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#41
It'll have it's market, but that market is so small and those are going to be so terribly expensive that I don't see it going anywhere. I certainly won't be buying one, but if they sound good and do what they're supposed to, then it won't stop me from recommending them to other people.

I personally would hope that they make some more changes to the aesthetics before they release that. It could still happen, I mean, the Vengeace had an entirely different look to it at NAMM. It looked exactly like the Armageddon, but said Vengeance. They changed it enirely though (although the new look sucks compared to the old). Even if they kept the stupid look toned down to where you could at least remove all of the parts that look terrible.

I agree that these will likely be short-lived.
#44
Quote by AxSilentxLine
That's much more tolerable

Agreed.

That color scheme could definitely grow on me.

The Schecter logo is definitely bold being that big on it, but it works a lot better than that stupid Hellwin crap
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#45
Hell, that one isn't that bad. That might just be a totally different amp that they're putting out, though. The Hellwin amps might be a different line, or just the flagship of the line or something (let's hope).
#46
The Hellwin is just the Syn sig not the entire Schecter amp line like everyone is making it out to be. The pic posted earlier is what the non sig looks like.
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#47
Quote by Way Cool JR.
The Hellwin is just the Syn sig not the entire Schecter amp line like everyone is making it out to be. The pic posted earlier is what the non sig looks like.

I'd still take them more seriously if they toned down the logo a little
#48
Quote by CECamps
I'm sure they have their target market pinned and have geared the aesthetics and marketing accordingly.


yeah probably

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And I have listened to some bands for 20+yrs and they dont get as old as the A7X albums


yeah ac/dc has quite the varied back catalogue. remember that world music album they did? back in black i think was the title.

seriously, though, yeah most a7x stuff sounds the same. that being said most bands i listen to sound the same. I'm not sure that's a fair criticism... while i'd agree it's playing it safe, i'd rather a band i liked kept making music i liked (admittedly, it's a fine line between keeping the signature sound and cranking out the exact same album 15 times, which i don't want either ) than tried to change or keep up with every new trend and ended up making music i didn't like.

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That's much more tolerable


+1
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#49
The guitarist at my dad's church (he runs soundboard) bought a Schecter, and my dad said something like 'isn't that geared towards heavier music?' The guy's response; 'don't worry, it has coil tapz.'
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#50


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#51
Quote by AxSilentxLine
I'd still take them more seriously if they toned down the logo a little


Really?

I'm unconvinced that visuals in an amp are pertinent, especially those that are easily 'editable'.

Am I the only one here that cares how it sounds and quite honestly could not care less how it looks?

Did I miss the memo where the quest for tone had gotten extended into the visual realm?
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#52
They both look ugly. Maybe I will get a chance to hear it in person. I will,let everyone know.
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#53
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They both look ugly. Maybe I will get a chance to hear it in person. I will,let everyone know.


I'm eagerly awaiting the Youtube vid of you demoing it and saying (While still in the booth amped up) "Meh, it's ok, but it's no ASG Hybris!"

It's a moral imperative!
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#54
Quote by Arby911
Really?

I'm unconvinced that visuals in an amp are pertinent, especially those that are easily 'editable'.

Am I the only one here that cares how it sounds and quite honestly could not care less how it looks?

Did I miss the memo where the quest for tone had gotten extended into the visual realm?


oh i agree

i'm just making the point that the gold one looks kinda lame

especially when something like an amp is so easy to make look at least decent, i mean it's basically just a rectangular box.
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#55
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I'm eagerly awaiting the Youtube vid of you demoing it and saying (While still in the booth amped up) "Meh, it's ok, but it's no ASG Hybris!"

It's a moral imperative!


I will do


I think I am going to practice some Metallica licks to demo at NAMM. Everyone will see my skillz Maybe some stairway to heaven? Eruption?
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#56
Quote by Arby911
Really?

I'm unconvinced that visuals in an amp are pertinent, especially those that are easily 'editable'.

Am I the only one here that cares how it sounds and quite honestly could not care less how it looks?

Did I miss the memo where the quest for tone had gotten extended into the visual realm?

I dunno man, visual aesthetics play a part in almost all purchases... I would think. Why do we care how guitars look? That doesn't affect playability... Hell plenty of guys spend time drooling over pics of guitars on the web, despite not having a clue how well they play.

It's one thing to say 'I won't buy that because it looks like shit' when it's a great amp for you, I understand that's a little crazy... But when designing an amp that doesn't mean you should dismiss aesthetics completely.

Besides, we have literally nothing to go on besides aesthetics at this point... So what else can we discuss?
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#57
^ agreed.

i've discounted things before because i just plain couldn't get past the looks. Granted... if it was the only available product that would do what I wanted I wouldn't have done so, but very few products are *that* unique.

