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zucky22389
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You and I have both seen this sort of thread a TON of times but I really need some help here. For reasons in which I don't need to discuss, I'm sick of playing my guitar through Line 6 solid state amps. I've graduated from a puny 15w Spider II to my current 75W Spider IV among others in my 6 years of playing guitar and I've had enough. It's time to move into the realm of real tone. I just stole a like-new Orange PPC212 cab for $400 the other day, now it's time to shop for a head. I've seen the "Noobs: What Amp?" thread sticky and I will discuss all information now:

Budget: It's a little tight but I feel as if I have decent dough to work with. I'm willing to pay about $800 MAX. I really don't want to go over that digit. Just cannot afford it. (I know, getting into Mesa territory)

Genres: Whoa. Uhhhh mostly overdriven stuff I suppose, although I dabble in about everything. That being said, I'd rather have a head that had amazing distortion, and meh cleans over a head with amazing cleans, and terrible distortion. Disturbed, System of a Down, Deftones, come to mind. Much of my originals are Alterbridge-esque with fingerpicked cleans followed by a heavy chorus.

New or Used: Definitely up for either. If I can get a helluva great deal going with used then why not?

Home or Gig: At this moment I will be playing this in my bedroom and to jam with drums. It's an absolute necessity that this amp needs to be able to keep up with a heavy hitting drummer in a 20x20 jam room. The Line 6 could not. This needs to. I've played live but currently don't have any short term plans to. It's a goal of mine to get back out and do some shows though. I would want to use this head for that (and probably my cab too)

Closest City: This sucks. I'm about 1 solid hour away from any music store that would have any decent gear, and about 3 hours away from Chicago.

Current Gear: As stated I have an Orange PPC212 with V30's, an ESP LTD 500 with JB/57's, a G&L strat, and various pedals.

Heads that I've looked at/played: Blackstar HT-20- I was SET on this head without doing much research until my gear-head buddy really warned me about the longevity of Blackstars. He suggested a Mesa Mini Rectifier- theyre quite expensive (even the used ones, wtf).

Krank Rev Jr. - Gain channel sounded nice, but is the clean channel really even usable?

Jet City JCA22H- They're ugly, they're made in China, but the dude I bought the cab from swore by them. Said they truly kick ass for the price.

Peavey 6505+- Don't know much about these but the power and price seem to be right on target for what I want.


Thanks in advance for any help. I'm so grateful for this site and this forum that you could start a flame war about Kesha and I wouldn't even care.
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#2
You should be able to score a mighty fine JSX head for that.
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You can get used Mesa Single recto/dual recto/rectoverb/tremoverb for yor budget. Look at Guitarcenter's used section they have some killer deals. you can get the rectoverb and single recto for $600ish most any day.
There is also the Laney GH50/100 or VH100 are worth a look and the Marshall JCM2000 DSL50/100 are good amps and the JCM 900 SL-X is worth a look.
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Quote by zucky22389
You and I have both seen this sort of thread a TON of times but I really need some help here. For reasons in which I don't need to discuss, I'm sick of playing my guitar through Line 6 solid state amps. I've graduated from a puny 15w Spider II to my current 75W Spider IV among others in my 6 years of playing guitar and I've had enough. It's time to move into the realm of real tone. I just stole a like-new Orange PPC212 cab for $400 the other day, now it's time to shop for a head. I've seen the "Noobs: What Amp?" thread sticky and I will discuss all information now:

Budget: It's a little tight but I feel as if I have decent dough to work with. I'm willing to pay about $800 MAX. I really don't want to go over that digit. Just cannot afford it. (I know, getting into Mesa territory)

Genres: Whoa. Uhhhh mostly overdriven stuff I suppose, although I dabble in about everything. That being said, I'd rather have a head that had amazing distortion, and meh cleans over a head with amazing cleans, and terrible distortion. Disturbed, System of a Down, Deftones, come to mind. Much of my originals are Alterbridge-esque with fingerpicked cleans followed by a heavy chorus.

