath isn't even considered as a black metal band. It's maybe doom metal (the slower songs like Iron Man and Electric Funeral) and classic heavy metal (Paranoid, Children of the Grave), their mid 70s stuff is a bit prog-ish metal. The lyrics tell about dark things but they have nothing to do with satanism. Geezer just was interested in occultism but he really was a christian. I have never heard of black sabbath being black metal.

Actually it was Venom who invented the term in the early 1980s. Their album was called "Black Metal". There was no such thing as black metal in 1970s.

You can always interpret lyrics in different ways (you could make whatever song sound satanic if you wanted). I see the lyrics of Paranoid as some guy (Ozzy) who got paranoid because of drugs.

I feel serious trolling here.
Quote by AlanHB
Just remember that there are no boring scales, just boring players.

Gear

Bach Stradivarius 37G
Charvel So Cal
Fender Dimension Bass
Hartke HyDrive 210c
Ibanez BL70
Laney VC30
Tokai TB48
Yamaha FG720S-12
Yamaha P115
#199
Quote by MaggaraMarine
What? Are you trolling?

They do not worship Satan, I have read Tony Iommi book (written by himself). He says he's christian and a satanist wouldn't call himself a christian. Black Sabbath isn't even considered as a black metal band. It's maybe doom metal (the slower songs like Iron Man and Electric Funeral) and classic heavy metal (Paranoid, Children of the Grave), their mid 70s stuff is a bit prog-ish metal. The lyrics tell about dark things but they have nothing to do with satanism. Geezer just was interested in occultism but he really was a christian. I have never heard of black sabbath being black metal.

Actually it was Venom who invented the term in the early 1980s. Their album was called "Black Metal". There was no such thing as black metal in 1970s.

You can always interpret lyrics in different ways (you could make whatever song sound satanic if you wanted). I see the lyrics of Paranoid as some guy (Ozzy) who got paranoid because of drugs.

I feel serious trolling here.

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