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I think I am going to practice some Metallica licks to demo at NAMM. Everyone will see my skillz Maybe some stairway to heaven? Eruption?


eruption would be awesome
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#58
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I dunno man, visual aesthetics play a part in almost all purchases... I would think. Why do we care how guitars look? That doesn't affect playability... Hell plenty of guys spend time drooling over pics of guitars on the web, despite not having a clue how well they play.

It's one thing to say 'I won't buy that because it looks like shit' when it's a great amp for you, I understand that's a little crazy... But when designing an amp that doesn't mean you should dismiss aesthetics completely.

Besides, we have literally nothing to go on besides aesthetics at this point... So what else can we discuss?


I don't entirely disagree, my response was intended as a rebuttal to a specific post, not a general overview as there is no doubt the points you make are reasonable in consideration.

As an aside however, I pretty much don't care how a guitar looks (or what's imprinted on the headstock) as long as I like how it sounds/feels. (Which is why I keep a veritable 'who's who' of alleged 'don't buy' gear on my profile, I catch more than a few gear snobs out that way...) I can appreciate fine instruments for their visual appeal of course, but I don't buy them based on that.
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#59
^ yeah. and if it's a nice enough instrument, sometimes it can sway you on the looks front, too. I've tried things that i hated the look of, just to see, and ended up really liking the looks.
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#60
Quote by Dave_Mc
^ yeah. and if it's a nice enough instrument, sometimes it can sway you on the looks front, too. I've tried things that i hated the look of, just to see, and ended up really liking the looks.


I had that happen, not with a high-end guitar but with one I had exactly zero interest in owning, an Ibanez Xiphos XPT700.

Picked it up on a lark whilst in GC to see the odd looks from the friend that was with me, and to my EXTREME amazement it fit me like it had been custom built to my exact physical size and specifications...it pretty much fell into place like it had been molded there.

Yeah, it happens.

Don't tell my mama I play a Xiphos, she thinks I'm the bouncer at a *****house and I wouldn't want her to be embarrassed...
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#61
Ya sorry Arby, looking back your post makes a lot more sense in that context.
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#62
All I see is "James Brown", "Synyster Gates", "Hellwin", and "Schecter" repeated over and over.
And the first two paragraphs say pretty much the same thing.


Also, what's this about Syn's "unique" tone?
I always thought his tone sounded like every other metalcore guitarist's tone

I also looks like the bastard child of a JCM, MG, and a transvestite hooker.
And not one of the classy ones either.

Sound wise, it might not sound horrible.
James Brown is the man who spearheaded the 5150, Classic 50, Triple X, and JSX, so it might, and probably won't sound too bad.
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#63
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I don't doubt that these will be Synfully overpriced.

How was this missed??

But I think it need moar pinstripes!!1!!111!
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#64
Quote by Arby911
I had that happen, not with a high-end guitar but with one I had exactly zero interest in owning, an Ibanez Xiphos XPT700.

Picked it up on a lark whilst in GC to see the odd looks from the friend that was with me, and to my EXTREME amazement it fit me like it had been custom built to my exact physical size and specifications...it pretty much fell into place like it had been molded there.

Yeah, it happens.

Don't tell my mama I play a Xiphos, she thinks I'm the bouncer at a *****house and I wouldn't want her to be embarrassed...


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#65
Quote by Arby911
Really?

I'm unconvinced that visuals in an amp are pertinent, especially those that are easily 'editable'.

Am I the only one here that cares how it sounds and quite honestly could not care less how it looks?

Did I miss the memo where the quest for tone had gotten extended into the visual realm?

I for one don't think it's such a big ask to have both? It may sound great, but it's clearly marketed towards 13 year olds. You could slap a Hot Wheels logo on the front and it wouldn't look out of place lol

I know it's about the tone, not the aesthetics, but if you play in a gigging band and your amp is there for the world to see, the looks matter a bit more. I feel if they had toned it down a bit and made it look a little more "professional" they would have a better overall package, depending on how it's priced and specs.
#66
Quote by AxSilentxLine
I for one don't think it's such a big ask to have both? It may sound great, but it's clearly marketed towards 13 year olds. You could slap a Hot Wheels logo on the front and it wouldn't look out of place lol

I know it's about the tone, not the aesthetics, but if you play in a gigging band and your amp is there for the world to see, the looks matter a bit more. I feel if they had toned it down a bit and made it look a little more "professional" they would have a better overall package, depending on how it's priced and specs.


+1

If I can buy an amp that looks great, and has tone that is equal in it's sound to this amp, I'm going to get the one that has both.

However, if I'm set on the tone, but the looks don't impress, that won't stop me from buying it. I personally think the Vengeance loos pretty bland, boring, and has too much black on black on black, but I love the sound, so I bought it. The fix is as easy as a few screws removed and something else put on the front. I also hate the look of the Jet City cab I have, but the price was right and now it's giving me the sound I want, so I use it.

However, seeing as how I have an amp that will likely cover the tones that the Schecter will cover, why would I want another one?