New or Used: Definitely up for either. If I can get a helluva great deal going with used then why not?

Home or Gig: At this moment I will be playing this in my bedroom and to jam with drums. It's an absolute necessity that this amp needs to be able to keep up with a heavy hitting drummer in a 20x20 jam room. The Line 6 could not. This needs to. I've played live but currently don't have any short term plans to. It's a goal of mine to get back out and do some shows though. I would want to use this head for that (and probably my cab too)

Closest City: This sucks. I'm about 1 solid hour away from any music store that would have any decent gear, and about 3 hours away from Chicago.

Current Gear: As stated I have an Orange PPC212 with V30's, an ESP LTD 500 with JB/57's, a G&L strat, and various pedals.

Heads that I've looked at/played: Blackstar HT-20- I was SET on this head without doing much research until my gear-head buddy really warned me about the longevity of Blackstars. He suggested a Mesa Mini Rectifier- theyre quite expensive (even the used ones, wtf).

Krank Rev Jr. - Gain channel sounded nice, but is the clean channel really even usable?

Jet City JCA22H- They're ugly, they're made in China, but the dude I bought the cab from swore by them. Said they truly kick ass for the price.

Peavey 6505+- Don't know much about these but the power and price seem to be right on target for what I want.


Thanks in advance for any help. I'm so grateful for this site and this forum that you could start a flame war about Kesha and I wouldn't even care.


You can get the biggest jet city heads too for that price. and the 6505 heads start at $500 used. then you got the other peaveys like xxx and jsx. you can probably get a majority of the krank heads for that budget. ive been looking around alot. look into those.
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That cheap, Rob?

Definitely the Mesa then. The discussion now should be "which of these Mesas would suit best?"
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zucky22389
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I did see a Single Rec on GC used for 850. I'd prefer the dual though. Tremonti, I think you're right. I might as well just wait a bit longer, save up a little more, and try for the dual rec. The dual rec was that "halo" amp for me when I started playing guitar.. it'd be amazing to own one.
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@Rob- Before I purchase anything I will definitely look into the JCM 2k. For some unknown reason, I haven't been a huge fan of Marshall (Maybe like a Ford vs. Chevy thing? idk?) but I'll brush that aside and give it a chance. Thanks.
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A single rec would be a nice amp, but if you're going to spend that much money you might as well remove the "I wish I had the dual rec instead" thoughts. I know you said you're in a pretty bad area for music gear, but do some looking around there while keeping an eye out on Guitar Center's used site. You'd be surprised what you'll find. There's a music store about 40 minutes from my house that actually has a dual rec for $800. I might splurge for it if I already had a nice 2x12 like you, but I don't. lol
zucky22389
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Ahh, yeah the Orange was listed on Clist about 40 minutes away from me and I couldn't resist... I guess it wasn't that big of a "steal" at $400 like I made it seem but I'm happy with it!
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That's a pretty good deal on that cab from what I've seen. Seems like my craigslist is littered with 4x12 cabs, but I can never find a 2x12 with a decent speakers at a price I'm willing to go for lol.
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Quote by zucky22389
I did see a Single Rec on GC used for 850. I'd prefer the dual though. Tremonti, I think you're right. I might as well just wait a bit longer, save up a little more, and try for the dual rec. The dual rec was that "halo" amp for me when I started playing guitar.. it'd be amazing to own one.


just a few brief thought's.

single recs and dual rec's are very different. a rectoverb is a single rec with reverb. the tremoverb is a dual rec with tremolo. the dual recs have a few different models. most would tend to lead you to the two channel model or tremoverb.

that is not worth settling for a piece of gear. every time i have saved a few bucks and got the cheaper model i was never happy until i got what i wanted. and in most case scenarios you lose even more money. thats why i will never settle. it only happened once though.

if you are doing the used.guitarcenter site, i would as a TON of questions. i had a problem with them. it was a ibanez prestige which was supposedly a stock and five star. it was supposedly in perfect shape. i had the guy look at fretwear, and details about the bridge and tuners and was told it was "complete and totally functioning. what i got in the mail was a prestige ibanez, with a retrofitted licensed Floyd (probably a $20 one from ebay), in it missing the back plate. that was not as told. so i had the option to replace. i picked up the second guitar today and love it. however i was out some money on shipping for the first one and i had to pay for shipping for the second one. they discounted nothing and its back on the site. be thorough and demanding.

i have bought probably 30+ things across the forums, (of course with some research) and been happy ever time. again person to person, no problem. i am sure some day i will get bit from somebody, but it really bothered me that it was GC. i honestly expected more from them.

tons of people have been happier with GC's used section. i does allow you to swap for like 30 days. basically all you risk is hassle and shipping.

but good luck. scour craigslist and the forums (rig-talk harmony-central the gear page here). i would be surprised if i couldn't find a dual rec for $800. maybe not a two channel, and maybe you would be happier with that. try everything you can though.
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that is not worth settling for a piece of gear. every time i have saved a few bucks and got the cheaper model i was never happy until i got what i wanted.

So damn true. I've been wanting the brutal 5150 sound, but I keep screwing around with other gear and I always end up with buyer's remorse. I return the gear.

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That cheap, Rob?

Definitely the Mesa then. The discussion now should be "which of these Mesas would suit best?"

yeah it really is suprising at what you can get used for ridiculously cheap. I just did a quick serch and the few mesa's that were that cheap are gone, but there are several single and dual rectos for <$900 right now and a stilleto for $799. hell they have a Krank 1980 for $799 and I really want it


TS, I was never a big Marshall fan, but I bought a JCM 2000 DSL100 last aug and I am very suprised at what a good versitile amp it is. If you have never played one you should at least test one out. it has good cleans and really nice gain ch's.
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You can get used Mesa Single recto/dual recto/rectoverb/tremoverb for yor budget. Look at Guitarcenter's used section they have some killer deals. you can get the rectoverb and single recto for $600ish most any day.

WHAT. sweet.

that's the way you should go right there, TS. or a used 5150 III mini.
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ive noticed the jet city 100 watt heads are going for like $350-$600 used man. take a look at those.
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zucky22389
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Thanks for the responses and input.

@Tremonti: yeah 212's are a bit more rare. The day after it was posted, I drove and bought it =D. The next day he posted a 212 rectifier cab for the same price and I'm wondering if I shoulda went Mesa... Hehe, I'm happy with my Orange though. Thing's built like a shit brickhouse and I can't wait to hear it when I actually buy a decent head to power it.

@trashed- Bummer about your Prestige, man. Good thing they accepted it back, though. If I'm spending 700-900 on an amp head it best be exactly as they describe it, damnit! Can they send it directly from the store it's at or will they send it to your closest GC and require a pick-up?

Yeah this time there will be no compromises (Well, a little because of my $$$ range). This very second, the thought of saving a little extra cash and being patient and finding the best Mesa dual rec for the cheapest dollar sounds like the plan. Going off that, are there certain years and models to go for and/or avoid? Some people swear by the early 90's models. Some prefer the newer models because of the improved effects loop, etc.

Thanks guys!
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My recommendations:

EVH 5150 III Mini (the 50w verison is the Mini)
Egnater Vengeance
Peavey 6505+ (or 5150 II, they're the same)
Jet City JCA100HDM
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Orange Dark Terror or Jim Root #4 Model
Mesa Recto of some flavor
Offworld92
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Based on the bands you listed, I very strongly recommend a Mesa Dual Rectifier. If you shop around, you can find used, older 2 channel Dual Rectifiers for $800, which will do the job perfectly.