Considering half of a band's judgement is usually on their appearance, I would say the looks of an amp should apply. Why else would people hook up LED's inside their amp heads? BECAUSE OF TEH TOANZ
#67
Quote by Blktiger0
+1

If I can buy an amp that looks great, and has tone that is equal in it's sound to this amp, I'm going to get the one that has both.

However, if I'm set on the tone, but the looks don't impress, that won't stop me from buying it. I personally think the Vengeance loos pretty bland, boring, and has too much black on black on black, but I love the sound, so I bought it. The fix is as easy as a few screws removed and something else put on the front. I also hate the look of the Jet City cab I have, but the price was right and now it's giving me the sound I want, so I use it.

However, seeing as how I have an amp that will likely cover the tones that the Schecter will cover, why would I want another one?

Considering half of a band's judgement is usually on their appearance, I would say the looks of an amp should apply. Why else would people hook up LED's inside their amp heads? BECAUSE OF TEH TOANZ



Yeah man if it has good tones you could forgive the looks, but I have a sneaking suspicion they may pull a Blackstar on us. I bought an Armageddon which looks-wise is like a bastard child of a Diezel Herbert and a Soldano Avenger and is a really accquired taste, but I bought it for the tone not the looks. Schecter could turn around and surprise us all, but as tubetime86 said, all we have to go off right now is looks, and they aren't winning any beauty contests. They might turn out to be great, but to me they look cheap and tacky, and many people will judge them off that.

$0.02
#68
Quote by AxSilentxLine
Yeah man if it has good tones you could forgive the looks, but I have a sneaking suspicion they may pull a Blackstar on us. I bought an Armageddon which looks-wise is like a bastard child of a Diezel Herbert and a Soldano Avenger and is a really accquired taste, but I bought it for the tone not the looks. Schecter could turn around and surprise us all, but as tubetime86 said, all we have to go off right now is looks, and they aren't winning any beauty contests. They might turn out to be great, but to me they look cheap and tacky, and many people will judge them off that.

$0.02


+1 again. to all of it.
#69
What I don't get is why are they making an expensive tube and marketing it at 13 yr olds?
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#70
13 year olds who presumably have rich parents, I suppose. I know that my boy that I used to chill with back in middle school was rich as shit and had all the synester gear, straps, guitar, all that stuff. I guess A7X fans are rich?
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#71
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13 year olds who presumably have rich parents, I suppose. I know that my boy that I used to chill with back in middle school was rich as shit and had all the synester gear, straps, guitar, all that stuff. I guess A7X fans are rich?

Not up here, for the most part up here its wannabes who think a low end ibanez and an MG stack is a totally BR00TZ rig. Everyone starts out somewhere but if you do absolutely nothing, practice a total of an hour a week, and then insist on playing at parties and things where it's not really befit, that's not being a beginner, that's being a wannabe.

On the topic, hellwin sounds like something a 1st grader would come up with if they weren't afraid to say hell, the hellraiser isn't bad looking and I don't have the logo, but I don't really like the appearance of either.

Personally though if I think an amp is ugly but the toan is good, I'll redo the aesthetics more to my personal taste.
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#72
It's a shame these amps are so hidous. On paper, the Syn sig actually sounds really great. We'll hear it soon enough.


Kind of surprised at the Syn distaste. Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of M Shadows, but Syn strikes me as having a good style, and a good tone as well. Maybe a little bright, but still... I mean, to me, Syn's tone was one of the first that actually stuck me as unique. I definitely would not lump him in as sounding like every other metalcore guitarist, and I wouldn't even call A7X metalcore in the first place. Musically they're much more hard rock or classic metal.

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#74
I have a clip of the guy from Prong playing it. It wasn't bad but it wasn't for me. Almost sounded to British.

Still fugly. Needs a paper bag placed over it.
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#75
I dont know what it is about amps having both british and american voicings but that seems to be the thing a lot of new amps are doing.
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#77
Quote by JAHellraiser
I dont know what it is about amps having both british and american voicings but that seems to be the thing a lot of new amps are doing.


yeah they put a knob that's basically a tone control (more or less) on the amp and say it switches it from british to american voicing and everyone believes it. marketing for the effing lose.
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#78
I don't think they gave it enough bass.


For that price I'll just take a 5150 III, please and thank you.
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#79
Quote by Offworld92
I don't think they gave it enough bass.


For that price I'll just take a 5150 III, please and thank you.


I don't care what the price on this amp is. Not for me.


The Randall thrasher ate it alive. I saw some guys ripping on it through a seven string and it chugged like a mother ****er. High gain taken to the extreme.

Hopefully I can get some video of the Hybris in action through the hands of a better player than myself.
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#80
Is that a new amp? I have never followed Randall. But if they have a chug chug monster, I'm interested.

I'm waiting for something new to topple the 6505. Something has to be able to.
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