If you want to stay far under budget, I have been able to get a very good alt metal tone out of my JSX. You won't nail that kind of stuff like you'll be able to with a Rec, but it still sounded pretty good.
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Im gonna back blktiger up and say the egnater vengeance.. use in your price range.. it can dumb down to 60 watts. but is 120 on full when your ready.

its gonna destroy the 6505 and 5150 in the "br00t4lz"
THE CLEANS are un parralelled for the priuce range and most high gain amps period.

versatility is HUUGGEE you can get the heavy stuff as i said but other "radio metal" type stuff is no problem. tremonti.. dial it in on mine alot

reliable. and good to look at.

its beggining to take the place of my 5153 witch was 1700... and i paid 400 for my vengeance used... that should say something.
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baaron snott watt. but its going to start lacking on cleans at higher volumes due to low wattage
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vengeance isn't bad. for $600-$750 used (ebay and used.gc), but if you want the rec, get the rec, the vengeance wont get it.

but they are cheap and sound pretty good. i think the JSX would be fine too, but again, wait for the rec if you want rec sound.

odds are if you buy what you don't want, often you will sell it for what you want, until you get what you want. all of which could be solved by being patient. getting what you want first will save you some money as well.
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#26
Hell I'll sell you my Dual Rec for 850 shipped, assuming you are in the states. It is definitely great for what you are trying to do, It has the huge Tremonti sound to it, obviously not identical since Mark has hella rig, but it gets a big part of it down.
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keep in mind.tremonti does use the rec. thats true.. but he has a TS in front of it.. I think i saw somewhere where he said he uses that 808HW ibanez put out.300 bones on its own

dual recs are kind of flubby in the bass area. and he always cranks his bass to max on his amps. hence needing to tighten it up with a TS type pedal.

Im not against mesa amps in any way. but there are cheaper ways to dial in a tremonti sound than to use the same gear he does.

edit.... he had a klon on stage in alterbridge gear vid :/
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dementiacaptain
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Very true, I kind of assumed TS knew this, but it is important. I use a hardwire OD, I think most any tube screamer would work though. The Rec definitely needs some tightening
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TS808HW is a total load of marketing BS. Any TS over $100 is (and I only say that high, because that's how much the Hardwire CM-2 is). It's like one of the most simple circuits out there, and the cheap $25 TS7? Same exact chip. Almost identical components, and the ones that are different make **** all difference.

Yet people continue to pay $100+ for tubescreamers... That's effective marketing right there.
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Quote by Offworld92
TS808HW is a total load of marketing BS. Any TS over $100 is (and I only say that high, because that's how much the Hardwire CM-2 is). It's like one of the most simple circuits out there, and the cheap $25 TS7? Same exact chip. Almost identical components, and the ones that are different make **** all difference.

Yet people continue to pay $100+ for tubescreamers... That's effective marketing right there.



all I said was thats whats he uses.. never argued weather it was a wise choice for a ts pedal lol.

and there is one ts type pedal worth it. 265.. dead horse overdrive. more clipping options. fat and tight controls.

until you put one in your rig and compare it most wouldnt understand..

also said he had a klon on stage for alter bridge.. most in home guitarists cant afford 800-1k for a pedal lol. all i wanted to point out was that if this chap wants to get a dual rec. he is gonna need to tighten it up especially if he is going to have the bass at 10 as per tremonti specs.

edit.. so why buy a dual rec when some the other mentioned amps *cough* vengeance *cough* 5153mini will be more versatile for less or the same.
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Offworld92
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Haha, that wasn't directed at you, just directed out in the open.

And I'm not saying there's no OD worth the price over $100. That'd be silly and incorrect. I'm talking very specifically about straight up tubescreamer circuits. In a nutshell, the TS808. Very overpriced pedal.

If your OD actually does other stuff, then yeah it should probably cost more.

I've never heard of that pedal before - does it have asymetrical clipping? That's what I love about my SD-1, and barely any ODs have it.
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pm'd you a demo offworld

I suppose we have been hard on the OP though. I think many here are just recoomending on your taste for Tremonti..
you did say you would love a monster gain amp.
again the dual rec fits that catagory. but are lose for technical stuff unless accompanied by proper gear.
the 5153mini is just as much of a monster as its big brother. and bands like as i lay dying and revocation. use them. while the cleans are still bright and extremely usable.

egnater vengeance is much the same as above. but the bottom end is much much more pronounced (as well as controlable) so when you do want tremonti tones you can dial them in alot faster. (note this is one of few heads listed in this thread with reverb)

the jim root #4 head is much the same.. although when i had one i always had the OD on much like a rec. cleans here are... well they have a bit to ask of.

6505+ is a workhorse and a gem in its price but again.. cleans.. forget it.
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#33
If the TS wants the Dual Rec sound, he won't get that from teh Vengeance. However, since Tremonti uses quite a rig, his tone is more than just that. I personally hate the rectifier sound for my uses. I would never buy one. Just that certain, signature "voicing" (for lack of better word) that it has is basically the opposite of anything I ever want in a guitar amp, so I can promise you won't get that out of the Vengeance. If that's the sound you want, then only a Rec will give it to you.

However, as far as high-gain monsters go, the Vengnance is awesome. You can still get a damn-near Tremonti tone, as Bladed-Vaults said. Just as close as any other amp by itself.

Just a thought, but you could try playing the Bogner Pedal of the uberschall through a Dual Rec. I mean, it very well might sound damn near perfect to his tone.
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Again, thanks for the responses! I love this damn forum!

@ Bladed-Vaults- Interestingly enough, I was checking out Egnaters yesterday, especially the Tweaker 40H... Now with my terrible living location, it's quite tough for me to go out and test drive one of these so as a consolation I'm checking out tons of video reviews (which I'm aware will not do amps justice "lost in translation") I'm impressed by the versatility of these Egnaters, but I feel as if the gain channel leaves something to be desired. I have not checked out the Vengeance yet. I will do that! Thanks for the recommendation. I believe someone prior recommended it as well.. So thanks to him, too!

@ dementiacaptain- That is incredibly tempting and I'm drooling over the offer... However with recent car problems and a hefty bill incoming, I probably won't be able to afford it until late next month/March. If you still have it at that time, you may have yourself a deal =D

I did NOT know Tremonti used an 800 dollar pedal to tighten up his Rec! Keep in mind, I consider myself a gear amateur, in the past i've merely waded ankle deep in the solid state waters.. Now i'm diving into the all-tube deep end. I have a ton to learn.

Thanks again for all your help.
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#35
And btw. You said you got a Vengeance used for 400 bones? That sounds like a helluva deal! Nice pickup.
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Quote by zucky22389
Again, thanks for the responses! I love this damn forum!

@ Bladed-Vaults- Interestingly enough, I was checking out Egnaters yesterday, especially the Tweaker 40H... Now with my terrible living location, it's quite tough for me to go out and test drive one of these so as a consolation I'm checking out tons of video reviews (which I'm aware will not do amps justice "lost in translation") I'm impressed by the versatility of these Egnaters, but I feel as if the gain channel leaves something to be desired. I have not checked out the Vengeance yet. I will do that! Thanks for the recommendation. I believe someone prior recommended it as well.. So thanks to him, too!

@ dementiacaptain- That is incredibly tempting and I'm drooling over the offer... However with recent car problems and a hefty bill incoming, I probably won't be able to afford it until late next month/March. If you still have it at that time, you may have yourself a deal =D
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Yeah man, definitely. Even if not, you can get them for that price if you look around hard enough
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#37
The vengance would get really close to the Tremonti tone no worries, and it has the added versatility for when you want to update and tweak your own tone. You will be able to do so more effectively on the Veng than a Dual Rec I think. A dual rec is always gonna sound dual reccy to some degree at least.

In my sub-standard experience, of course. Grains of salt needed
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#38
my vengeance sounds pretty beast. the thing roars on the dirty channel and is has the best clean channel sound ive ever heard from a "metal" amp
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Hey man, I'm sorry I actually sold it last week. I got a killer offer on it I had to take
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